Demand Avoidance - EE & RICH vs PRIMAL & Summertime!

@SaintSovereign
Regarding this, you mentioned to me a while back that you found it more effective to ‘work with’ your demand avoidance, as opposed to trying to ‘overcome’ it (I forget your exact words) and suggested I might try this approach.

At the time, I felt a strong mental resistance against this, because in my case, the demand avoidance is severe, to the point where it’s cost me my job on several occasions and pretty much everything I’ve ever wanted to do or achieve in life, I haven’t, despite being smart and having a lot of potential.
The moment I want to do something, my brain just moves away from that thing and avoids it massively, to the point where it’s even doing it unconsciously.

Also, in my case, the demand avoidance seems to be about that any demand feels like a threat and my already dysregulated nervous system just shuts down that demand immediately and gets my brain to ignore/avoid it. I do suffer from a lot of fearfulness and feeling unsafe and anxious. So I think nervous system safety is a factor, as well as just habits and framing that have built up over many years.

But I continued to reflect on your comment, and it got me to thinking.
I made a custom recently with Emperor Executive and RICH (latest versions), as I really need to sort out my financial situation and life generally.

My thinking was that, if I just run it and run it and do my best to force myself to take even small actions, eventually, it might either overcome my demand avoidance by brute force or by a change in identity from “I’m demand avoidant” to “I’m an action-taker” or something like that lol.

On the other hand, I ran EE for 3 months in the past, and nothing at all changed.
And so far, with my new run of EE and RICH, again, I’m feeling nothing and feeling unable to take any action, and then just mentally feeling worse and worse.

So I’m also worried that by using this kind of ‘brute force’ approach, all I’m going to be doing is just making my nervous system even more stressed and paralysing my results even more?

Conversely, and here’s where it relates to this thread, you got me thinking about whether there could be a way to approach things differently.

RIght now, I feel somewhat depressed, lacking hope or belief that I can change things, negative instead of positive, paralysed with inaction and with a mindset of scarcity and lack.

When I saw the PRIMAL title recently, these two features stood out to me immediately (especially the second one):
“Embrace complete nonchalance and enjoyment in all activities, especially social ones. Cultivate an attitude of ease and pleasure in everything you do, making your life a series of enjoyable moments.”

“Foster relaxed optimism and a sense that all is well, creating a life characterized by positivity and hope. Approach every situation with a mindset that sees opportunities for happiness and success.”

(NB: I also need masculine development and to get out more and be more social, start doing activities, dating and living life after years mostly housebound with chronic fatigue, so PRIMAL has lots of other appeal too)

So I got to thinking, what if I just ran this instead? Stop trying to force action and just do things because I enjoy them, and believe that I can be successful?

And now, with the new Summertime, what if I combined PRIMAL with Summertime in the same custom, adding in even more feelgood vibes and that powerful nervous system calming?
(other options would be PRIMAL & RICH, or Summertime & RICH)

Thinking that this could be an approach that might actually work a lot better, alongside trying to re-frame demands as adventures and opportunities for growth?

Your thoughts and advice on this would be helpful, as this is a huge deal for me and something I am set upon dealing with this year.

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My impression is that you are attempting to tackle too many things at once, thus feeding the demand avoidance. It is very likely that you are unconsciously taking the same approach to the subliminal script itself, subconsciously viewing the script as a “demand” and subsequently refusing to take any more action. This creates a feedback loop, where the demand avoidance is being reinforced by the very actions you’re taking to combat it.

In this situation, consider putting all the other goals on hold and if you continue to use subliminal audio to deal with this, simplifying and focusing your stack on just that issue. In this case, I would consider going deeper into the issue using Dragon Reborn: Regeneration + Summertime. No other goals other than exploring what this “demand avoidance” really is, because it shows up differently in people.

From what you’re describing, pushing harder against the demand avoidance very much reinforces it. You may not be able to overcome it through sheer will, and that striving also ramps up the nervous system, puts in constant stress mode. Which, again – I’ve read that chronic stress in the nervous system leads to decision fatigue, as well as “demand avoidance.”

A softer, unraveling approach may be necessary. And that would be a soft stack that will allow you to loosen the vigilance, the shutdown patterns. Dragon Reborn: Regeneration + Summertime.

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@SaintSovereign Firstly, huge thanks for the reply, and I hope I could trouble you for just one more! :pray:t2: :slight_smile:

I ran a DR: Regeneration & Love Bomb custom for several months. But I think because I’ve been struggling with depression and my life situation (and the felt need to change my situation through taking action), I found that I ended up feeling even more passive, introspective and unhappy when running that custom.

That’s down to my own situation and things; I’m not blaming DR: Reg for this!
But it’s kind of put me off DR: Reg, as I am tired of sitting at home being introverted and unhappy.
Right now, I just want to start living and enjoying life, and if I can get some stuff done towards my goals along the way, then great, but if not, at least I can just try to enjoy life as it is. And healing scarcity mindset and aligning myself with wealth is pretty non-threatening to me and aligned with what I want.

So, based on this, I’m thinking PRIMAL & RICH or PRIMAL & Summertime.

“Embrace complete nonchalance and enjoyment in all activities, especially social ones. Cultivate an attitude of ease and pleasure in everything you do, making your life a series of enjoyable moments.”

“Foster relaxed optimism and a sense that all is well, creating a life characterized by positivity and hope. Approach every situation with a mindset that sees opportunities for happiness and success.”

These two things from PRIMAL are like a beacon to me right now. It’s SO EXACTLY what I feel I want and need. I appreciate there’s a lot more to the title than that, but given that I also want to get out more, make new friends, dating, and develop more alpha male qualities instead of the current beta male ones, I think it seems like a pretty good fit.

I think you’re right about not trying to ‘brute force’ the demand avoidance.
Right now, I’m just so fed up, unsatisfied and unhappy, I just want to break free and enjoy life again.

My custom idea was pretty simple:

PRIMAL
RICH (or Summertime)
Essence: Become the Prize

Synergy: Carpe Vitam
Experimental Anti Recon
Experimental Adaptive Scripting

The only other things I’ve considered adding are Synergy: Voice is the Law and/or Virtuoso di Musica, as I want to get back into playing guitar and singing (which is in itself quite therapeutic and happiness-generating for me). :slight_smile:

One final option is PRIMAL & Wanted, since I ran Wanted from Sep '25 -Jan '26, so I guess that scripting will be familiar. And plus, I get excited and happy about running this combo; doesn’t feel like any demand at all (compared with running a title where I know it’s going to make me do things I might feel uncomfortable with).

Thoughts/suggestions? :slight_smile: