Energetic transference through food

It’s not though, lol. It’s solely dependant on you having conscious information.

If a chef in the kitchen who you know nothing about cooks your favorite dish and they’re in a really bad mood, it will still taste amazing to you unless they somehow ruined it (overcooked, etc). This “phenomenon” can actually be easily tested by blind taste testing.

In the example of grandma’s cooking being made with love, everything is dependant upon you having the conscious information that your food was cooked by grandma. The “made with love” feeling doesn’t come from the food itself, but from knowing who made it and what that means to you. Every single instance of this “phenomenon” requires that you have some kind of conscious information beforehand - that is the dead giveaway.

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I´m leaning towards both being interconnected, but also that there are levels to where you can place yourself in interconnectedness.

Basically that in general there is some form of transferrence, but once you´ve reached a certain level of self empowerment/manifestation power, these things aren´t necessarily applying to you (as much) anymore. Basically the empowered mirror of the “I don´t feel a difference”, realizing there is one in general, but by that being able to go beyond that.

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I understand your perspective very well, it’s a classic scientific perspective based on measurable materialistic facts, reality gets much bigger once you expand your consciousness, you’ll have to discover it for yourself.

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Bro, you are super smart, but stuck in “materialist bypassing” mode, thinking you can explain everything with mainstream materialist science and psychology.
Ignoring the many titles that Sub Club have done with regards to working with etheric energy, working with auras etc.
Just because you cannot sense energy and thought forms and you don’t know how to work with them, does not mean that they are not real.
I guess you also still haven’t looked into Astral Projection X in order to make some of your own experiences?

Psychologist also like to sound smart using placeholder terms like “suggestions” and “placebo” – which are just placeholder terms for phenomena that they cannot explain themselves because they don’t understand consciousness in the slightest.

Same goes for the term “energy” when scientists talk about what they observe. Just another placeholder term for something they cannot properly define.

In this particular example (abour charging food) you are missing the simple fact of the existence of the collective subconsciousness.
Wth that, it does not matter what you know or what others know or don’t know, bebcause the collective subconsciousness already knows!
Which is also the main reason why ALL blind and double blind studies in mainstream psychology are completely useless.

Food, being mostly organic matter, can be very well charged up with Chi.
The quality of the Chi will decide how it will influence the taste.
Therefore, low vibe people touching your food will have an effect on the taste.
You can also sense whether something is energetically rather high vibe or low vibe, so it is not just “the taste inside your head”, you just need to become more energy sensitive. So much sensitive, that you stop thinking “it is all just psychological in your head”.

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So you’re saying that the “collective subconsciousness” already knows about each person’s state, therefore having the conscious information doesn’t matter. Okay, so follow me here.

Let’s say that you applied for your dream job, and went to the job interview. The job interview was tough. You go home and you’re worried about whether or not you got the job. You start overthinking, overanalyzing, and maybe even feeling anxious. This is what you’re experiencing on your side. Now let’s jump to the employers perspective. Right after you left the job interview, the employer checks in with his staff, asking them what they thought about you. Everyone has good things to say about you, and the employer firmly decides right then and there that you’re the one. He intends to call you up later during the week to inform you that you’re hired. At this point, you were still in transit/traffic on your way home. Throughout the week you are full of anxiety, fear, doubt, and pessimistic energy “what if I didn’t get the job, what am I going to do?”. You start looking for other jobs to apply to. At the end of the week, the employer calls you and says you’re hired. You immediately feel a surge of positive energy, relief, and excitement. You internally reacted to consciously hearing and knowing the good news (information). Prior to that, you felt like a completely hopeless wreck. My question for you, is if everyone is connected, and this “collective subconsciousness” knows everything universally and automatically - then why didn’t you instantly just know and feel that you got the job when the employer made his decision. Why did you continue to look for other jobs when there was no point? Why did it take for you to actually hear the good news, to have that positive reaction? Why not right as the employer made his decision to hire you? Are you energetically insensitive?

Useful things to look into to make more sense of this matter:

  • Plants have been observed to grow differently based on what type of music they are exposed to. Soundwaves are not just soundwaves, after all. Vedic Chants, Classical Music and the like seem to have produced much better growth than disharmonious music or even Rock Music(I love rock music, but it is what it is I guess).

  • There is the famous Masaru Emoto, that Japanese guy who did experiments on how water seems to be influenced by human emotions. He also observed differences in rice decay based on what intent was projected on them. However, the scientific community seems to have dismissed him (as in, they cannot replicate his experiments in a statistically significant way).
    Interestingly though, I have often come across observations in various cultures that water acts as an amplifier/container, especially for emotions. For example, the archeologist Thomas Charles Lethbridge discussed this many times in his books. The most noteworthy examples are negative strong emotions(such as the places where people commited suicide) leaving an “imprint” for a long time after the passing of the person, which were noticed by people who didn’t know about the events of the place. They would step into a specific spot, and suddenly feel deeply depressed or suicidal, and were shocked to find that just stepping away a few steps would change their emotions again. The key was that there was usually a river, underground river or waterfall nearby. Of course, these are anecdotes, but I doubt there will ever be mass-scale studies on this due to a lack of interest from science. The question is also if these things can be tested on a mass-scale, since scientific double/triple blind experiments assume that humans are largely the same(or that the scientist assumes his independent existence from what he observes), when they clearly are not, at least when it comes to the perception of subtler phenomena.

  • In Southern India, I’ve personally met local healers that have explained to me that the industrial production of medications cannot replicate home-made drugs that were made with careful thought and the right emotions. In fact, they go as far as saying that the alchemist himself is an ingredient in any alchemical operation, meaning that if you were, for example, to materially replicate an Alchemist experiment, but your consciousness wasn’t pure or in the right mindstate, it will not work as described. This in itself could also be one of the reasons why many techniques from a long time ago no longer seem to produce the described outcomes, the vessels have changed since most modern people unconsciously operate on the same materialist framework now, even in India.

  • It is a common belief in multiple cultures that engaging in spiritual practices such as chanting specific mantras a long period of time while wearing amulets or bracelets made from specific materials such as metals somehow affects these items, and thus, putting these items on has been individually observed to induce drastic changes. Same, but to a much lesser extent, with clothes. Same as with the plant experiments above- soundwaves seem to affect matter in ways that can sometimes be felt but not measured in a meaningful way yet. But interestingly, mantra practice in India often quickly progresses from spoken words to thought syllables, so there are no sound waves in that instance, but thought forms. And that leads to the same thing this thread is discussing, can thought forms in the form of emotions affect the quality of food?

Now, Luther seems to argue that these are essentially reducible to mere anecdotes and/or the placebo effect- and he is mostly right about that. However, as @JCDenton has already pointed out above, the placebo and nocebo effects are themselves hard to explain, and I find it interesting that psychology so casually uses them, when some instances of placebo are really hard to explain(like placebo drugs curing cancer in some instances I’ve read). If mind was something separate from matter, how can it self-destruct or heal seemingly physical matter? Psychology itself is founded on a a bunch of unproven assumptions(brain creates consciousness, consciousness is an epiphenomenon of matter) and has been used to deal with observations that make materialist people uncomfortable- and the way out for them is physicalist reductionism. My doctor will always assign things he doesn’t understand in my body to “psychosomatic” symptoms, and with that, he simply dresses up ignorance in fancy sounding words. They still happen. I can report them. But they don’t seem measurable and what cannot be measured does not exist, according to materialist science. I think @emperor_obewan made a good point somewhere on these forums that traditional forms of meditation were often designed to make the meditator aware of his unmeasurable consciousness that is behind the manifold forms it takes in thoughts, emotions and so on. But even here, the materialism seeps through in that people usually chase “sensations”, “phenomena” and things that can be measured. They are implicitly seen as the only real thing.

  • A classic argument by materialists is that people like Emoto were blinded by confirmation bias. The argument of the scientific community is that double/triple blind trials eliminate this issue- but they still choose the setup of the experiment and what cases/papers to look at and what phenomena to look at or to dismiss, which is also based on confirmation bias(set of assumptions driving your interpretation). Going further, it has been argued before that the strength of conviction influences an experiment in these spheres- for example, someone could be a legitimate psychic, but the presence of the 100% sceptical James Randi would make the psychic fail, even if they didn’t have the intent to scam(I don’t know if this happened, this is just an example). Essentially, this boils down to the idea that in order for magic to work, everyone in the room also has to share the belief in its efficacy. This is actually explored seriously in Medical Anthropology, especially in India. A sceptical mind can be “overridden”, but only by someone who is absolutely sure of themselves/has a “stronger” conviction.
    Something in this direction needs to be explored to find out why many things that people experience on a daily basis don’t replicate that well in statistical scientific trials.

My guess, there are unexplained “confounders”- variables researchers are not accounting for, because they either are subtle and outside of the knowledge framework people use right now(philosophical materialism). If this is the case, there will be no change anytime soon, as the framework itself guarantees that most scientists concerned about their “scientific standing” will never want to even touch these topics, and those that do, influence the outcome of their studies with their own predictable assumptions about reality. And the few studies I’ve found that were actually confronted with troubling results that go against the assumptions of neuroscience(such as the paper that dealt with the observation that people that experienced the highest intensity in terms of subjective experience, as in near death experiences or strong hallucinogens like Ayahuasca, are measured to have next to no brain activity, which doesn’t make sense in neuroscience, as the opposite is assumed), usually end the paper with “more studies need to be done” and ignore the implications of their experimental outcomes.

In any case though, Luther’s statements seem far too certain given that he cannot possibly know all instances of such phenomena, and there are no large scale studies to my knowledge that would conclusively prove any of the following statements:

What is certain though is that we are sitting on many centuries of anecdotes and people continue to experience such things. We cannot dismiss these things as hogwash based on a very recent perspective introduced by atomists/materialists. So I would suggest just sticking with what works for you- if you are sensitive to these things- work with them!

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@JCDenton Remember it’s pointless to explain colors to a blind person, he will only understand colors the day he can see for himself, until then he might not even believe colors exists and he will only be confused about the concept since he doesn’t have a foundation for it in his paradigm of perception.

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Bro what your asking is straight up telepathy.

I can see both of your points. The energy in the food thing is real. But then again, 95% of the people can tell no difference.

The psychological aspect is obviously true and can be easily confirmed.

The energetic aspect requires you to at least be able to see or feel auras.

Here at subclub, all of us have experience with their amazing auras on all the subs.

As for the people who can’t feel the difference in energy, its nothing special, just an extra degree of understanding of how things work.

Its nothing important, that you have to worry about.

Maybe watch the movie Ramen Girl. You will get a better understanding

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To begin with I am not making this post to target anyone in particular. I am simply using the above concrete examples to demonstrate my thoughts and keep the focus tight on the very main theme of this thread - how the cooker/maker’s mental state affects the person consumes their food.

In theory I understand and even agree to some extent that there are invisible forces that influence us. However in practice/in real life the influences are so mixed up that I find it difficult to understand how anyone can be absolutely certain to reach a conclusion through causation based on the information one has.

Yes we feel good after eating a meal made by a loved one who loves us. I’d like to interpret that as positive association (e.g. safety, understanding, protection etc.) we made with the person, hence mama favor. Moreover, based on what many of you said, how do you be sure the ingredients that made the meals were not prepared with negative forces? In fact in many places water is literally being poisoned. Don’t we need to take that in account when we “feel” good? The same goes for the meat that come to our plate, it is injected with chemicals not to mention many the people that prepare the killing/the cut are sadistic who torture the cattle. Are you saying the positive intention of a high spirited chef is able to cleanse/ cancel out the negative force? Also if grandma prepared a loving meal but it was stolen and eaten by an office thief, was he gonna feel loved?

The bottom line is if I take literally what many of you said, keywords like collective subconsciousness or energetic field, then everything is influencing everything. Which leads me back to my very first reply, how can one be sure what causes what?

To even approach the answer to that in a constructive manner you´d have to first detach from the assumption of linear time.

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Then what’s the point of this thread and how does it answer my question?

I am careful about using terms like these because the definitions for them are rather open(and most of them are dubious re-interpretations from the New Age/Psychology sphere). I think a sensible way of framing this is to say that the problem you raise only comes up if you assume that all forces are equal in strength, but are they? As with many other phenomena, you might be in a weak field of a certain kind right now(you might be exposed to random waves from space, for example) but it is a near guarantee that close exposure to strong nuclear radiation will be more causative in inducing health problems from you than weak signals from space, right? I cannot prove it, of course, but it seems likely that even if water for example, moved through a pipe and picked up something we’d interpret as “negative”, the effect of a strong-willed individual on the water/food is likely to be more enough to negate that issue.

Neither scientist nor the local healer can be " absolutely certain to reach a conclusion through causation based on the information one has.", although I’d argue that the healer benefits from strong faith in his own assumptions, especially when dealing with the non-physical. In general, I find the role of faith very under-investigated.

There is a problem with setting up experiments in science, where the basic idea is that
“We systematically test each ingredient/factor across all situations to see its isolated effect on the final outcome.”
But it is hardly discussed if this is always appropriate in every context, and if isolation is even possible. Assuming that all confounders are known beforehand is equally troubling.

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I get your point, but that is actually more likely to turn people off from a debate like this. It’s asking too much, and doesn’t seem practical to most people, since that is very ingrained in pretty much all of us, right? Out of all possible assumptions, that one has to be one of the most difficult to overcome, if that is even possible.

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This is the absolute key right here, lol.

When people first start developing energetic sensitivity, they get very excited. They sense or feel things, and it starts changing their worldview. This is all natural, and it’s a good thing.

The problem is that, not everything is an energetic phenomena. It’s absolutely real, and it exists. Sometimes it is that, and sometimes it isn’t. The influences are mixed up. It could be actual energetic influence or it could just be a rational, psychological explanation behind it. A magic trick for example. Sometimes the magic trick is actual real magic, and sometimes there’s no actual magic, it’s just a trick.

When someone encounters real magic for the first time, they can get lost in an awe that ungrounds them, pushing them into an extremist worldview. Suddenly, every ordinary card trick is real magic to them, yet not all of them are.

I said that I use to think like this about energy transferring through food - believe it or not, my growing out of that is actually a result of spiritual work and developing my energetic sensitivity. The more you develop energetic sensitivity, the more you actually know and sense what truly is energetic influence and what is not. It is actually the people with low energetic sensitivity who are unable to clearly distinguish, and it’s low adaptivity/integration of that sensitivity which causes them to adamantly attribute everything to it without questioning. That’s just my take on it, lol. I would appreciate every now and then to be able to reply to an OP without getting @ed by several people trying to challenge, disagree with me, and make personal assumptions about me. But hey, it’s the internet hahaha.

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This is a key point of the differing more limited materialistic view.

Everything is energy.

What @GoldenBird mentioned above:

do you live inside of a type of shared vision that is holographic and interactive in nature?

This is what I have realised and am realizing more and more. Everything is an energetic phenomena, everything impacts everything to various degrees and depths.

How much impact and what is the cause of that experience or that feeling, etc is another bigger more complex conversation.

It’s called a forum for a reason

Forum: A forum is a public discussion. It can refer to a meeting, a meeting house or any conversation that is available publicly

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You’re taking me out of context. By “energetic phenomena”, I’m talking about things like energetic transfer through food - the idea that someone’s mood or energy can literally go into a meal, and be sensed/absorbed by others while physically remaining the same.

Yes we’re talking about the same thing, what the thread is about, energetic transference of one energetic body (a human being) on another (food).

Firstly with due respect the more you (and others) replied/explained the more hypothetical and selective (dare I say empty) the statement became. E.g. a strong willed person is likely to negate the negative effects on food and water. Because if it’s the case we don’t get to choose and pick the good and bad the implications would be those who were poisoned/harmed were weak willed and/or the ones that not negating the negative energy in food were ill intended/weak willed. Secondly the opposite would be true. A person with strong grudges would be able to ruin a soup made with love by reheating it.

While as mentioned I’d like to keep the focus tight on food preparation theme of this thread I’ll make a quick point to remind you that the tribal people/herd under the healers still get diseases and sickness so I don’t know how and where the sentence “the healer benefits from strong faith in his own assumptions, especially when dealing with the non-physical” relates here and come from. Because again we don’t get to choose and pick if it works it works if it doesn’t it proves @Skadoosh and my point that everything is influencing everything, there are physical or psychological factors that we need to take into account.

Edit: in case it wasn’t clear I am not here to debate or target anyone. I am trying to understand how it worked exactly while reconciling with the real world contradicting examples I noticed.

I actually 100% agree that everything is energy and that we live in a type of shared vision that is holographic and interactive in nature. I find it interesting how my explanation is somehow deemed as contradictory towards those truths, and labeled as “materialistic/limited”. In my opinion it is the complete opposite. Projection, confirmation bias, and self-suggestion are all processes that involve energy in motion. There is absolutely nothing “materialistic” about them, especially not in how they actively shape your perception and therefore experience. I’m not denying energy, I’m pointing out that there is an energy dynamic but it’s occurring within and created by the perceiver, not in the food itself. If anything, this is even a less limiting concept because it brings to your attention the amount of power you have in creating your own experience. As I mentioned in my first reply, this is even more mystifying and powerful to me than the energy dynamic being solely present and externalized into the food and independently transferrable.

This point I completely agree with as stated in my very first response.

But there is a hard truth about the food you’re ingesting that carries its own energetic impact.

To make my point more obvious, it’s like the difference between eating an edible mushroom and a poisonous one.

They both have a different energetic imprint, one will kill you and the other won’t, regardless of your self suggestion.

But again I agree that an individual with enough intention power could actually negate the effect of the poison.

It is still worth considering the quality of the food we eat so we don’t have to use Genkidama levels of energy with our intention to counteract lower vibrational food.