also，I dont think is normal…I just understand the necessity…anyway，we digress away too far from the OP…and we are really close to violate the Campfire policy （we are not allowed to talk about Politics and religion subject too much ）I guess we are just not that freed as we would like to ？anyway it is nice to talk to you…if you want to continue the chat ，we could do PM… 
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This thread has gone off the rails. Closing until morning when I can clean it up. Take the politics elsewhere. This is neutral ground.
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