How do you define 'ONE CYCLE' of sub?

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#1

Hello.
So the listening schedule of subs can differ by the number of subs you are currently running.

for instance,
if you are running just one sub, it will be played the sub 22 times in 21 days before the wash-out.
(two loops in every other day)

but if you are running two subs, each sub will be played 11 times.
three subs, it will be six times for two subs, and five times for one sub.

so the number of subs and the number of loops has inverse proportion.
I know for ZP products, less is more. But how do you measure the effectiveness?
I know itā€™s all subjective area, but itā€™s not like just playing only one loop of a sub will have profound and permanant change to a person. You NEED TO listen to subs for at least for some period of time in order to get full effects from it.

Because of this, for using multi-staged titles, it makes me wonder if I should measure the minimum(recommended) period time for each stage based on the number of loops that was played (22 loops in total for each stage) OR the period of time that i played each stage (for 21 days as a cycle, regardless of the number of loops that were played).

Lets say if I run three subs at the same time now, and one of them is multi-staged.
should I just play each stage until the number of loops hits at least 22 times (the number if i solely play it for one full cycle), OR I just move onto the next stage every month?

Can you guys share some insight on this?

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#2

you have just opened a new vision on the amount of loops. Usually for me one cycle is 21 days of active listening regardless how many loops I did. But now Iā€™m going to consider listening 22 loops of a stage until I move on to the next stage.
But I have discovered that ā€œless is moreā€ principle doesnā€™t work that effective for me. Though I might get recon, so it makes me think I am not getting results, who knows.

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#3

All time frames are arbitrary, no matter if they are recommended or not. Your real growth should be the ultimate measure here. The whole idea of 21 day cycles serves to help out people who arenā€™t proficient in Mental Alchemy to give them a general take on it. Therefore, donā€™t get stressed about that too much and make some small adjustments to the recommended pattern at first in order to find what works for you best.

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#4

I started wondering about this since I started using subs, and it intensified by the multiple posts & replies from users state that itā€™s better to stick with fewer subs for long period of time to get stronger effects, especially if you are a newbie who just started using sub for the first time. which increases both the number of loops and the amount of time together.
so that can conclude MORE EXPOSURE FOR LONGER PERIOD OF TIME = MORE EFFECTS.
unless you hit stonewalling or recon, seems like the more the merrier. and I think ā€˜the less is moreā€™ principle is a recommended approach because A:ZP products works in a way that makes your subconscious mind react to your free will, itā€™s COMMUNICATION and not one-way street that you have to DRILLING DOWN messages into your subcounscious, B:using sub in order to minimize recon is better than experiencing it in a long run and itā€™s actually faster way.
this is my tentative theory but also a question :thinking:

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#5

Mental Alchemy is not plain mathematics. It involves many more factors than the amount of exposure and time. Your current development level, circumstances, and goals are equally important. Of course, there are more. You need to learn all those factors and how to gauge your growth via introspection and observation. Journaling helps here a lot. Till you get proficient, donā€™t go far beyond the recommended pattern is my advice.

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#6

@Voytek Thank you for your insight. did you happen to find your own way to use subs or you still stick to the standard way? I agree with your opinion on it involves many aspects and they should be all considered, but how did you find your ā€˜pointā€™ of deciding ā€˜itā€™s enough nowā€™, or trying something on your own?
is it solely subjective feeling from personal satisfaction?

#7

Itā€™s about learning certain alchemical skills, and then itā€™s just intuitive so to speak (subconscious competence). I switched to experimenting and learning my alchemical approach only a couple of months ago, and solely out of the curiosity. Yet I had had a lot of knowledge and experience when I decided to do so.

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#8

You kept referring ā€˜alchemyā€™ as a way of affecting your subconscious mind, not just using subs, I think.
do you mind sharing your wisdom and knowledge about mental alchemy? and how I can learn it too?

#9

Part of this is how you are going to measure success. For example, if you get Heartsong, what do you want and how will you know if you get it?

If with Heartsong, you think ā€œI want to go out with those who are more compatible with meā€, then how will you know if someone is compatible? How will you define and measure ā€œcompatibleā€? Is it because they laugh at your jokes? Is it because they can finish your sentences?

Yes. Some people can listen once per week and they notice changes. Others might listen 2 or 3 times per week.

One thing people are doing that seems to work with multi-stages is to listen to each stage for about 3 months.

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#10

under what kind of circumstances did this work for other people?
again, i agree everyone differs. but there could be a generic recommendation standard for everyone, like there is an official manual for how to use ZP subs exists (run not more than three subs at the same time, do not run multiple multi-staged titles at the same time, run subs in every other day, etc etc)
when you say running each stage for three months, does it mean ONLY that sub for three months? or when it comes to run it with other subs

#11

I 100% agree with this. I know everyone is different and all that so for some this might differ, but for me, i notice the first month on a sub the results are very surface level. Like rn im on one month of LE, and while i am decently productive, i still kinda have to force it and it doesnt feel very natural. Im almost certain that if i stopped this sub rn the effects would almost entirely fade. Its mostly just giving a bit of initial effects and its priming me to really change into a more productive person by slowly but surely changing my entire mindset around productivity.

Now compared to a sub like ascension wich ive used for 3 months. On this sub after 3 months it felt completely natural and without noticing i suddenly realised that i had started embodying most the objectives without even noticing that much changed. And these effects have stayed despite the fact that its been a year at this point.

For me at least, a month really isnt enough for a sub to truly dig deep into my subconscious. And for me 3 months is the minimum neccessairy for a sub im really serious about.

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#12

I could write a book about it lol

SC will be publishing their Masterclass soon, and Iā€™m sure that all of us will benefit from it greatly.

Experimentation, introspection, observation, and journaling are the very heart of this art.

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#13

This is the answer to your question friend.

As to your stated question, there is no easy answer and their really is no answer at all. The listening guidelines are based off of extensive testing and represent what would work for most people. For most subliminals, you want to spend 6 months to a year to really see profound change. But, you might be over thinking this. Spend less time worrying about the math of this, and more time running programs and getting results.

If you want a very general answer, then here:

Run multi stage programs alone. Run 2 cycles each stage at minimum until you complete the program, then go through the WHOLE program again with one cycle per stage.

Run each single program for at least 2-3 cycles. Add 2-3 cycles for each additional title.

So a stack of 3 titles = 9 cycles.

This should work and generate profound change in the average listener, provided they journal and take action.

This is also approximately in line with my own journey: 3 cycles per title for profound change, adding 3 cycles for each additional title.

Cheers.

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#14

One last thing. One loop of the right title at the right time absolutely CAN cause profound permanent change. My life is forever changed by one loop of a title on a whim.

This is not common, but it CAN happen. How? No clue, only ideas that are likely to miss the bigger picture.

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#15

One loop refers to repetition on a title/stage. One cycle is for the whole stage. I never put much attention on how many times I did it but equally conscious on things I expect to happen. Sometimes I cut short the listening time. I make sure that I am relax, listen, pauseā€¦ then when I get something good I appreciate that, even on small things. I focus only on what I wanted to happen. On a multi-staged titles, the change in shift of your life will tell you to go into another stage, the preparation stage is important too.

On Khan multi-stage, I listen only on Wednesday. One loop or less is enough. I think if this is the first time (first cycle) go with the first stage for 21 days with rest day - weekends is off. For a Khan how can you meet women if your not ready for the encounter? I donā€™t think it is about the longer listening time, more loops makes the spinning with no results.

I take time on listening every title like drinking a cold water on hot day, making sure Iā€™m enjoying it.

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#16

Youā€™d have to check the journals or tag the people who ran them to discover their circumstances.

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#17

@COWolfe runs cores of multi-stagers in.his customs 3 months each.

@COWolfe, how does it work for you?

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#18

Each cycle for me is four weeks. Three on and one off.
Im actually doing four cycles each with my current program.
Itā€™s been working very well, though the jury is still out on Khan.

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#20

Good Question!
I never found answer of this question whether to decide number of loops OR number of days.
Iā€™m not a newbie to subliminals. So, I decided on my own to experiment myself with three multi-staged subs as my goals are comprehensive and only major titles can cover them.
For three subs, rather to go with two subs for six times and with one sub for five times, I decided to go for the same number of loops for each month. Then took a break for six days and started the same cycle again. In three months time, I ran each sub with total of 18 loops in 3 months time.

Now Iā€™m on stage 2 of multi-stages and feel like Iā€™m getting result. First stage of each sub was very hard. There were lot of recon with mood swings, anxiety, anger especially in first 2.5 months. Although there has been many positive effects during first stage and this boosted me that subs has started working in first stage. In total breakdown, it is common to have a few days with anxiety and depression.

However, Iā€™m feeling far more better with stage 2 and building a new block inside me. My mind is more sharper than before. I jumped to start learning new skills which have been challenging for me for long time. I feel more energetic physically and pursue my targets.

I plan to run all 4 stages with 3 cycle which will take one year to complete but it will be worth.

It varies to each individual when running subs either multi-staged or single.

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#21

Itā€™s number of days.

Playing more loops in a shorter period of time wonā€™t force your system to develop faster. And if you do too many, it will just create a processing traffic jam that actually slows you down somewhat.

The healthy gestation period for a human baby is 40 weeks. If the baby has better nutrition during that time, then the baby will develop more healthily. Poorer nutrition then it will be less healthy. But the proper time frame of 40 weeks remains the same.

Messing around with the number of subliminal loops is like adjusting the nourishment. It can affect the quality of your development, but it does not affect the overall time frame.

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