I’ve been thinking about this lately after bringing attention to my own comfort zone with things. I’ve burned myself more times than I can count upping my exposure when I wasn’t ready for it. But it’s left me overly cautious which is also a problem. I’m wondering if any of you who have stayed on 30s to 1min of sub exposure notice the results gradually leveling off at a certain point? It’s hard to describe but I feel like I still get benefits, it just seems like refinement of changes that have already taken place. It gets to a point where I wonder if it’s just internal procrastinating, like trying to improve myself so I’m ready and prepared for bigger changes but the preparation doesn’t seem to end. Hmmm.
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I’ve been using WB for <15s for almost half a year.
No plateau yet.
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I haven’t stayed long enough at a single listening time of a single title to have made that experience, but here is my guess as to why you might feel a plateau, based on a post from Saint in the LB thread
My guess is that, since you say
It might mean that you have mastered the basics presented in these 30 seconds to 1 minutes and so are just refining your understanding of these basics at that point?
It feels to me that you already know this however, since you said yourself that you’re ready and prepared for bigger changes 
You previously burnt yourself upping your exposure before you were ready, but is that still the same situation now? 
To me, I find echo slightly in that part of Saint’s answer too
Saint also burnt himself with Calculus I, yet once he mastered Brief Calculus he was able to master the more complex Calculus I and touch upon Calculus II 
Since you mastered that part of the script, wouldn’t you then be able to take one more complex notions further on in the script?
Henceforth, maybe tackling some issues presented in deeper parts of the script that you couldn’t handle before but can handle now with the tools/concepts you mastered?
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I remember running WB in various customs over 9 or 10 months and the loop length stayed the same
It did feel like refinement going on but it did feel fun because it was like attempting mastery of a subject
Also, I think you’re running regeneration which I’m probably guessing is telling you where you’ve gone too far and where you’re being cautious
So in a way trying to tell you your next sweet spot
For me it feels like I’m getting a nudge in a direction when these things happen
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The preparation stage is the most important. Everyone wants to skip ahead and get better results now. But the people who get the absolute best results are the ones who spent an incredible amount of time on foundations. All future results are built upon the foundation. The stronger the foundation, the better the future results.
Personally, I would reframe “overly cautious” to “achieving complete mastery of the foundational work.” When the foundational stage is over, you will absolutely know. If there is doubt or questioning, that could be your intuition letting you know that the foundational work is not completed enough for you to proceed.
Realistically, “foundational work” never quite ends and there may come a time where you feel you must move on. Just be skillful about it. Return back to the foundational work from time to time.
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Why wouldn’t you move on upper?
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Not @Viktor but I’m starting to think why not keep having consistent wins over and over at a loop length I am happy with instead of increasing
If I can have results at 10s or 3 minutes as an example why increase
That’s the point right? Results
It’s a thought I’ve been mulling over recently
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I don’t think there’s, as long as you’re listening to the sub, you’re leveling up in that direction
What does “leveling off” mean?
Are the results remaining that you already have?
How are you measuring results?
Are there tangible results that another could see or hear, such as if someone was watching a movie of your life, would they be able to see or hear the changes you are experiencing?
What do you mean by refinement?
How are refinement of changes and leveling off of results related?
Thanks for this post, I really needed it.
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I’m moving up, just veeeery slowly.
I didn’t go past 8s for the first 3 months, now i’m on my way to pass 15s.
There are a few reasons, but to put it shortly, i get great results with great balance at this listening length. I find it unnecessary to move up quickly. This is already potent enough as is.
The real progress is in the real world. This loop length is enough to give me meaningful progress & results in my life.
I’m also starting to bring everything in my stack shorter and i’m having great results from them.
Exactly.
I think the point is to get to 15m at some point still, but there’s no rush to get there as long as you’re at your sweet spot.
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With 6 minutes of paragon i wont notice but with 7 i do and 7 minutes of spartan i get same day results but noticed it fade towards the end of the day and day after so now im trying 10 minutes spartan to see if the affects stay longer
Im sure its already been said that microloops results integrate faster and wear off faster
Wouldnt it make sense to listen to microloops and then maybe once a month listen to the full loop to get the full exposure? Basically seeing the deepest level helps with the foundation
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+1 on this question.
I understand this would cause a-lot of recon, as I have played full loops before.
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Is it not beneficial to push the subconscious abit harder every once in a while to break through those big blocks?
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In my understanding (correct me if I am wrong) playing slightly longer loops you will get deeper parts of the script you may not be ready for and will cause recon and take longer to integrate. With shorter loops you get the less intense scripting that can integrate faster with less/no recon.
Does this mean It is a balance between long term gains with recon and shorter term gains with no recon between longer loops and micro loops? Or is exposing yourself to longer loops just completely useless?
Ive found my recon sweet spot is around 2-3 min on most subs ive tried. Some I can play 8-10 min with no recon at all. And while doing this I am getting great fast results. Sometimes it feels as if I fully absorb a sub within 1-2 weeks of starting it.
Reading about others doing 7-15 second loops worries me that I am doing something completely wrong as Ive had a habit of pushing myself too much and being impatient. Cant tell if I am playing lawyer games anymore.
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I think you’re right. I guess I worry there’s a life I could be living and if I don’t challenge myself enough I’ll never get there. I’m forever terrified of making minor changes to my life that don’t break the overall cycle or system I’ve built for myself that causes misery. That fear can influence me to disregard intuition that points towards staying and building more of the foundation. And I stupidly assume that moving from 30s to 1min has some potential of hitting different structures of my mind that were necessary to cause a bigger shift and weren’t in the 30s.
Sort of what I said above. There’s change and it’s improvement. But not enough improvement to break out of persistent cycles I get trapped in. So at one point the changes I did make were new or different and impacted my life, but in an incremental way. And it’s like I’m looking for that next “step”. Leveling off means I don’t see anymore of those steps appearing in my life.
They are yes
Mostly by gauging my quality of life. Me and my therapist also keep track using a number scale of several points of difficulty in my life. But those are self reported which aren’t always accurate.
I also review older journals periodically. The intensity seems to go down, but overall patterns have not. Like I’ve written about things I struggled with almost 8 years ago that I could have written today. And they are deep painful topics, so likely trauma wounds.
And there are other more obvious ones. Like decrease in anxiety about going outside in public which is really apparent. Like I went to a crowded mall the other day, I wouldn’t have been able to do that 9 months ago without struggling really badly.
Maybe? My therapist has told me I am very different from when we first started our sessions. And I’d agree with him. But I kind of doubt the average person would notice any significant difference looking at my life because it’s still kind of a mess.
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The average person, unfortunately, is not here at Subliminal Club focusing on improving their lives to become legendary. You are.
Can you find where I noticed - sight unseen?
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Thank you. I don’t think I know the answer to that unfortunately.