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[RockyHandsome]

Nope never ever used regeneration.

[pacman]

Sorry @DarkPhilosopher
One last question here.
@Malkuth
@SubliminalUser
From what i read its best to keep a healing sub lifelong?
Example khan stage 1 or regeneration aloneside let say emperor or khan stage 2 etc…?

[SubliminalUser]

Example khan stage 1 or regeneration aloneside let say emperor or khan stage 2 etc…?

I think it’s good to have the healing sub with you when you need healing-centric phases, but not necessarily in the stack all the time. If that was the case then Khan ST4 would definitely have ST1 in it (a point we STILL don’t know the answer to…)

[Malkuth]

From what i read its best to keep a healing sub lifelong?

I’d say it’s good to use it periodically over the course of your life, but not constantly without breaks.

In other words, I agree with @SubliminalUser

I see the Healing subs as similar to Stretching, Softening and Flexibility/Pliability work (in other words, Relaxation and Expansion Work) in physical training. You want to do that periodically, but not at the exact same time as when you’re doing Contraction and Resistance Work. That would be counterproductive. They’re two ends of the spectrum.

Contraction is not bad; excessive, chronic contraction is bad. Fixation by itself is not bad either. That means you can remain constant and focused. Excessive fixation is bad. (i.e., you can’t change even when it’s the right time to do so.)

Another example: Writing. You allow yourself to write freely and to get your points out. Then you go back and revise and edit. The revision and editing is like the Healing phase. (Yes, it’s usually phase 1, but that’s because you’ve been writing and expressing for your whole life before you began the program.) Once you’ve cleaned things up and clarified your structure and your content, then you can get back into writing and expressing again. Contract. Expand. Contract. Expand.

If you try to revise and write at the same time: Writer’s Block.

So, just as subliminaluser says: you alternate phases of Building and Healing, depending on what you need.

But don’t be overly-literal in interpreting this. You could be in the Building phase with one life project (Romance and Relationships) while at the same time you’re in the Healing phase with another (Wealth and Finance). The exact timing is up to you (and life).

[Leandros]

If you think you have nothing to heal you don’t do healing subs.

If you think you have–you do

Its that simple

[Soar]

After giving you guys answers I definitely see that my desire for a healing sub is large enough to warrant starting with that.

Do you know of a user on this forum (or other) who also had some issue imaginably preventing him from going after what he wanted, started with a healing sub, healed, and then proceeded to go full ahead for what he really wanted in the first place?

[Leandros]

Do you know of a user on this forum (or other) who also had some issue imaginably preventing him from going after what he wanted, started with a healing sub, healed, and then proceeded to go full ahead for what he really wanted in the first place?

Yup.
Me
I am on the way

[Malkuth]

Malkuth:

What happens a week after someone stops a subliminal after having felt no results?

Rhetorical though it may be, I do not give up on subs. I do, however, switch them up every now and then, usually because I feel mentally “bored” with the same message over and over or because I have a good reasoning.

To name an example in this case, I had BLU and Executive stacked every morning, but never experienced the cognitive boost that everybody describes.

Since BLU and Executive both have a push to do stuff and although I was not able to find the time to do everything I wanted to do, I dropped BLU for a while. Then about two weeks later my mind suddenly became hyper-accelerated, with faster response times, a higher ability to solve puzzles and the general feeling that I’m doing more in less time.

Similar things happened with seduction subs, where nothing happened while running them, but weeks after I suddenly got a burst of being very extrovert and social.

One could say it’s reconciliation or the time a sub needs to be processed, but since I never stopped listening but switched to a different subliminal regimen, I would argue I’m still loading my subconscious with messages so it’s not getting a break to deal with the old stuff.

Actually, what you detail there sounds (to me) like exactly what I was describing (or close to it).

Basically, it sounds like your conscious intentionality is so strong that, should you choose, it can block the action of the subconscious.

When your conscious focus shifts to some thing else, the subconscious is freed to introduce things more freely into your life.

It’s probably difficult for various reasons for your conscious aspect to release the reins for a while and to allow the subconscious to run the show a bit. The issue there is TRUST. It’s really okay. Just probably tiring at times. It sounds like you’re very much used to it.

I do not give up on subs.

That was in quotes. I didn’t really mean give up on the sub. I meant give up on demanding results from the subs. Basically, relaxation. Whether due to release or due to exhaustion (and boredom).

Hence why I next wrote:

They let go of the expectation and need for results.

What I really mean is that the intensity of vigilance and scrutiny (i.e., conscious supervision) is decreased.

You seem highly intellectual, in the sense of having a great ability and/or tendency to apply abstract analytical frames to mediate and cope with experiences and phenomena. Your intellect and analytical tendency seems to be an important part of the armor that allows you to survive in and navigate through the world. That style of coping tends to emphasize rational distance over proximal contact and engagement. This might be an over-generalization, but I trust that you can take or leave what I’m describing here as makes sense to you.

That intellectual, analytical style likely creates a buffer zone around the soft, vulnerable center of your feeling and subconscious mind. This jibes well with that ‘delay period’ that you describe between first exposing yourself to the subliminal and then later experiencing results. You seem comfortable enough with that (or at the very least, resigned to it), so might as well just incorporate it as part of your strategy.

For example, set up a rotation schedule amongst 2 to 3 contrasting programs. Put your focus on one program for 4-6 weeks (or 6-8 weeks, or 2-4 weeks, whatever makes sense to you). Then whether you’ve observed results or not shift your focus to the next program.

If you combine that kind of strategy with a Conscious Intention of welcoming the subliminal and willingly conveying it to its destination in the subconscious, that will probably be good.

The delay part is not so much the absorbing of the message, it’s the bit about relinquishing some more power to the subconscious to build the message into your life. That involves getting past your ‘censors’. But if your censors are focused on something else for the moment, that might create more of a window for the subconscious to do its part.

[RVconsultant]

@RockyHandsome

Thanks for clarifying!

[DarkPhilosopher]

has RegenerationQ + Elixir worked for you for what you want?

I have never listened to either, I like to believe I’m perfect already.

there is no such thing as perfect beings.

Hey! Speak for yourself!

Two winks already, I’m rapidly running out of emojis.

‘Healing’, in this context, does not mean to become perfect or without issues or blemishes. It is referring to the release of rigid fixation, in general or around a particular issue; the ability to pivot smoothly; to be flexible, agile, and adaptive; not stuck or fixed.

If I continue with a particular response or action due not to present conditions but rather in response to a past experience of overwhelming or painful discomfort or in anxious fear of an anticipated pain, then I can be said to be unhelpfully or dysfunctional ‘fixated’.

So-called Healing subliminals help with that.

I have the same definition. Sometimes we just run into a wall that would take standard tools forever to chip away. In that case, getting out the power tools would be more effective.

We set our own goals for subs. When it comes to the healing subs, our goal could be a specific issue, or it could be more open minded, broad-spectrum. In the first case it’s the power tools, in the second it’s more like removing the stuff that doesn’t belong, filling up the holes and giving it all a smooth polish after so our life’s journey is more comfortable to walk.

We don’t all have the luxury like Saint to design our own power tools for the job at hand, so SubClub created a toolbox that contains the most common tools and let’s you and your subconscious figure out which tools to use.

The toolbox that comes with the core modules of most subs may only contain 35 tools, but Regen may very well have one of those 175-piece trolleys. Handy for those issues where the 36th tool is exactly what you needed.

There has been a recent wave of many people exclusively using RegenerationQ + Elixir, almost as if it’s a new meme. Yes, I understand that Elixir was recently updated. However, I have not seen a sub-trend like this before in my entire listening history. Why is this?

I noticed that too, especially with Elixir. Regen was not getting a lotta love before. Now finally journals and reviews are popping up.

It could be because many people are working more on themselves during COVID, it could be that Saint periodically pops his head in to say he just experienced the most intense healing he’s ever had. Or both. Or neither.

Whatever the case, I like it. And I readily admit this trend is part of the reason (if not the main one) why I’m now so interested in the idea of a healing sub. Before I was all about focusing on what I want and frack the healing. Who cares about healing, right?

But now I’m starting to consider seeing where it would lead me. What if there are things that are not important for wealth, relationships or even spirituality, but did get stuck in the darker recesses of my mind? The topical subs would not fix those because they don’t need to to accomplish their goals.

But what if fixing those would allow me to gain wisdom, or to absorb subs faster? What if there’s something keeping me from taking action? Should I have Executive repeatedly use my head as a battering ram until I’m through?

What I’m trying to say is… crap, I forgot.

In the meanwhile, they take on the identity of the one who needs to be healed. Ironically, by doing so one may not ever move on from the healing stage.

There is truth in this statement. If we believe in the universal law of “like attracts like” then if you run a healing sub because you want to be healed would indicate to the universe that you desire something to heal. And the universe is happy to give it to you.

I propose that the solution is to become okay with the situation as is.

For me, the terms of “being okay” and “accepting” have a very different meaning and this statement hit a sore spot. Too many people staying in bad circumstances saying “it’s okay, it could be worse.”

I am never “okay” with where I am. I may accept where I am and forgive myself for not being where I wish to be, but I still demand excellence. There is always the next goal, the next evolution. I can’t see the second mountain until I’m standing on the summit of the first.

I dislike competing with others, but I always compete with myself, curious if I can break my own records, if there is something more I can accomplish.

Much like how a parent can continue to love their child unconditionally when they do something bad, but still be very disappointed because they expected better, I can accept that (for example) my fitness level or my social skills are not where I would like them to be and as a result I don’t feel negatively about those things (the serenity to accept the past that I can no longer change). But I’m certainly not okay with it (after all, I have the power to change the things I can, like my present and future).

Back to Dark Philosopher’s original posts, which are the actual point of this whole thread.

Thank you! Although it’s a very interesting discussion.

He does not seem to be stumbling into the Healing Trap that you and FireintheSoul are describing. He’s got an open mind, and will learn from his various subliminal experiments.

Exactly! I’m not claiming I need healing. I’m saying I’m running into some things I cannot clearly define the cause/origin of and I am curious to experience the effects of a subliminal where the focus is on finding the stuff I may not be aware of or that I find irrelevant. A sub that cleans out all the gunk, even the stuff I myself find irrelevant.

In the end, a healing sub is still a script with suggestions, questions and affirmations. Whatever Fire put into it, he meant for it to work on all kind of stuff that I hadn’t even considered but that in his experience and research helps people grow. We should remember a lot of work went into that script, whatever it may contain.

That’s not time-sensitive. Just a suggestion for you to consider.

I do sing occasionally, when my throat is cooperating enough that I can stay on pitch. Would love to learn how to sing better.

I also want to learn piano still, and drawing. Still trying to find the time, since they’re not considered a priority.

Maybe a healing sub can help me turn those marble walls into Michaelangelo’s statues by chipping away everything that doesn’t belong.

It may actually be those walls stunt my creativity a lot. I’ve been learning some shamanic skills like journeying and every time I’m imagining myself traveling beyond my physical body my inner Spock throws Scorpion’s spear into me and goes “Get over here!”

Yes, all references in the above paragraph are intentional.

From what i read its best to keep a healing sub lifelong?

I’m pretty much of the same mind as Malkuth in this. I would say you run a healing sub periodically as you reach new levels in your development. Both to see what happens and to make you comfortable at that place.

There’s a program by iAwake called PMP (RVConsultant is familiar with it I believe). In it you run the brainwave entrainment for a a while and at some point it may exhaust your mind. Then you run the included recovery tracks, which serve to gently massage the brain and make it ready for another burst.

Maybe healing subs are like that. Every once in a while the sub you’ve been running feels mentally exhausting or plateaus out, so you run a healing sub for a while, get comfortable, then go back to the other one or a new one.

This does not mean you should run healing subs on your rest days. Healing subs are still subs.

I may start with a healing sub, then add the wealth sub in a month or two, then drop the healing sub a month or two after. Depends on the experience.

Do you know of a user on this forum (or other) who also had some issue imaginably preventing him from going after what he wanted, started with a healing sub, healed, and then proceeded to go full ahead for what he really wanted in the first place?

None come to mind, although I vaguely remember a discussion between a user and AMASH about this. Still, if I’m approaching this from a place of curiosity, does it matter? If it does absolutely nothing in 2-3 months, I move on. On the other hand, if I experience even a fraction of what some of the recent reviews are posting, it’ll be an exciting journey.

Or in terms I know you’ll understand: designing and running a healing sub to see what happens is the most exciting thing among all my choices right now.

Basically, it sounds like your conscious intentionality is so strong that, should you choose, it can block the action of the subconscious.

Yup, and he doesn’t always like it. His response varies between going along with it to passive aggressively telling me it’s my funeral. It even sometimes creates those fun deer-in-headlights moments of dissonance. Kind of funny. The advantages of having a decent line of communication.

Now if only he would tell me where I put the 200 strips of Velcro cable ties. I could swear he’s hiding them on purpose. I misplaced the first 100, ordered 100 more and proceeded to misplace those as well.

It’s probably difficult for various reasons for your conscious aspect to release the reins for a while and to allow the subconscious to run the show a bit. The issue there is TRUST. It’s really okay. Just probably tiring at times. It sounds like you’re very much used to it.

I’ve been learning this with psychedelics. It’s unfortunate that I need them to comprehend what it feels like to hand over the reins, but it seems to be working to a degree in helping me consciously understand my body and mind won’t turn into something unrecognizable. So far I have been able to let go conscious control of my breathing (yes, I can will my breathing to stop until I pass out, although I haven’t tried since I was in my teens) and my body. Sensory input is still being screened, as is sense of identity.

Of course, the guy that sells me the stuff still can’t understand the sheer amount it takes to even get me in the car, let alone go on a trip. What gives most of his clients a trip to outer space merely gives me a laughing fit. And he’s extensively studied the human body and it’s chemical factory.

I didn’t really mean give up on the sub. I meant give up on demanding results from the subs.

Ah, I thought it meant sub-jumpers (you know who you are). No results fast enough, let’s try a new sub. My mistake.

You seem highly intellectual, in the sense of having a great ability and/or tendency to apply abstract analytical frames to mediate and cope with experiences and phenomena. Your intellect and analytical tendency seems to be an important part of the armor that allows you to survive in and navigate through the world. That style of coping tends to emphasize rational distance over proximal contact and engagement . This might be an over-generalization, but I trust that you can take or leave what I’m describing here as makes sense to you.

Ah, the bane of my existence and relationships. I always say I would very well on Vulcan.

One time while still living on the street I was threatened by somebody that could kill me any moment and instead of panicking my mind went like one goes in an airplane, carefully planning the most efficient exit route. The adrenaline and my heart were going overtime, but a witness told me afterwards that my pupils were the only sign I experienced anything at all. That probably saved my life, nobody expects their target to come running at them.

Anyways, that last part of your message makes a lot of sense for me. Like I wrote to pacman above, I already do a medium term rotation because my mind get “bored” after a while and I need a little shock to the system.

I also have an affirmation that I gratefully welcome and accept any and all positive changes the subs are meant to instill in me. Have had that since I started with “the other guy’s” subs, which gave me a headache at the exact point in the track every single time. Presumably the AP code hitting my walls. For the record, I purchased the sub, my mind just doesn’t like it telling me I might have done otherwise and what I should do if I had. Thank you SubClub for taking a better approach.

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Now, what to do…

Oh, right! The Natal chart for Hermit and a list of modules for me. Having read all this stuff about me, anybody care to venture which “healing” modules to pick already?

[James]

, I like to believe I’m perfect already

I think the word you’re looking for is delusional

[DarkPhilosopher]

Sorry? I don’t have a dictionary nearby. De-lusional? I don’t know that word.

[James]

[DarkPhilosopher]

I just love the phonetic spelling…

Well, that would take imagination. And since I’ve already indicated that’s not my strongest skill, it is so much easier to simply be perfect rather than believe myself to be so. Less effort. Delusional is not for lazy people.

PS One nasty poke at my self-esteem is quite enough.

[James]

One nasty poke at my self-esteem is quite enough

What? When? Where?

[DarkPhilosopher]

@Hermit

Name	Sign	House	Deg	Name	Sign	Deg
Sun	Sagittarius	10	18.6°	Ascendant	Aquarius	20.7°
Moon	Capricorn	12	21.7°	House 2	Aries	21.5°
Mercury	Sagittarius	9	7.1°	House 3	Taurus	23.6°
Venus	Scorpio	8	20.3°	House 4	Gemini	14°
Mars	Capricorn	11	14.1°	House 5	Cancer	1.2°
Jupiter	Libra	7	7.3°	House 6	Cancer	20.2°
Saturn	Libra	7	8.4°	House 7	Leo	20.7°
Uranus	Scorpio	9	27.2°	House 8	Libra	21.5°
Neptune	Sagittarius	10	22.2°	House 9	Scorpio	23.6°
Pluto	Libra	8	23.7°	MC	Sagittarius	14°
North Node	Leo	6	12°	House 11	Capricorn	1.2°
Lilith	Libra	8	27.8°	House 12	Capricorn	20.2°

That should be the correct time. Want to know the aspects too?

Every time I look at that table I wonder which twelve of the Battlestar Galactica colonies I came from.

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Oh, and to nobody in particular, I will run some Elixir + Regen this week while we build that custom. See if that already does something.

[DarkPhilosopher]

Well, I spent hours yesterday going through every module and ended up with about 70 modules that have a place in healing. Now to start narrowing it down.

In the meantime I am following the earlier suggestion to listen to Elixir and Regeneration. Elixir made me smile yesterday. A lot.

[Leandros]

Pick the modules you want to avoid😉
They are the most important

[DarkPhilosopher]

None, I wantssss them all, my preciousss…

I’m gonna need people’s help soon enough getting it down to at least 20 modules or this custom will be released around the same time Avatar 2 hits the cinemas.

[Trader]

Do you have room in the budget for 2 customs? a multi-stage healing custom could be what the Doctor (or at least the Darkie) ordered.

I’m planning out a “SuperLearning” custom which may very well end up being a 2-stager.