Empath, Mercy Protocol vs Way of understanding - Q modules

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#1
  1. Emotional Empathy: This involves actually feeling the emotions of others. When someone is happy, you might feel happiness; when they are sad, you might feel sadness. It’s an emotional resonance with another person’s feelings.
  2. Cognitive Empathy: This involves understanding and comprehending the emotions of others without necessarily feeling them yourself. It’s more about intellectual understanding, perspective-taking, and being able to grasp someone else’s point of view.

For as long as i can remember i struggled with people becuase i lacked emotional empathy and still do. I did develop cognitive empathy with observation and experiances. Ofcourse i would care if anything happens to anyone i care about, but from a " me " stand point. Could be an INTJ thing with very weak Fe

My question is. Which one of these 3 modules is best geared towards developing emotional empathy? It would be very useful, and nice to finally feel like a human :joy:

1: Way of Understanding
Grow your ability to understand others and their lives – Way of Understanding will help you see clearer the motivations, beliefs, emotions, thoughts and desires of the people around you, and help you be understanding of it. Furthermore, Way of Understanding will help you understand your own motivations, beliefs, emotions, thoughts and desires as well as the why’s behind each one of them.

2: Empath
Some people are natural born empaths, while some recognize the potential benefits being an empath gives. Empath is designed to protect you from overwhelming yourself with the emotions of others while boosting your ability to detect and discern emotions and thoughts, helping you to take your empathic abilities to the next level.

3: Mercy Protocol
Becoming able to empathize with others on a deep, soul level is an advantage you can make incredible use of. Mercy Protocol will help you tap into your deepest, innermost levels of kindness and empathy whenever needed, and you will become able to comfort those dear to you better and better.

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#2

I would strongly urge you to add all three modules. They work beautifully with each other just as their Similarities and Differences section describe that combo of them.

I had even added all three of them in a custom and the results were very good. Extremely harmonizing relationships with ANYONE.

But if you can only add one module, it should be Empath. No doubts about that. It will help keep you emotionally regulated both in terms of others and even yourself. Especially if you only want to deal with people kindly but don’t want to think too much about it.

Adding Way of Understanding and Mercy Protocol to Empath is only required if you want to deal more closely with others and lead to deep connections that comfort others.

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#3

In my opinion, Empath seems like it has a lot of scripting to protect empathic people first, and develop empathy second. Seems more for the “natural born empathy” it mentions.

Hence why the protection is the first part mentioned, and the empathy is taken from “good” to “extraordinary”

Mercy Protocol is the sub of the three you mentioned that sounds most directly meant to develop kindness and empathy,

but IMHO the module you’re looking for is EMOTIONS UNFETTERED

Feel the full depth of your emotions by adding this module to your custom. Emotions Unfettered will help you feel the whole spectrum of your emotions and intensify each of them, allowing you to use them for your purposes. While Emotions Unfettered will make your emotions stronger, it will also make them more useable by giving you a clearer lucidity and awareness of them in the moment, as well as helping you develop greater emotional control. Furthermore, Emotions Unfettered will help you be more open with them to others, in a way that makes you more respected and admired. Ultimately, with Emotions Unfettered and enough practice, you’ll be fully in control of your emotions while enjoying them to the fullest.

You said it yourself, INTJ’s have very weak Fe.

So develop that, and then the cognitive empathy will naturally have an emotional component to it. It’s not surprising in the slightest that you, a self described cognitively dominant person, is interpreting people’s emotions through your cognitive/logical lens. Speaking from experience as an INTP here, that’s how I interpret everything too.

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#4

However one of my favorite modules, and SaintSov’s recommendation to me because it’s one of his favorite modules, is You Are Not Alone. It’s like inner circle but for deep friendships. This might be a more direct way to address “struggling with people.” YANA naturally made me more empathetic to help me with deep connections.

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#5

@Lion @Jouissance I appreciate the detailed responses. I was talking purely about the ability to size up, feel what others are feeling in order to be a better communicator/seducer/closer etc.
I don’t need anymore understanding or kindness. I am kind, respectful and can develop good relationships with people. I have developed that using the only tools available at my disposal, logic, pattern recognition, experience and observation.

For me trying to read someone is like a computer doing 100s of calculations by the second and predicting answors. Unlike most people who simply can feel others becuase THATS WHAT HUMANS DO!!!

Because i have virtually no emotional empathy, All i could do is use cognitive empathy and work on them. What i want is pure emotional empathy… to cover a blindspot i never thought i could. I want the exact module for it just for its own sake. For me this could open up an entirely new dimension of communication. Like how xxFJ’s can just read people through the way the automatically detect their emotions.

I already picked Emotions Unfetterd to feel more intensly, but its about the users own emotions, and no one else. Did You are not alone develop your emotional empathy directly? Or just manifest and forge deep connections? Because i am ok with the latter, the former is what i am hoping for :sweat_smile:

Edit; I am planning to build with the full NLE core i can train it up a bit, provided a module can actually help with emotional empathy and not the other type which could be trained by simply being observant, patient and not selfish. So far the choice is between Eagly Eye and Mercy Protocol. However Eagle Eye is more of the same, while im not sure if mercy is about simply being kind and comforting people.

Also @Jouissance ah yes. I have seen pleanty of INTP hulk rage with their 4th slot Fe.

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#6

I would agree with the description of the module - you seem to have already added it in so it’s a moot point - but it’s important to note that you’ll be limited to only feeling other’s emotions as strongly as you can feel the depths of your own.

YANA specifically increased my emotional empathy with people I had the possibility of deeper connections with. It wasn’t a blanket-improvement in all areas of life, but, it was a direct result I saw with certain people.

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#7

I think you hit something there. that mastering my own emotions may allow me to evolve into feeling others.

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#8

Sorry if I implied that, that’s not what I meant by mentioning mercy protocol. What I was trying to say was that Empath seems to have protection scripting for people who suffer with being TOO empathic. But Mercy Protocol is purely about the DEVELOPMENT of Empathy (but also kindness)

So mercy protocol seems like the better fit of the three as it’s for anyone, and only focuses on development, your goal, while Empath is dev + protection.

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#9

Nothing to apologize for. Its a tricky topic since most people equate empathy with patience, kindness and understanding. But in my case its the only thing i can acutally use in order to function, kinda like telling a blind man to focus on hearing… DUH thats all i can do, i want eyes please

what i need is mokney see mokney whooo eeehhh eeeeh mokeny understand other monkey

Thanks again :sunglasses:

#10

It is not a module but Phoenix has that what you are probably looking for.

" * Develop and elevate emotional intelligence to handle complex emotional landscapes and improve emotional self-control and understanding of others’ emotions."

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#11

Phoenix has developed my emotional empathy and intelligence to levels i couldn’t even think of before, in just one cycle

The emotions i feel now are stronger and deeper, it’s easier to express the emotions and im way way way more empathetic, emotionally empathetic

I almost never felt empathy for anyone before Phoenix due to narcissistic abuse but Phoenix healed it in one cycle, of course there is a long way to go but i couldn’t recommend it enough

Phoenix is better than any of the modules you mentioned, trust me, you won’t regret it

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#12

Then its settled. Thats 2 convincing arguments for DR Pheonix.

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#13

Let’s open a champagne then :slight_smile:

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#14

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#15

I agree with @Jouissance.

If you’re in the desert and you’d like to grow a rose garden, you need to deal with the aridity issue first before you start moving on to seed selection.

I was actually thinking of Love Bomb For Humanity.

To me what you described seemed like a Capacity question, or an Environmental/Contextual question first.

You need to establish the environment first before focusing on the denizens of that environment.

First you secure a large body of ocean/sea water, and then you buy your beloved dolphin.

If you buy the dolphin before you have water for it to live in, your dolphin is not going to survive very long.

On the other hand, if you manage to somehow obtain a large piece of ocean property, there’s a decent chance that a dolphin may just wander along by itself.

Love itself, feeling itself, is the medium in which empathy’s pictures are painted. They are the ink in the pen of (emotional) empathy.

I even suspect that if you open up the gates of feeling, that’s actually all that your INTJ analytical brilliance would need. It will do the rest.

At that point, Empath will probably be very useful. Since your focus will naturally switch to maintaining boundaries and averting overwhelm (since this would be a relatively new and unpracticed ability and range of experience, after all).

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#16

@Malkuth i see that i’ve missed the forest for the trees. If so the could Chosen of venus do the same?

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#17

Not necessarily. Those are just my thoughts.

Interesting, I just reviewed the module descriptions for Chosen of Venus…and Depths of Love.

Yes, that’s more or less what I have in mind.

I have not, however, run either of those modules.

In contrast, I have run Empath, Mercy Protocol, and Way of Understanding. Since August 2022 actually. (Sans a couple of washout periods, including my current one.)

I"m of the opinion that the changes begin from the seed of your Intention, prior to running the subliminal.

So, I suspect, that you are already in the process of expanding your feeling capacity, and now you’re looking for tools and structures to optimize that process.

As an INTJ, you have the cognitive power of Introverted Intuition. I am not incredibly familiar with how that feels, but I imagine it must be very helpful for the process of choosing and working with subliminals.

So I say, trust yourself.

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#18

I hope other INTJs and anyone really who finds it hard to really conmect with pepple see this. I did a ton of healing using status subs and especially with EoG stage 1, Khan Stage 1 and even KB stage 1.

I suppose this is why LFBH is so important. @Malkuth You are wordsmith and a poet! Thanks

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