I want to give my parents the benefits of Paragon but there is no way they will buy that listening to an audio could potentially help with their ailments. So I was thinking I would play the ultrasonic on bluetooth speaker while they are sleeping. But I don’t know whether that works or not on ZP. I would like to know if anyone on the forum has done the same and saw results.
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I think it would work vest when sleeping, because your conscious might is not active during sleep, only the subconscious.
So there will be less resistence.
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Are you planning to do this without them knowing?
Not saying you are. Just making sure 
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Yes I am. Explaining it to them would be too much of trouble and I know they will neither buy it nor try it.
There are ethical considerations with the plan. That’s all I’ll say.
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I think it’s important to get consent first before playing subliminal audio messages around other people. I made the mistake of doing this once with my bf when we started dating & he had a really adverse effect after it. Thought he was going crazy.
Everyone responds differently to them, especially with no previous experience with subs or subconscious work.
Have you tried sharing other peoples experiences with them?
Edit: I do think they would work while sleeping though.
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There are but it is really the only way I see.
What did you play to him?
DR1 & LBFH experimental 
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Then, Of course he had that kind of reaction
if you play that stack to someone for the first time that’s just a given.
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It’s a nice gesture to take care of your parents by making them listen to it, but keep in mind that they too would face a reconciliation without knowing it and I don’t know if it could be more intense since they didn’t choose to use that sub (already it’s hard to deal with it normally lol), I think that only Saint and Fire can answer you this question.
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Imagine this. A well-intending friend or family member exposed you to some kind of treatment you knew nothing of, and that person told you afterward. How would you react to that? Would you feel cared for? Or experimented on?
True, it might have been beneficial for all we can speculate. But even if it in the end lead to a positive outcome for you, would you really trust that person again, having gone behind your back? And with something that deals with your subconscious mind, to boot?
Would you feel that you could trust that person as he/she overreached and invaded the core of your innermost personal integrity, which is your very own subconscious mind? How would you feel if you found to someone was poking at the insides of your mind, no matter their intentions?
I understand your desire to help your parents this way very well. I feel the same about mine. And many others of my friends and family members. I try to talk to them. Rave about SubClub. Show them the free stuff. Make them understand what a unique gift of alchemical prowess these audio files truly are…
But at the end of the day, we must respect other people’s sovereignty over their own minds and free will, and especially so of other people’s sub/unconscious mind - which sits at the very seat of who we are.
If you want them to try, talk about how these subs are helping you and that you just want them to try for a limited time.
But for the love of all that is subliminal please do not expose them to it without consent!
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I get what your saying, but I am looking for an answer to if anyone has done it.
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Good.
Apologies if I seemed a bit harsh, but I think this is really important 
As for the question, if ZPv2 works when sleeping, I would argue yes they do. But the key point then is to make sure they don’t replay, as to make you listen to ZPv2 titles for some 8 hours. That’s bound to mess anyone up for sure.
You could always try to sell it as a “meditation” session, while also explaining the potential benefits of the title itself (so they are informed). Meditation as a concept is easier to embrace for people, more so than subliminals.
And heck, you could even try to do it together with them a couple of times!
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I’m visiting my parents next week, @Detective_L and I’m planning to buy and play Paragon and Paragon Sleep for them too.
Approach it as a PR project and exercise your empathy. That’s my opinion.
How would you need to explain the programs to your parents in a way that would be easiest for them to appreciate and receive?
Maybe they’re not the science types, and so they would be turned off by the scientific style of explanation.
Or maybe they’re super-science types and may consider this to be ‘pseudoscience’.
Maybe they would relate to it better as a kind of cutting-edge relaxation soundtrack.
There are many different ways to frame it that would still be true.
Either way, however you choose to frame and package it, at the very least there should be the understanding that: 1) I’m going to be playing this thing for you, and 2) It can have a (beneficial) impact on you.
I’d add in, 1) you won’t hear anything and 2) a lot of people are finding it really helpful.
If they refuse, respect them. But let them know that if they change their minds, you would really like for them to try it. And then ask them again later.
And then you won’t have to worry about the karma of waking up to someone you love injecting you with some beneficial drug that ‘you wouldn’t understand’.
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Sure that might just work. Thank you.
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@Malkuth Thank you for the comment. Will try to do that.
Also please write about your PR project when it is done. If I somehow fail in convincing them maybe I will learn something from your experience.
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Now that I think of it is one hell of a coincidence that @Malkuth and @Athanaxos both wrote the exact same advice in a way.
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Yes.
You could even do it with them.
Remember that it works perfectly fine behind any other activity. Not while driving or operating heavy machinery, just in case. But while at dinner, while watching TV, or just sitting around.
So it’s pretty flexible.
Haha. And at the same time too, apparently!
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