Yep exact same experience. Would be nice if I could make a OG Rich QTKS custom right now hehe.
PLEASE!!! That would be a dream come true. I think New RICH would be great as two stager.
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We’re not doing that any time soon. There is an entire stage of True Sell devoted to just manifesting leads. I appreciate our sales professionals here, but it seems like you all go from wealth title to wealth title expecting it to function for just sales.
That’s why we made True Sell Stage 2.
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LOL!!! @SaintSovereign is like: "I’m not letting this conversation go off the rails! I’m stepping in expeditiously and I’m keeping this sh*t under control ". 
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@SaintSovereign I’m still really confused on how True Sell ST2 would manifest leads as the sales reps touch the pipeline and do the outreach, etc. I touch zero of them and only go on calls already booked and close the deal from that so in that case how does ST2 manifest leads for me? I’m hesitant to try it as I do/do not even need to do any prospecting in my main work so basically that scripting because useless.
From a non-technical/philosophical/hype standpoint how does ST2 manifest leads if we don’t need and aren’t even supposed to do prospects and leads come from sales reps or from ads which I don’t touch. How does ST2 manifest that?
OG Rich had that magic of manifesting leads that close super fast and big leads that bought a few months later but at a high price tag. I literally increase my income by 30% from purely commissions with OG RICH. I never even came close to it on New RICH or True Sell sadly. That’s the type of things I want from True Sell. My business partner has ran ST2 since it’s release and there’s been ZERO improvements in terms of high quality leads or leads at all even with quite a expensive good ad campaign so I’m sorry to be a bit negative on this but so far I’ve seen zero positive results from someone either running ST2 or from the business standpoint seeing results on it.
I would really love to be wrong and see that magic I had last year happened again and if ST2 does that I will test it out right away if you give that understanding and details.
Like all of this is basically useless scripting to me that I’d never use or would be touching in my main work and that’s like 80% of the title. I’m not the one generating leads marketing, my sales reps and the ads are:
Sovereign Presence: Fullness First
Cold prospecting becomes difficult to sustain when every response feels personal. Unanswered messages, dismissive calls, and rejection start consuming the energy you need to make the next attempt, which causes activity to fall exactly when the pipeline needs more of it. Sovereign Presence: Fullness First develops the ability to make outreach without allowing the response to determine your confidence or momentum. That lowers the emotional cost of prospecting so you can sustain greater volume, maintain better call quality, and keep building pipeline through periods when the market is giving you very little encouragement.
Opportunity Sight
A significant amount of potential business never enters a pipeline because the seller fails to recognize it as business in the first place. Prospects mention frustrations, upcoming changes, unmet needs, and introductions in ordinary conversation, and those signals disappear unless someone knows how to hear them and act. Opportunity Sight develops both skills: recognizing a commercially relevant opening and making a concrete move while the context is still fresh. That allows you to create more qualified opportunities from conversations and relationships already passing through your life, increasing pipeline without requiring every lead to come from formal prospecting.
The Patient Play
Not every qualified prospect is ready to buy when you want them to be. Sellers often damage good future business by increasing pressure simply because their own quarter is ending, even when the buyer’s budget, priorities, or timing have not changed. The Patient Play develops the ability to remain useful and present through the prospect’s real buying cycle without disappearing or trying to manufacture urgency that does not exist. The payoff is a healthier long-term pipeline in which more relationships survive until the moment they can actually convert.
The Full Pipeline
A thin pipeline makes every deal feel more important, and that pressure changes seller behavior. You chase harder, tolerate weak-fit opportunities longer, negotiate more defensively, and become increasingly reluctant to lose anything because there is too little behind it. The Full Pipeline develops the ability to see the size of the market beyond the handful of prospects currently in front of you, while continuing to give each real opportunity proper attention. That broader perspective supports stronger qualification, steadier negotiation, and the willingness to walk away from bad business because no single prospect has to carry the weight of your entire number.
First Contact
Cold outreach has very little time to earn another person’s attention. Messages lose responses when they are padded with unnecessary context, vague about why they were sent, or so generic that the recipient can immediately tell the same template went to hundreds of people. First Contact develops a shorter, clearer approach built around one actual person, one relevant reason for reaching out, and one understandable next step. Better first messages create more replies from the same prospecting activity, which means more conversations can enter the top of the pipeline without simply increasing outbound volume.
The Hunter’s Ease
Prospecting volume has limited value if the quality of your communication collapses halfway through the session. As sellers become tense or fatigued, their pace changes, their listening deteriorates, and the tenth conversation of the morning often receives a visibly weaker version of them than the first. The Hunter’s Ease develops a more sustainable way of carrying high-volume outreach so your tone, attention, and conversational quality remain consistent as the repetitions accumulate. That makes greater prospecting volume economically useful rather than merely impressive on an activity report.
Clean Influence
Trust affects the speed of a sales cycle. When prospects sense manufactured urgency, exaggerated claims, or information being strategically withheld, they protect themselves by slowing the process, checking what you have said, involving more people, and becoming more cautious about committing. Clean Influence develops the habit of making precise, defensible claims and being straightforward about price, timing, limitations, and what the offer can genuinely do. The easier your statements are to trust, the less friction the buyer needs to introduce around them, helping good opportunities move forward with fewer unnecessary delays.
The Instant Bond
Discovery becomes more useful when a prospect decides early that they can speak to you plainly. Without that trust, sellers often spend several meetings working from polite answers while the real budget, priorities, doubts, and internal dynamics remain hidden. The Instant Bond develops the ability to establish genuine rapport quickly through full attention, real curiosity, and conversation that does not feel like a prelude to a script. When people tell you the truth sooner, you can qualify faster, diagnose more accurately, and avoid wasting weeks pursuing an opportunity built on incomplete information.
A large pipeline is not automatically a valuable pipeline. Sellers lose enormous amounts of time pursuing people who lack a real need, the ability to buy, or any realistic path to a decision, often because removing an opportunity from the pipeline feels like losing progress. The Qualifier’s Eye develops faster, more honest judgment about which conversations can genuinely become business and which should be released early. That concentrates your hours on opportunities with a credible path to revenue, improving the productivity of the pipeline rather than merely its size.
The Follow-Up Thread
Many deals disappear between meetings rather than during them. Sellers either follow up too aggressively because they are anxious about losing momentum, or wait too long because they are afraid of becoming annoying, and both approaches allow good opportunities to deteriorate. The Follow-Up Thread develops a consistent rhythm of light, useful contact in which every touch has a reason to exist and the next interaction is scheduled rather than left to memory. That keeps more viable prospects engaged through longer sales cycles and reduces the amount of pipeline lost simply because communication became irregular.
Pipeline Stewardship
Revenue can disappear for reasons that have nothing to do with selling ability. A promising conversation is forgotten, the agreed follow-up date passes unnoticed, or an opportunity sits untouched because nobody recorded what was supposed to happen next. Pipeline Stewardship develops the discipline of logging every active conversation and attaching a specific, dated next move to it. That turns the pipeline from something you are trying to remember into something you can manage, reducing preventable revenue leakage and building the operating discipline required to handle a larger book of business.
The Long Cultivation
Some of the most valuable relationships in a sales career take far longer to mature than a quarterly target allows. They may begin with no immediate opportunity, develop through repeated contact and useful contribution, and produce significant business only after months or years. The Long Cultivation develops the discipline to maintain those relationships without constantly measuring them against near-term revenue. Over time, that creates a second layer beneath your active pipeline: future clients, referral sources, repeat buyers, and professional relationships capable of producing opportunities long after the original contact.
The Referral Loop
A satisfied customer is one of the strongest sources of new business available to you, but referrals are often left entirely to chance. Sellers finish a successful engagement, receive positive feedback, and then postpone the referral ask until the moment of goodwill has passed. The Referral Loop develops the habit of asking directly when a strong outcome is still current and the value you created is easy for the buyer to remember. That converts completed work into new qualified introductions, allowing past sales activity to help generate future pipeline.
Sovereign Outreach
Response rates should inform your prospecting strategy without determining whether you continue prospecting. When silence starts affecting confidence, sellers reduce volume, rewrite good messages unnecessarily, or stop reaching out during exactly the slow periods when more activity is required. Sovereign Outreach develops the ability to send complete, thoughtful outreach and treat the response as market information rather than a judgment on the effort or the person making it. That protects prospecting consistency and keeps the pipeline-building machine operating when short-term feedback would otherwise cause it to stall.
The Timing Instinct
Consistent follow-up matters, but a reminder on your calendar does not mean a buyer is ready to move. Sellers often push an opportunity because their process says it is time rather than because the prospect is showing signs of readiness, and unnecessary pressure can damage a deal that was progressing perfectly well at its own pace. The Timing Instinct develops sensitivity to changes in questions, participation, tone, urgency, and behavior that indicate a conversation is genuinely ready for its next step. Combined with disciplined pipeline management, it helps you advance opportunities when the buyer is prepared rather than simply when your system tells you to ask.
The Unplanned Move
Not every valuable sales action originates from a task list. Sometimes a particular prospect, former client, introduction, or follow-up comes to mind because something in your accumulated knowledge has recognized a connection before you have consciously articulated it. The Unplanned Move develops the discipline to act on those commercially relevant prompts promptly without abandoning the structure that governs the rest of your prospecting. Used alongside planning rather than instead of it, this creates another source of conversations and opportunities that a rigid schedule alone may never surface.
And none of these have any mentions of lead manifestations. Their purely technical. I get True Sell is a technical sub by nature but I honestly feel extremely frustrated by the direction and lack of manifestations in the recent subs for the past 7 months that I’ve even considered quitting my customs as their nothing like they we’re last year so I have to say it now if not I’d explode lol 
Like this what I always wanted and want man:
" * Out of this world manifestations that boggle your mind — R.I.C.H has some of the most profound manifestations.
- Manifest opportunities that will allow for even more powerful wealth-based manifestations
- Achieve a state of constant, unbreakable innovation. Regardless of what happens, you will innovate and earn money."
And unfortunately I’ve never seen that manifestation magic come ever again with that 30% increase ever and it starting to really piss me off and go on this rant but truly OG Rich was miles away and better than New RICH. Apologies for my rant my but I can’t take it anymore.
I mean, the same way OG R.I.C.H. would in this situation. Resonance. OG R.I.C.H. didn’t even have scripting related to sales, it was just pure manifestation. True Sell – which has OG R.I.C.H. scripting in it – is tailored to the sales industry.
So, while I do understand your question, I fail to understand how OG R.I.C.H. would theoretically work better. The problem you stated would still be the same, just without the sales support.
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Exactly that’s why it worked so well because of those wealth manifestations.
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That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out for the past 7 months. That’s why you saw me to crazy and add golden one to my custom which didn’t help either lol.
I just want the most high quality lead manifestation and maximize my commissions as much as possible for my main work and the business since I work on the sales. That’s my dream @SaintSovereign
Do not delete your account, I value your review.
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Stage 2 specifically. The rest of light scripting related to it, except Stage 4, which has more. But Stage 2 is the definitive one for this purpose.
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@SaintSovereign wow, see this is exactly the type of stuff I wanted to see in the copy page but isn’t right now thank you! Does it have commissions manifestations in it too?
I will test ST2 now hopefully it’s exactly what I’m missing. Does it synergize well with New RICH in this case?
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Oh I’m not deleting anything don’t worry. I was just frustrated hence the rant lol.
Maybe Saint gave me a solution to that issue.
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Also building a better lead generation system- which is your responsibility as the owner. Running stage 2 myself right now- and seeing lead gen through an entirely different lense.
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Hahaha, the sales professionals keep pushing.
For the record-I’m very happy with the current wealth/sales titles. And I have not even tested the new True Sell yet (waiting for after next washout)
Boom -stage 2 for inbound sales manifestation
I’m guessing this is OG RICH for sales outside of current sales work -like for the new opportunities and scaling?
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It’s wrapped within pretty much all of Stage 4. Any aspect of the following that can be enhanced with more capital, it’ll help with.
From the Stage 4 description:
The Empire is built around that second conversion. It develops the ability to extract more from channels already working, test new ones without risking the core business, raise your rate as your track record grows, pursue larger rooms and larger deals, turn your expertise into additional income, build a name that creates inbound opportunity, and retain part of what you earn before lifestyle absorbs it. This is the stage for the seller whose fundamentals already work and who now wants that skill to produce a larger career, a stronger financial position, and an asset base that keeps compounding after the commission lands.
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@SaintSovereign if we run ST2 instead of ST1, would Synergy: Tale of the Dragon be a good module to have for sales in terms of the closing/pitching part of the sales process or ST2 handles everything already?
After one cycle of RICH and a full washout I found myself not obsessing about lack, be it with bills, money or experiences. My account ended up having much higher daily balances.
I saw myself standing in a stream and the money being a current flowing through my life. Debt stopped being bad. After all, I ran up those credit cards having experiences that I really enjoyed. So why get mad about it? I did see that certain types of debt not only blocked the stream from flowing more freely, but also hindered me from fully being able to take advantage of certain opportunities. So I learned and am still learning to work through the blocks.
At the same time I started looking upstream for ways to optimize my current flow and once that was done started looking for both larger and additional sources for my needs and ideal lifestyle. After all, two streams that meet can become a river. That said I felt like too much at once could potentially crush me because I don’t have the skill set or strength to direct it properly. So I learned to accept where I am while actively working towards where I want to be.
Wealth and abundance stopped being just about money. It expanded to include my relationships, health, joy, the amount of fun I got to have each day and a greater appreciation for everything in my life. Which included knowledge and life lessons, both good and bad.
Money was no longer just this physical thing I can hold in my hand or numbers on a screen, but another form of energy. The numbers told the story of how that energy was flowing and revealed certain truths.
The same way I worked out, watched what I ate and looked for information on ways I can improve my physical health, I gave my finances the same treatment. And if I ignored things for to long, the same way I ended up with health challenges, which recently happened. I can end up with financial challenges too.
RICH always works, it never starts out how I would expect, but never failed to make my life richer overall. Cheesy as that last bit sounds, can’t think of any other way to express it. I kind of wonder what would happen after a 3-6 cycle run.
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A few years ago, I ran a microstack of 3 mins each of
Mogul
R.I.C.H. (OG ZP)
Emperor Black
Limit Destroyer
Rebirth
Later that day, we got word that our currently owing balance for our electric/power bill was “forgiven” through some program our state had. Total of $353.
We had zero knowledge that that program was even a thing. So I can’t chalk that up to prior action on my part.
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