Could you clarify what you mean by this just so I’m sure we’re on the same page?
I believe you may be referring to my reference of this support article
Not “my recommendation”
why are the current results posted on EOG from multiple people not good enough for you?
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agreed. but i want to continually break past my plateaus and continually find myself 2x or 3x better than I was in the recent past. That’s why my name is ouroboros. “Constant Rebirth.”
I think if you stop running a sub, you’ll maintain 80% of those results, but they’ll become susceptible to atrophy as a result of negative societal conditioning… the same conditioning that brought you to the level of pre-subliminal mindset in the first place.
I like to think of subliminals as protective against societal conditioning, as well as conducive towards the conditioning you’d rather have.
If you were to stop listening to a subliminal, the conditioning you received would stay, but the scales would start to tip back towards societal conditioning which you are (over)exposed to as a member of planet earth, therefore, you would slowly change over time back to a version of you slightly more like the old one than the new one.
You = Subliminal Scripting + Societal Scripting + True Self
True self will always be there, but I’d rather have as much subliminal scripting and as little societal scripting influencing my true self as possible.
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Sure, I was referring to your first paragraph on your review about Genesis
Thoughts on Genesis overall
The one thing about Genesis is that running SOLO Genesis was very bad for my work flow and productivity. I was not selling as well as I was used to, nor working as hard as I was used to.
This wasn’t because Genesis was bad, it was just because HOM was amazing and I stopped running hom.
Simple solution is to run your favorite sub PLUS genesis, however, I wanted to test out the hypothesis that Genesis might help you “maintain the results of other subliminals” which I found to be not true.
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AH, my lack of results in sales with genesis.
A few factors.
- i drastically reduced my wealth subliminal input by switching from HOM to genesis
- i drastically reduced my conscious wealth effort by going on vacation
- Genesis was hitting me with some healing that I didn’t even really feel fully until a week into the washout… so, there was some healing-induced short-term effects as well.
If I had added/maintained HOM, my results would probably have been better, but that was an observation in hindsight, not necessarily my recommendation.
My recommendation, I guess, is that if a subliminal is working, DONT STOP RUNNING IT… I really need to learn that lesson for myself lol
Same applies to stacks, because this whole logic of “now that I feel amazing on my stack, I’m going to change my stack, and then I’ll feel perfect!!!” is absolutely wrong. Guys all the time go from amazing stacks to terrible stacks thinking their new stack will be perfect. Guys running Wanted are getting obsessed with fitness and MAJOR results in fitness, so they ruin everything by switching it up to EMP FIT.
Wealth guys like myself are finally feeling social because their long-standing history of not feeling like they (not feeling like I) had the money to be/do everything they (I) wanted is finally diminishing, THANKS to the wealth subs, but then instead of sticking to the wealth subs that are giving me that comfort in the first place, I switch subs to genesis.
Things like that
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That’s what I think too, due to its characteristics in my opinion it is perfect to combine with any sub; in fact i was thinking of combining it in september with khan, or at least it seems genesis is leading me down that path
I would add on to that recommendation to start with 1 loop per week of Genesis to see how the processing, and the execution, but most importantly the BLOOM effects you, because this bloom is unlike any other ZP product i’ve ever run
I agree @Jouissance , and I believe this to be the case as the area becomes less of a “pain” point and we perhaps we start shining our attention on other areas.
For me its tricky, because my areas of scope are multifaceted. I LOVE wanted and Khan for masculinity and aeshetic, but I really need money right now and my health is shaky, so I switched and its paid off. But I do want to revisit both of them.
Im thinking making a custom I could combine both Wanted and Khan cores into 1. What are your thoughts on that?
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@Skadoosh results and @friday results stacking Khan ST4 + Wanted have led me to the strong conclusion that Khan + Wanted is the single greatest stack in all of subclub history.
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I haven’t seen any
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I think if you had a 2 cycle stack, you could accomplish everything relating to health/wealth/masculinity/aesthetic.
Cycle 1: Wanted + Khan
Cycle 2: Wealth + Khan
Run Khan every cycle, because it’s a multi-stager that needs SO much work, and you’ll be switching stages regularly,
But then alternate out between Wanted and a more wealth focused title… Mogul/AM/Emp, whatever meets your fancy.
Emperor would hit wealth/health well but might mess with the archetype.
Ascended Mogul would probably be best.
And of course Khan has wealth too.
And Emperor does have good physical shifting - significant, but not like Wanted levels…
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@Jouissance this is a fantastic idea thank you.
By cycle do you mean every 21 days swap to the other one?
what if I were to run two customs together in one stack along with a third major sub.
For example
Custom 1 - wanted - khan custom
Custom 2 - LotS - Sanguine custom
Sub 3 - EoG stage 1
Curious about your thoughts to that
Wanted + LoTS is probably overkill, so, no need to have both in a stack at the same time.
Wanted kind of has a bit of a reputation for being “lazy” and somewhat diminishing maximum productivity, so it may be better to keep it out of a custom and listen to the standard program so that you can still listen to your non-wanted custom when you want all of the other goodness in the custom, but also need high productivity
Then the other option would be, well, what about Khan + EOG in a custom… but that’s two multi-stagers, so i wouldn’t do that.
Then the other other option would be, well, what about EOG1+Wanted… which runs in to the same problems relating to productivity.
So really, Khan shouldn’t be in a custom because you’ll need to transition through all four stages, wanted shouldn’t be in a custom because of productivity, LoTs shouldn’t be stacked with Wanted, EOG shouldn’t be in a custom because you’ll need to transition through multiple stages,
And sanguine doesn’t take a spot in your stack, so you can consider yourself allowed to have a 4-title stack so long as one of those titles is sanguine.
Sanguine elixir does take a spot in the stack tho, just to be clear.
Also, I would probably avoid running EOG + Khan, two multi stagers, together at all.
The PERFECT solution to this would be if Emperor had good enough effects on your feelings of masculinity that it would justify replacing Wanted out with Emperor.
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I would do something like this.
I would run a cycle like Wanted, Khan, and Mogul to kick off all three areas of life. Run a few cycles of Khan ST1, then jump right to ST4.
After you’ve done at least 2 cycles of Khan ST1 + Wanted + Mogul & 2 cycles of KhanST4 + Wanted + Mogul, as major titles, THEN add ST4 and Wanted into a custom together. you’ll just overload if you do it too early.
Then your end-game stack can be
- Khan wanted custom
- EOG1
- Third Sub
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Thank you for the mentoring advise @Jouissance . I like the way you break it down so detailed. It resonates with me.
I am also in sales, and suffer from ADHD like yourself so I can relate there.
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This is crazy that you posted this - just ten minutes ago I started introspecting on my own experience… Genesis was great for me socially but midcycle wasn’t great for my work ethic
But now that I’m off Genesis, and running my new HOM/PCC custom, adding in Plateau Transcendent which is a beauty of a module, I’m also crushing it in sales. Like… crushing it. I broke my monthly record today and we’re only 10 days into the month, and I have 4x more cash collected than the #2 closer on the team this month.
I was also wondering same as you…. Genesis bloom?
It certainly is the subliminal that gave me the MOST transformation ever on my washout… t got MORE intense with each washout day, not less intense. The bloom may be very strong.
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Very nice, do you attribute this more to Ascension or Genesis or really a synergy?
This is fascinating, trying to ascertain if this is indeed Genesis bloom and genesis could be a key sales addition.
I found the strong Alpha subs to be a mixed bag with sales
with my minor tests
Emperor- total bust for the most part
Even RICH makes me to intense and Alpha
Emperor Black- overall freaking awesome- for drive and all, really helped reset me. I would run this every 6 weeks for 3 weeks for sure.
Khan Stage 4 - had my best sales day a couple days after running this but never attributed the connection. Was super chill and leading on it.
Chosen- hit or miss- too pushy for some - but really leading and positive for others.
Very curious to see how Wanted Black would effect sales. My clients are mostly woman -so could be tricky.
The one time I ran Genesis- I felt great on calls, but not much happened.
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