How does the ‘don’t discredit subs’ rule as just a coincidence work?
I just finished writing a journal entry for LBFH. I ran it on the 24th, which is my birthday, and I received birthday texts from family and friends. I gave LBFH the credit even though I get those texts every year.
How do you guys know when to give credit to a sub and when not to, so you can say “Hey this sub was part of the reason this happened” and so on?
Look for repeated occurrences, no matter how small.
If you treat each person you encounter as if they are an honored guest who has something useful to tell you, you will learn and receive more that is of value in this life.
Or even just shifts out of normalcy
Honestly I accredit most things to the subs lol
@SaintSovereign and I often talk about reports and experiences of forum members, and we often go into reminiscences.
One of the good old ones is the story of vacation guy. I don’t remember which forum member was behind it, but I perfectly remember the story.
Goes something like this:
"Hey, I went to a vacation on this beautiful island with a couple of my girl friends. I ran Libertine, and we all ended up having wild, kinky sex every day of the vacation. It was great.
But I don’t think Libertine worked. Why didn’t it work, @SaintSovereign and @Fire?".
Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
For us, it’s obvious that it worked on him, but he is adamant that it didn’t.
He thinks it would have happened regardless.
But why didn’t it happen regardless before?
And I’m not only talking about the fact that it didn’t happen before in his life, when he was without subliminals.
I’m also talking about the fact that, if the event seemed so perfectly set up that, in retrospect, that event was pretty much guaranteed to happen…
Why do you think it is like that?
Every little action, event, occurrence, situation, feeling, thought, all of it - builds upon one another. You handwave away the cute girl smiling at you in passing as “oh, it could have happened” (even though it happened very rarely before) and you’re getting in your own way and telling your subconscious “oh, maybe I don’t actually want these changes”.
You handwave away the instinct and pull to learn marketing that you get after running Emperor - you don’t get the later result of owning a 100k a month business.
And of course, things like your example might not be subliminal related. Not everything is. But let’s say, compared to previous times, you got just a tiny bit more, or nicer and sweeter messages - there is the root of the result that can blossom into a beautiful flower if tended to.
I’ll never forget the first day I ran RICH I got a $6k check in the mail. Yes, it clearly had been mailed prior to me listening to the sub earlier in the day, but I didn’t know it was coming and so it was a very pleasant surprise to me. I’m more than willing to give that credit to RICH.
Wow.
I loved my RICH manifestations, but that is incredible.
Yes, indeed.
You get a lot more goodies in life if you stop rejecting all of the ones that you can’t explain.
Not nearly as crazy, but here’s another one…
I’ve switched my stack (temporarily at least) to the new EmpX to focus on a new side business I’m working to ramp up. As part of that, I’m planning to reach out to a particular company to partner with and when I checked their website tonight I was shocked to see that their head office is not only in my city, it’s also just a few blocks from here. I can literally walk in there tomorrow if I wanted to…
Once you dive deeper into understanding time (or realizing it is not as linear as we think) you might come to the conclusion that even events that were set up already are potentially done by your subconscious and the sub before you even ran it.
Many will handwave it away as rationalizing that the sub worked, but it happened to me SO MANY times.
For example, RICH manifested $5k worth of gold coins I inherited, 2 DAYS after I ran rich, my mom gave me those. Coincidence? I think not.
Past was changed/revealed this way. Or the past is not as set in stone as we think. Or RICH just made something that already existed appear.
I don’t know. I just know the fact that RICH suddenly brought it about. I NEVER knew of anyone collecting gold coins in my family. And they weren’t rich, so this was weird. Weird as “coincidences” always are.
Or in other words, manifestations.
Currently enjoying damn near free public transport while running RICH. Yes it’s handwaveable, but I’m liking this particular coincidence.
Happy birthday! 
I have read lots of you saying that. but cant understand what this mean… Even if I like the idea 
I dont want to sound funny but there is a definition of time, here an example
Definition of time
(Entry 1 of 3) 1a : the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues : duration. b : a nonspatial continuum that is measured in terms of events which succeed one another from past through present to future.
I understand the perception of time may vary from one person to another but it is only perception/focus because the independant clock will show the same time spent.
Besides nobody has never grow younger, or gone back it time.
(dont want to hijack the thread of course)
Imagine it like “cause and effect” but in both directions of time.
Where each moment in time implies not only the future events which flow from it. But also implies which “past” events had to be present to converge into that moment.
Since the only moment of “time” we actually have access to us now, if we do stuff to change something about this current moment. The future will obviously change, but it would also change “past” events around to now support this new moment.
It’s a trippy mindfuck.
And here you have spelled out the precise limits of this debate.
Because we can then ask:
“Show to whom?”
Who, in our scenario, is watching this so-called ‘independent clock’?
Is it a person (or persons)?
(Probably, yes)
And does this person—similar to all persons—operate vis-à-vis habitual patterns of perception and consciousness?
(Again, probably, yes)
Thus, there is no independent clock.
Rather, there is an external reference point for systemically-generated perceptual processes.
To put it in everyday terms, ‘the clock that you’re seeing outside of you is actually being experienced (and generated) inside of you’.
I’m not saying ‘There is no reality outside of our minds’. That statement strikes me, personally, as inaccurate and as also rather self-important.
But what I am saying is that if there is an objective reality, then you and I—We, humans—are not particularly well-qualified or well-equipped to comment on it.
Consider also that, as recently as one millennium ago, in the same way that the ‘forward march of time’ today appears to be so unequivocal, unidirectional, and irreversible; a very similar view would have been applied, by many people, to the direction: ‘UP’.
The very reasonable notion that ‘There is UP and there is DOWN; and all significantly mass-bearing objects that go UP (in the air) must sooner or later come DOWN.’
That view would have been simple common sense to the majority of people—educated and uneducated alike.
These could actually be happening constantly. And probably are.
If the entire Cosmos were to, simultaneously, ‘reverse in time’, including your memory, how would you even know that it had happened?
If the entire Cosmos were to ‘pause’, including your sensations, perceptions, and constituent processes, again, how would we know?
We use memory and perceived contrast to establish a flow of time. Our perceptions of Time are thus subject to the limitations of our Memories and of our Awarenesses.
(Which may start to suggest why people—once they have begun to work significantly with their awarenesses and to cultivate developments in awareness—often begin to report quite unusual changes in the ways that they are experiencing time, space, and phenomenological orientation.)
I’ve experienced things that could be explained as really remarkable coincidences, but could also be explained as echoes from the future. There are certain days where I wake up feeling a certain way, and the feeling grows until it meets the event, circumstance, etc that is a cause for that feeling.
I don’t mean I was in a bad mood and later got into an argument because of something I said, I’m talking more like a growing sense of unease, leading to just plain WRONG, culminating with a phone call that someone close to me has passed away unexpectedly, for example.
For me, it’s not merely an indicator of whether something unusually good or bad will happen that day, but rather more a reflection of how I’ll generally feel after the event has settled. If something bad happens but I deal with it or feel at peace with it, then I’m fine… if it really bothers me, not so much.
That’s probably annoyingly vague, but the best way I’ve come to understand it is… yeah, echoes of emotions, from the near future. Does that make sense scientifically? Maybe, but probably not… Is it useful to me? Sometimes… other days I just worry, wondering what is coming my way, if I woke up feeling off… 
I’m generally pretty clueless about it and then the connection just comes and slaps me from out of nowhere; similar to how I experience sub results.
I think the flows and connections are happening constantly; but I only notice when the Cosmos dumbs things down and makes things obvious enough for me.
There’s this interesting feedback loop going on when it comes to running subs in that it is in your best interest to credit as much as possible to the sub, as that will subconsciously allow you to benefit greater from the sub.
The opposite is also true, where claiming coincidence genuinely hurts your overall subliminal usage and leads to stone-walling. You ideally want to be as receptive to the subliminal programming as possible, and even if the results seem coincidental they are still results and that’s what counts.
^Sidenote to my previous comment (and off-topic), but the combination of product design and marketing to create something that borderline forces its users to give great feedback is truly a feat of genius on the part of SC.
Suppose there are 2 results. Result A is due to the subliminal. And result B is not.
What happens when we handwave away both results? You will experience a decrease in results similar to that of A.
What happens when you credit both results to the subliminal? You get more results like A. Sure you can be wrong and considered delusional about result B but it doesn’t hurt to be so. You only encourage your subconscious to manifest more results in your favor.
PS: all the RICH manifestations makes me wanna run RICH. And ask for RICH Experimental.