Well only few people are talking about their experience in listening to subliminal files
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My main argument was that if many people are having good results but 1% of pool is having bad side effects then its not authorâs fault. Dont forget there are some drugs that you barely have any control for yourself
The issue with drugs is that there are so many people who are getting addicted, dying that makes the example irrelevant. On the contrary martial arts example is pretty close. It is your choice how you will use your weapons
Actually there are quite a few journals in this forum and there isnt anything bad happened because of the subliminals from Subclub
I do agree, I also made that argument earlier in this topic.
Thatâs also why I said that some drugs are too easy to get addicted to.
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@Avengers68 Do you actually think subliminal producers do have those responsibiltities to a certain extend? Or are you just playing with the question and looking at it from both sides?
Drugs are not a good analogy here since they result in physical (chemical) changes.
A better analogy is someone in a cult, and whether they are responsible for their own actions despite the programming theyâve been given. Legally they are. Most people would say morally too.
Well @bujin you are touching a sensitive cord in me ! A friend of mine became a member of a cult. At the beginning he was responsible for it even though we told him he was stupid⌠but after that it was clear there was brainwashing ⌠the cult could say it is not our problem, it is the problem of the individual. We could not do anything for our friend
Iâm sorry about your friend, and for bringing up a personally painful issue.
This is nonsense how can a subliminal turn you into a rapist 
. People who think that are living in cuckoo land.
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Actually, ethicists, philosophers, and social scientists do indeed ask just these types of questions.
I have my own opinions and am encouraged to see that they are by and large similar to those of Saint, who should have a lot more data and experience than me.
But the questions @Avengers68 raises are legitimate and intelligent questions to consider.
Everyone seems to agree on the importance of personal responsibility. Well, I think part of developing it is to think about these issues and to come to your own views on them. For yourself.
Weâre not just born knowing the answers to these things.
I do think these issues raised are largely fear-based; but fear did have its value and its roles to play. Just need to make sure it does not go out of control.
The ironic and hilarious part to me is still that @Avengers68 began to think about all of these questions after he started Quantum Limitless. 
@SaintSovereign did you do your job too well? The man is analyzing and questioning everything, including you! 
Seriously though, I trust that it will lead him to some useful insights and positions.
Another possible good use of this thread would be for people to offer books, videos, websites or other resources that teach about the nature of the subconscious and how to work with it in a healthy, responsible way.
The YouTube channel Mind and Magick has good info and links to a bunch of other good resources. For people who like to come at it from the magick/occult angle.
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Well I donât think it works like that. Your subconscious can only suggest to your conscious and thatâs all. It canât and wonât force you to do anything. Kinda like the person who goes out and kills someone and then says the devil made him do it. Uh⌠No⌠He had a thought or voice or whatever you wanna call it and decided to take action. If the subconscious suggests you too do something and you donât do it it will stop suggesting. Thatâs why lots of people get results at first and then come on here and complain that it stopped. Itâs because they didnât take action with the suggestions they received from their subconscious. There are more things involved. And are you talking about yourself from subliminals by subclub? Be fare to yourself please. There are no negative suggestions in these subs. I know.
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@R.E.M.P.O I am not talking about myself, I just ask questions I think are interesting. Many years ago a friend was listening to subliminals from YouTube and I can tell you that he was changing and changing very fast in a negative side⌠and we discovered that many Youtubers were falling in the same trap. His mother asked me to help him. I asked him to stop after reading all the negative reviews made against this lady and her daughter who was doing these videos. Even some Youtubers were able to enhance the messages and we could here some highly negative messages. For several days this friend was sick and depressed because he was addicted to these videos. It was like stopping drugs.
My point is that the subliminals are bypassing the conscious mind and the subconscious mind will accept the messages without filter from the conscious mind. My friend loved the pleasure given by the subliminal and became addict to it but hated the feelings given by the messages : he started to hate himself and the people around him, isolating himself and thatâs why his mother called me for help. So there is a disconnect between conscious and subconscious mind.
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Youtube subs are something that shouldnât really be used, honestly. Anyone can upload a negative sub on that platform and people will use it because itâs free. SubClub is a lot different than YouTube subs. Iâve never felt any sort of negativity in my mind using them. Trust me, I would be the first to say something about these subs and spread awareness to everyone if they were affecting me in a negative way.
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I have never felt any negative effects only very positive effects with Sub Club, it is just a general discussion on sub
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First, I think any good subliminal creator will put some scripting in place that states the changes will be done in a safe and responsible way.
Now, everybodyâs idea of what is safe and responsible is different. Many serial killers believe that what they do is for a good reason even though the vast majority of us would disagree. You could give them a Perfect Murder X sub and they would happily integrate it.
Obviously SubClub wonât be making the Perfect Murder X sub, it goes against the company values.
If you believe that Saint and Fire are âgoodâ people, then you can also believe their idea of âgoodâ will be reflected in the products they create. SoâŚ
Do you believe they are good people? If not, why are you here?
On active participation...
Second, like hypnosis you are never completely without control. Yes, it is chatting to your subconscious, but if you do as others have suggested, setting goals and keeping track of the changes, you will be able to steer the results.
If the subliminal is turning you into a more natural human male, then you can still tell yourself thatâs not what you want. The only reason why we are what we call âcivilizedâ is because our conscious minds are forcing us to adhere to societal standards, many of them against our natural instincts (like male monogamy). But thatâs a discussion for another topic.
Anyways, if you steer your changes right, the special someone in your life will realize you are becoming more untamed and will amp up the excitement and diversity in your sex life all by themselves in an effort to keep you.
We all know that what you tell yourself is very important, and I can tell you from personal experience that even if I run subs 24/7, they still canât overcome active conscious resistance. The keyword being âactiveâ.
For example, right now my subs are making it so that all my vices are becoming like chores. Things like playing a computer game or watching TV meet with resistance and 9/10 things that I liked before now make me feel like âmehâ. The end result is that I am left with extra time to become more productive. ButâŚ
Consciously Iâm not quite ready to give it all up. So instead of being productive I get bored out of my skull and I end up still watching or playing that remaining 1/10 to keep busy. Or snacking on bread instead of fruits and veggies.
If I give in to the subs and become passive, they will likely succeed with time and make me lose interest in that last 1/10. But since I am not only aware but actively resisting this particular change, itâs not getting through.
Will it eventually happen? Probably, after Iâve been fighting it for months. Because that too sends a message to my subconscious. If Iâm still listening then, Iâm obviously not opposed to the change no matter what I tell myself. Otherwise I would have stopped the subliminal. Iâm sending conflicting messages through my actions and the subliminal wins.
If youâre listening to a sub that makes you more poly-amorous or competitive or ambitious and you donât like becoming that, you can hold it back by actively maintaining the habit it intends to change. Similarly, if you like the change, you can actively support it.
This is the whole action-taking process that SubClub keeps talking about. Your active participation either for or against the sub.
Although I would suggest you re-evaluate your goals and reasons why you are listening to the subliminal if it appears to be suggesting changes you donât believe you want.
You are choosing to have constant exposure to subliminals, hopefully after carefully considering the authors and subliminals in question. And on top of that, you are filtering the messages from those subliminals through your own value system. A value system that was created while you were still too young to listen to subs and is as hard to break as being left- or right-handed. The only way to bypass it is if you are somehow âwiredâ wrong, and that is exactly why the medical disclaimer exists.
I guess it comes down to this: guns, music videos, video games and movies donât kill people, but they can help someone thatâs already thinking about it to take that step either by making it easier or by numbing their mindâs natural resistance through constant exposure.
Similarly, subliminals wonât make you do anything you are not already open to doing, and even then it takes constant exposure.
FinallyâŚ
Many people following a religion take solace in the idea that when something good happens, they must have done something right, but when something bad happens it was the will of a higher being and completely beyond their control. Itâs certainly a lot easier than accepting that they had a responsibility for manifesting both the good and the bad, whether or not their higher being had a part to play.
For the record, Iâm NOT comparing SubClub to a higher being and our community to a religion. Not now, not ever. On the contraryâŚ
What I am saying is that you are an active participant on this journey. If you trust SubClub to be the GPS that leads you to your destination, accept the fact that you must set the destination. And if you disagree you can change course and take a different path to that destination. The GPS/subliminal will recalculate to adhere to your wishes.
It is unfair to place the responsibility at SubClubâs feet. They donât know you anywhere near well enough for that. Take responsibility for your own actions and your own life. Itâs one of the hardest things to do, but also one of the best things you can do to grow as a human being.
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I know that this post will not fit many positions on this forum but imho its essential to question some habits. NOFAP blames porn and masturbation for own failure. Fapping and porn are the enemys. Another form of self-deception. The article is worth reading.
Here a quote from the article below:
The NoFap strategies might have some positive benefits for people, but only incidentally. The brain doesnât need to ârebootâ the way they argue, though taking a period of time away from any repetitive behavior may help a person become more mindful and more aware of the impact of these behaviors. These guys reporting that they are able to âget laidâ when they stop using porn has little to do with the porn, and everything to do with the fact that they are making conscious choices about their lives, their sexuality, their relationships, and their needs. I encourage that, for all people. As a man, and a therapist, I just wish it didnât come along so loaded with these false messages that men are inherently weak, that their brains subject to being warped by porn, and that the quality of their sexuality is measured only by the strength of their erections.
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@DarkPhilosopher it is funny how people do not know how to read ! Did you see any posts from me attacking Subliminal Club ? Never ! It is a general thread on subliminals and ethics, thats it !
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It must then be equally funny how some people read what they want to hear. Please donât be so quick to judge. I use SubClub as an example because it is what I know and what I can talk about on this forum.
The principle is the same, so feel free to generalize the post by replacing SubClub with Completely Non-Specific And Generic Yet Entirely Trusted Subliminal Producer.