My bad, I keep thinking you’re a trade guy.
I’m inclined to agree. I lean on the side of tight, focused scripts. Glad to see more specialized products like zone and such. Might submit a roadmap proposal for “Money Bags,” pure money manifestation.
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Haha no worries.
Exactly. I mean the whole point of RICH was that money bags pure money manifestation but then it got turned to a foundation wealth sub anyone can use much to my disappointment.
On the opposite, OG RICH was not great as a foundation sub but if you’re in a job or a business with no wealth limit then the money manifestations are the best SC has ever created. I stand by that.
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if I remember correctly, you recently posted the results on New RICH saying that it’s much better than the old one and you had complaints only in the beginning, and that it helped you to achieve some cool stuff in your career
and then you deleted them
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Not exactly yes I’ve gotten great results on New RICH and I got new results business wise that I didn’t on OG RICH but it’s far from what I ever had on OG RICH for now in terms of income/wealth. I wouldn’t say it’s much better than OG RICH, I did say it’s has some months where it’s coming close to OG but then it dips and it’s not as consistent as OG RICH.
Is New RICH a great sub I’ve gotten great results on? Yes. Do I believe it’s a upgrade in terms of wealth manifestation results? Definitely not and is kind of downgrade (in my experience.)
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understood
I never ran the OG RICH, so I can’t comment on what it was supposed to do. But this New RICH is doing exactly what I expected EOG1 to do, and actually a little more.
I also ran EOG1 + RoW for close to a year, so New RICH is probably building on top of that foundation.
As far as manifestations go, the jury is still out. But I also have to acknowledge that I’m still building the actual pathways for wealth to come into my life. I’m not someone who believes that, in business, money simply manifests out of nowhere. There has to be a mathematical pathway for the money to reach you. That’s the part I’m still building.
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damn, share results!!!
insane patience, especially with such stack
Exactly the experience I’ve had so far. It’s more of a EoG ST1 type sub with many a bit of RICH type experience.
I believe there is but more so in terms of you have xyz pathway, opportunities manifest out of nowhere, you take action on them and then results equals manifestation of money. That’s how OG RICH worked for me.
@anon15812918 : First of all, one thing you need to know about me is that I tend to run my subs for a long time, multiple months at least. Running one for a year is pretty common for me.
The sub that made the biggest difference in my life so far was Emperor (early versions), which I ran for about two years. It took me from being deeply depressed, with a very gloomy outlook and some extremely dark thoughts, to someone with a mostly positive outlook on life. I knew that kind of change would take time, and that experience taught me to stick with my subs for months.
As far as EOG1 + RoW, what happened was almost a total annihilation of my wealth limits, negative thoughts about money, and unconscious poverty habits.
Am I as wealthy as I want to be? No. Am I as wealthy as I could be? No. But do I now have a clear picture of how I want to make money, what I’m going to do, and how money will come into my life? Yes.
Money-wise, I’m a completely different person from who I was before that stack.
If you ask me today how I’m going to become a millionaire, I can pull out a piece of paper and map the path I believe can take me from where I am now to nine or ten figures in the next few years. AI is a big part of that. This is no longer a wish. It’s a definite plan I’m actively working on, and it gets clearer by the day. The Stabilizer has played a role in that too.
So in a nutshell, EOG1 + RoW took me from not having enough money, leaking money, and carrying a ton of unconscious poverty habits, to uncovering those habits and eradicating most of them.
Now New RICH feels like it’s safeguarding that progress while building a wealthy personality with a definite plan of action behind it.
@Plutus, I also have to say that some opportunities have come my way. Not money, but opportunities that weren’t there before I started New RICH, and they fit strangely well into my larger plan.
One of them materialized yesterday. Again, not the money itself, but the opportunity. If I build it correctly, it could make a major difference financially.
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I agree that New RICH helped stabilize Crown and Capital for me, and the combination seems to perform well, but when it comes to direct manifestations showing up as many high-quality leads that close big, or other random but beneficial opportunities, and actually money I give the edge to OG RICH.
I would love to see a new or stage two for R.I.C.H that’s just manifestation-based for the peeps who have the grounding and have the pathways.
When I stacked the two I had insane results in terms of the biggest sales performances ever-but it was too much space in the stack. Maybe I’ll try that again.
I have found that new RICH created a sense of humility and stopped me from using money to feel superior. But that is also a double-edged sword, since feeling like something special and unique, and even better because of my capacity with wealth, can give ground and confidence to pivot endeavors.
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Oh I forgot. There is something that I have to give the New RICH credit for. I had an idea for an AI startup. I needed to validate that idea. That was early this year, in spring probably. I went from a simple good idea to meeting and having very productive conversations with a person I believe could be the perfect co-founder. Literally the only person I reached out to.
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That’s what I noticed too but okay I will stop being mean about New RICH. It’s a great sub just in my own personal experience is not what I wanted for RICH but hey that’s just me.
I never ran OG RICH, so I have nothing to compare the new RICH to. 
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Yep exact same experience. Would be nice if I could make a OG Rich QTKS custom right now hehe.
PLEASE!!! That would be a dream come true. I think New RICH would be great as two stager.
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We’re not doing that any time soon. There is an entire stage of True Sell devoted to just manifesting leads. I appreciate our sales professionals here, but it seems like you all go from wealth title to wealth title expecting it to function for just sales.
That’s why we made True Sell Stage 2.
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LOL!!! @SaintSovereign is like: "I’m not letting this conversation go off the rails! I’m stepping in expeditiously and I’m keeping this sh*t under control ".
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@SaintSovereign I’m still really confused on how True Sell ST2 would manifest leads as the sales reps touch the pipeline and do the outreach, etc. I touch zero of them and only go on calls already booked and close the deal from that so in that case how does ST2 manifest leads for me? I’m hesitant to try it as I do/do not even need to do any prospecting in my main work so basically that scripting because useless.
From a non-technical/philosophical/hype standpoint how does ST2 manifest leads if we don’t need and aren’t even supposed to do prospects and leads come from sales reps or from ads which I don’t touch. How does ST2 manifest that?
OG Rich had that magic of manifesting leads that close super fast and big leads that bought a few months later but at a high price tag. I literally increase my income by 30% from purely commissions with OG RICH. I never even came close to it on New RICH or True Sell sadly. That’s the type of things I want from True Sell. My business partner has ran ST2 since it’s release and there’s been ZERO improvements in terms of high quality leads or leads at all even with quite a expensive good ad campaign so I’m sorry to be a bit negative on this but so far I’ve seen zero positive results from someone either running ST2 or from the business standpoint seeing results on it.
I would really love to be wrong and see that magic I had last year happened again and if ST2 does that I will test it out right away if you give that understanding and details.
Like all of this is basically useless scripting to me that I’d never use or would be touching in my main work and that’s like 80% of the title. I’m not the one generating leads marketing, my sales reps and the ads are:
Sovereign Presence: Fullness First
Cold prospecting becomes difficult to sustain when every response feels personal. Unanswered messages, dismissive calls, and rejection start consuming the energy you need to make the next attempt, which causes activity to fall exactly when the pipeline needs more of it. Sovereign Presence: Fullness First develops the ability to make outreach without allowing the response to determine your confidence or momentum. That lowers the emotional cost of prospecting so you can sustain greater volume, maintain better call quality, and keep building pipeline through periods when the market is giving you very little encouragement.
Opportunity Sight
A significant amount of potential business never enters a pipeline because the seller fails to recognize it as business in the first place. Prospects mention frustrations, upcoming changes, unmet needs, and introductions in ordinary conversation, and those signals disappear unless someone knows how to hear them and act. Opportunity Sight develops both skills: recognizing a commercially relevant opening and making a concrete move while the context is still fresh. That allows you to create more qualified opportunities from conversations and relationships already passing through your life, increasing pipeline without requiring every lead to come from formal prospecting.
The Patient Play
Not every qualified prospect is ready to buy when you want them to be. Sellers often damage good future business by increasing pressure simply because their own quarter is ending, even when the buyer’s budget, priorities, or timing have not changed. The Patient Play develops the ability to remain useful and present through the prospect’s real buying cycle without disappearing or trying to manufacture urgency that does not exist. The payoff is a healthier long-term pipeline in which more relationships survive until the moment they can actually convert.
The Full Pipeline
A thin pipeline makes every deal feel more important, and that pressure changes seller behavior. You chase harder, tolerate weak-fit opportunities longer, negotiate more defensively, and become increasingly reluctant to lose anything because there is too little behind it. The Full Pipeline develops the ability to see the size of the market beyond the handful of prospects currently in front of you, while continuing to give each real opportunity proper attention. That broader perspective supports stronger qualification, steadier negotiation, and the willingness to walk away from bad business because no single prospect has to carry the weight of your entire number.
First Contact
Cold outreach has very little time to earn another person’s attention. Messages lose responses when they are padded with unnecessary context, vague about why they were sent, or so generic that the recipient can immediately tell the same template went to hundreds of people. First Contact develops a shorter, clearer approach built around one actual person, one relevant reason for reaching out, and one understandable next step. Better first messages create more replies from the same prospecting activity, which means more conversations can enter the top of the pipeline without simply increasing outbound volume.
The Hunter’s Ease
Prospecting volume has limited value if the quality of your communication collapses halfway through the session. As sellers become tense or fatigued, their pace changes, their listening deteriorates, and the tenth conversation of the morning often receives a visibly weaker version of them than the first. The Hunter’s Ease develops a more sustainable way of carrying high-volume outreach so your tone, attention, and conversational quality remain consistent as the repetitions accumulate. That makes greater prospecting volume economically useful rather than merely impressive on an activity report.
Clean Influence
Trust affects the speed of a sales cycle. When prospects sense manufactured urgency, exaggerated claims, or information being strategically withheld, they protect themselves by slowing the process, checking what you have said, involving more people, and becoming more cautious about committing. Clean Influence develops the habit of making precise, defensible claims and being straightforward about price, timing, limitations, and what the offer can genuinely do. The easier your statements are to trust, the less friction the buyer needs to introduce around them, helping good opportunities move forward with fewer unnecessary delays.
The Instant Bond
Discovery becomes more useful when a prospect decides early that they can speak to you plainly. Without that trust, sellers often spend several meetings working from polite answers while the real budget, priorities, doubts, and internal dynamics remain hidden. The Instant Bond develops the ability to establish genuine rapport quickly through full attention, real curiosity, and conversation that does not feel like a prelude to a script. When people tell you the truth sooner, you can qualify faster, diagnose more accurately, and avoid wasting weeks pursuing an opportunity built on incomplete information.
A large pipeline is not automatically a valuable pipeline. Sellers lose enormous amounts of time pursuing people who lack a real need, the ability to buy, or any realistic path to a decision, often because removing an opportunity from the pipeline feels like losing progress. The Qualifier’s Eye develops faster, more honest judgment about which conversations can genuinely become business and which should be released early. That concentrates your hours on opportunities with a credible path to revenue, improving the productivity of the pipeline rather than merely its size.
The Follow-Up Thread
Many deals disappear between meetings rather than during them. Sellers either follow up too aggressively because they are anxious about losing momentum, or wait too long because they are afraid of becoming annoying, and both approaches allow good opportunities to deteriorate. The Follow-Up Thread develops a consistent rhythm of light, useful contact in which every touch has a reason to exist and the next interaction is scheduled rather than left to memory. That keeps more viable prospects engaged through longer sales cycles and reduces the amount of pipeline lost simply because communication became irregular.
Pipeline Stewardship
Revenue can disappear for reasons that have nothing to do with selling ability. A promising conversation is forgotten, the agreed follow-up date passes unnoticed, or an opportunity sits untouched because nobody recorded what was supposed to happen next. Pipeline Stewardship develops the discipline of logging every active conversation and attaching a specific, dated next move to it. That turns the pipeline from something you are trying to remember into something you can manage, reducing preventable revenue leakage and building the operating discipline required to handle a larger book of business.
The Long Cultivation
Some of the most valuable relationships in a sales career take far longer to mature than a quarterly target allows. They may begin with no immediate opportunity, develop through repeated contact and useful contribution, and produce significant business only after months or years. The Long Cultivation develops the discipline to maintain those relationships without constantly measuring them against near-term revenue. Over time, that creates a second layer beneath your active pipeline: future clients, referral sources, repeat buyers, and professional relationships capable of producing opportunities long after the original contact.
The Referral Loop
A satisfied customer is one of the strongest sources of new business available to you, but referrals are often left entirely to chance. Sellers finish a successful engagement, receive positive feedback, and then postpone the referral ask until the moment of goodwill has passed. The Referral Loop develops the habit of asking directly when a strong outcome is still current and the value you created is easy for the buyer to remember. That converts completed work into new qualified introductions, allowing past sales activity to help generate future pipeline.
Sovereign Outreach
Response rates should inform your prospecting strategy without determining whether you continue prospecting. When silence starts affecting confidence, sellers reduce volume, rewrite good messages unnecessarily, or stop reaching out during exactly the slow periods when more activity is required. Sovereign Outreach develops the ability to send complete, thoughtful outreach and treat the response as market information rather than a judgment on the effort or the person making it. That protects prospecting consistency and keeps the pipeline-building machine operating when short-term feedback would otherwise cause it to stall.
The Timing Instinct
Consistent follow-up matters, but a reminder on your calendar does not mean a buyer is ready to move. Sellers often push an opportunity because their process says it is time rather than because the prospect is showing signs of readiness, and unnecessary pressure can damage a deal that was progressing perfectly well at its own pace. The Timing Instinct develops sensitivity to changes in questions, participation, tone, urgency, and behavior that indicate a conversation is genuinely ready for its next step. Combined with disciplined pipeline management, it helps you advance opportunities when the buyer is prepared rather than simply when your system tells you to ask.
The Unplanned Move
Not every valuable sales action originates from a task list. Sometimes a particular prospect, former client, introduction, or follow-up comes to mind because something in your accumulated knowledge has recognized a connection before you have consciously articulated it. The Unplanned Move develops the discipline to act on those commercially relevant prompts promptly without abandoning the structure that governs the rest of your prospecting. Used alongside planning rather than instead of it, this creates another source of conversations and opportunities that a rigid schedule alone may never surface.
And none of these have any mentions of lead manifestations. Their purely technical. I get True Sell is a technical sub by nature but I honestly feel extremely frustrated by the direction and lack of manifestations in the recent subs for the past 7 months that I’ve even considered quitting my customs as their nothing like they we’re last year so I have to say it now if not I’d explode lol 
Like this what I always wanted and want man:
" * Out of this world manifestations that boggle your mind — R.I.C.H has some of the most profound manifestations.
- Manifest opportunities that will allow for even more powerful wealth-based manifestations
- Achieve a state of constant, unbreakable innovation. Regardless of what happens, you will innovate and earn money."
And unfortunately I’ve never seen that manifestation magic come ever again with that 30% increase ever and it starting to really piss me off and go on this rant but truly OG Rich was miles away and better than New RICH. Apologies for my rant my but I can’t take it anymore.
I mean, the same way OG R.I.C.H. would in this situation. Resonance. OG R.I.C.H. didn’t even have scripting related to sales, it was just pure manifestation. True Sell – which has OG R.I.C.H. scripting in it – is tailored to the sales industry.
So, while I do understand your question, I fail to understand how OG R.I.C.H. would theoretically work better. The problem you stated would still be the same, just without the sales support.
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