Dragon Reborn Multistage - Destroying Trauma

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#1

Recently, I have been using Rebirth since I really wanted to get rid off my traumatic events, so, that my emotions disconnet from them. Another goal is to get the best possible results of other subs, since traumatic event may affect your results negatively.

Now, I bought “Dragon Reborn Multistage” and decided to give it a try. I’m sure that we all have traumatic experiences that takes a lot of our mental energy, which is why I want to begin a journal to show others how a strong Sub like Draogn Reborn Multistage, can help you with that.

Day 1

I listened to the whole 15 minutes of the Stage 1. I noticed that I was being more aggressive and angry the whole day. I just wanted to be alone and went into a defensive mode when someone tried to approach me.

Day 2

I listened to only 2 minutes of Stage 1. The days before I felt anger. Since traumatic experiences cause energy, I felt a lot of testo being released, as if I’m working out. I think Stage 1 gets every single emotion that is somehow related to the traumatic event out of you and makes you feel it all again. Its a huge amount of energy that I felt cognitively. I can imagine that leaving this energy within my subconscious mind would cause a lot of blockages. Its like a door to your subconscious mind with the traumatic event has been opened. Now I can try several ways to get rid of this energy, hitting the Gym for example. Its good!

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#2

I get a crazy anger response on ST1 too. I haven’t touched it in a while. Might be time.

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#3

I was thinking that but I’m going to wait at least until it’s updated with NSE.

I have so much I need to work through still

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#4

You want to destroy your trauma? Start right now. You don’t need to run subliminals to do that, first step, is change your language.

“Destroy” your trauma is language that COMES from trauma, so so long as that’s your goal, you’ll actually be perpetuating it and making it worse.

The choice is yours, but if you want, you can choose to build a relationship with your trauma, understand your trauma, heal from your trauma, love and accept yourself despite your trauma, detach from the past and move boldly towards your future despite your trauma, let go of your trauma, make peace with the chaos inside of you that comes from your trauma, generate a source of strength and conviction as a result of your trauma, increase your compassion and help others heal things similar to what happened to you and your trauma….

Or you can destroy your trauma, which stems from hating and wanting to abuse, reject, hate, and abandon a part of yourself.

You’re treating yourself the way abusers treat people they traumatize. Maybe you learned it. Maybe it’s just an accidental use of language. But what would you prefer?

Because you can try and “destroy this trauma” by jumping right into 15 minute loops of the hardest sub in the store, but if the recon is insane, maybe you don’t need that much. If your language is to “destroy” the trauma, you’re actually inviting pain and self-destruction, common among people who are used to pain and self destruction.

But if you were to build a relationship with your trauma, for example, perhaps the next loop you ran could be 5 minutes, and you could see how that effects you, until you find the sweet spot that feels like challenging but not debilitating recon.

If you wanted to accept yourself despite trauma, you could add in LBFH.

If you wanted to move forward boldly in life despite your trauma, maybe KB? Lots of options here.

But even without any subs, the first step in destroying your trauma is destroying your tendency to use trauma-based language. Or, maybe, finding more powerful language :wink:

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#5

hmm, I’m fine with “destroying trauma”. What I mean by “destroying” is to get rid of it. Obviously, you can’t “remove” this experience from your brain. But you can weaken its effects. The 15 minutes of Stage 1 were actually fine. Anger is also a type of energy, and it didn’t stop me from being productive. I was able to study and to work. Idk what to say about that “You’re trating yourself the way abusers treat people they traumatize.” way too much drama.

#6

Go easy. There’s no need to slam yourself with 15 minutes right off the bat.

Microloops - 1 minute the first week, 2 minutes the next and so on until you hit a sweet spot where you don’t have such reactions.

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#7

I think what @ouroboros is trying to tell you that trauma isn’t the bullet sticking in your flesh.
Rather it’s the damage the bullet has done to your flesh. The bullet is gone the moment the traumatic event is over.
What is left is the damage in yourself.
That damage needs healing not destruction.
Trying to destroy the trauma is like trying to cut out the bullet wound. It only makes the wound more severe.
What this wound needs isn’t contempt and hate.
It needs love and tender care.

You might think of this as secondary semantics.
But subliminal technology is all a question of semantics. It’s all a question of intent. As long as you reject this part of you, it’s incredibly hard for your subconscious to heal the trauma.

Conscious guidance is the keyword. When you guide your subconscious to use the sub to destroy your wound you make healing much more complicated.

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#8

i respect what you’re saying - i would still make the argument that being fine with “destroying trauma” is a result of the trauma that still needs to be destroyed, and that part of “destroying the trauma” is going to be finding new ways to approach it apart from the destruction and complete lack of acceptance for a part of yourself that is you, at the end of the day - but I don’t think you’re wrong for approaching it the way you’re approaching it either. it’s an invitation and a bit of reasoning as to how I got there, not a judgement or an absolute.

But I’m coming from a place of doing trauma work, growth work, shadow work, in communities with some advanced mentors and others way more experienced that me, for the better part of 6 years, every week, non-stop, and some immersion on top of the weekly experiences to boot. And in all those circles, anyone who I’ve ever encountered that has years and years of experience teaching trauma release or is “trauma-informed” comes to the conclusion and then teaches that “destroying” trauma, or “getting rid of it,” or “getting over it” or “rejecting” trauma in one way or another is just playing out another obsession over the negative, and obsession over the negative is one of the symptoms of trauma. Even “weakening its effects” is just removal of the negative - not an invitation to find someting more positive.

This is a forum where you’re just speaking your mind freely i’m not here to nitpick words. But I thought it’d be an interesting thought for you if you were open to it. Maybe it’s all flying over your head, that’s fine too. I’m just highlighting that the fastest way to weaken the effects of trauma is to replace it with something positive, and not allow your trauma to become an obstacle to that, rather than fixating on the eradication of the negative…

And also that if you look at the top 1% most productive people of all time, like Elon Musk, a total workhorse, they’re usually extremely traumatized, using work to suppress their trauma, so that’s not really a way to guage whether or not you’re addressing any trauma.

beautifully said

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#9

I used to listen to the whole loop in prior runs of St.1, but I kept being hit with harsh recon, and it sidetracked actual results A LOT. So, I wanted to try again earlier this year, but I wondered how I could proceed and not want to bail out constantly. After reading the sales page (a few times) I took its suggestion:

  • Sometimes, “less is more” with Dragon Reborn ZP. If the reconciliation grows to become too much, cut back on the loops or listen to only 5 minutes of a loop.

I listened to St.1 (5 minute loops) for 2 months. And though this was my 3rd try at DR, it was the most productive one I’ve had, bar none. I wasn’t constantly overwhelmed, and I felt more in control of myself than I’ve ever experienced on DR. I felt like my past wasn’t controlling me and making me miserable constantly.

Also, I was truly doubtful it’d effect me much when I began 5 minute loops, but I was wrong. I was processing it much easier and much deeper than in previous runs, and recon DID NOT sideline me regularly. Almost none compared to my prior 2 runs.

–it’s my guess that you’re hitting this hard since…past junk is hitting you hard. I’d suggest trying a shorter listening time like @Fire recommended since initially, DR may seem like emotional surgery (while you’re awake). It calms you initially, but with full loops, it amps up the healing. And for many of us, true healing in life has been a rare occurrence. Too much can make you quite miserable, and like you shared in your first post, you’ll want to go away and hide an awful lot. (I did often on prior runs)

Take counsel from those who’ve made the same mistakes and wanted to wipe it out, blow it up, utterly destroy that stuff messing up our lives. Emotional pain sucks, but healing from it doesn’t have to.

For me, 5 minutes was perfect. It helped me feel in control of myself more.

Lastly, I took on @Billions’ listening schedule, and it worked beautifully for me. I did loops on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday ONLY. It allows more down time, and that is when the healing happens.

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Day 3

Something weird happened last night. As Dragon Born’s description says: " You will experience changes throughout your whole being, and you need to be prepared to go through the challenges that this entails. It is not an easy path – be ready."

Last night I was thinking of several traumatic events, which made me reach my brains maximum stress level. It has something to do with the posttraumatic stress disorder I’m suffering from. I had listened to only one minute before.

Since I couldn’t stop thinking about it, it became really, really stressful, so I couldn’t sleep. What happened then is a quite unique experience, something I had NEVER experienced before.

I suddenly stopped thinking about it and felt an intense relief. I didn’t know what was going on. I suddenly felt my left brain part being extremly active. I couldn’t think about the traumatic events anymore, I just layed in my bed and enjoyed that moment of relief.

When I closed my eyes, every single scene of the main traumatic event was shown to me and immediatly answered by my brain. You know, traumas can keep on going if there’s many questions left to specific scenes, such as words of other individuals involved. My brain just “looped” through the scenes and answered them.

So what I believe is that at that moment my brain stopped being in survival mode for a while, which is what caused me to feel relief. Its like a big stone falling of your back that you’ve been carrieng around for several years. However, when I woke up I was back in my PTBS mode. But this experience made me see that there’s something extremly wrong with me and it showed me how it feels like to NOT be in survival mode the whole time. Really interesting!

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#11

That exact thing is why I’ve returned to DR numerous times myself.

Your experience is such a motivation! Thank you for sharing it :blush:

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#12

Day 4

This morning, I woke up feeling a little bit “sad”. I was thinking of things that would confuse me as a teenager, such as some math exams I’d write at school that would absolutely confuse me. So, Dragon Reborn somehow took me back to the past with some of my feelings, thoughts and emotions. I think its neccessary for my brain to proceed “traumatic” events of the past. I also noticed that my brain stopped being in that PTBS survival mode the whole time, which is an amazing feeling, since I can finally act “normal”. I stopped focusing on people in general when I’m walking down the streets, which is a big relief.

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#13

I remember those feelings. It makes the holidays and seeing so many old faces a lot less stressful too.

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Day 5

Today was a little bit different. I listened one minute to “Rebirth” and one minute and thirty seconds of Dargon Reborn ST1. I noticed that deep inside of me, there’s a lot of fears and worries, since I had to worry a lot throughout my entire life. Sounds depressing, I know. I noticed that since 2019, I became more of a closed book, which lead to me being constantly forced to opress my thoughts and emotions.

You know, since 2019 was one of the best years I had, I’m always confronted with nostalgic thoughts. I was 20 years old back then (I just noticed that I’m 24, lmao). Anyways, while Dragon Reborn constantly “digs” out your traumatic thoughts which may lead to anger, Rebirth tries to process these experiences positively. All of this may lead to nightmares or you being sad after waking up, which is really important for processing information. I allowed myself to feel sad about it, though I still don’t know how to figure out what to do with the traumatic event. You know, since Dragon Reborn ST1 always brings up the exact same memories about the exact same event, I’m sure that this event must be the “king” of all traumatic events which has lead to the most wounds.

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Day 6

Last night, something weird happened. I woke up and was thinking of the traumatic event, which is something I usually do after listening to Dragon Reborn. But this time, my brain got into specifics of the traumatic event which is the reason why I’m still obsessed with it. So, my brain showed the part of the whole event, which caused me to produce a lot of dopamine (before the event happened). My brain showed me that I’m obsessed with the whole situation because back then, my ex fiance would call me “sweetheart” and so on, which immediatly lead to my brain producing dopamine, and which caused me to miss her after she left.

So, I vizualised the chats I had with her. I used a method that my therapist taught me to disconnect emotions from specific events. So, while I was laying in bed, I was using this method. After I finished, I asked myself “Is it over or am I dreaming?”, when ALL OF A SUDDEN I felt that energy that Dragon Reborn was producing inside of my body. My thoughts were “I’m perfect the way I am, if I need to change I will change for myself, I can achieve anything I want, I don’t need to satisfy others but I need to satisfy myself”, etc. The more these thoughts came up, the more FIRE I felt inside of me, wanting to become extremly productive to achieve the ultimate goal. Note that I have only been listening to Dragon Reborn and Rebirth!

So this proofs that Dragon Reborn brings up a specific traumatic event and all of the emotions with it to find the biggest reason for that trauma and emotions. I felt free, like a Dragon, flying away from these emotions. And trust me, it feels like FIRE being inside of your soul. It’s the biggest energy I’ve ever had in my entire life. It’s amazing how I can be and what I can achieve without my negative experience throughout my life being my daily companion.

Further I’ve noticed that I became more eloquent and I have absolutely no idea why. For the first time in my life, I found out how it is to have a balanced mind and balanced emotions. No more toxic and negative energy. Though I have to admit that some of this energy came back this morning, I was really happy with the result. I finally felt how it feels like to be free from my opressive chains of guilt and self hatred. But it’s not over yet!!

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Day 7

Today, at work, I noticed that I wasn’t thinking of recent traumatic events at all. I was truely just focused on my work, though I missed that feeling of being unstoppable and extremly productive, the “fire” I was talking about. But I also thought that I needed to give my brain time to accept this process. I can’t enforce it and it’s better not to. In the end this is what ZP is all about :slight_smile:

I felt a little bit more tired. Yesterday, when I got home, I immediatly went to sleep. Idk if it has something to do with Dragon Reborn. But I can assure you that I stopped thinking or feeling anything related to my youngest traumatic events.

I can also assure you that having self-esteem and being confident are the biggest parts of true success. You can’t listen to a sub related to success if you’re suffering from too many blockages that need to get away, because its more important to get of these blockages first.

Further, one of my favorites, I noticed that my thoughts became clear and confident. My trauma stopped effecting my brain negatively. I feel “balanced” when I’m alone, though I notice that the balance and confidence goes away when I’m at work. But I’m convinced that Dragon Reborn is also going to help me here.

Just to go back to the “Fire”: I have lived my entire life like a domesticated dog. I didn’t do anything, had no free time activities in my teens and never felt how it feels like to be confident or how to have self-esteem. For the first time in my life, I can finally feel like a healthy individual.

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#17

I relate, I’ve had a similar experience. The strong sense of self grows alot with this sub.

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