Can ZP Titles Be Used On An As Needed Basis?

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#1

My understanding of this article Zero Point Listening Instructions - Subliminal Club Support Hub is that for Zero Point you basically have to commit to a program for 21 days.

I prefer the way ultimas work where you can listen on an as needed basis and get results.

Can i ignore the above article and use ZP titles like ultimas and still get good results?

for example, I have had great results using LIbertine ultima or Primal Seduction Ultima 2-3 hours before going clubbing, could I use libertine ZP and Primal Seduction ZP the same way and get even better results or i should just stick to the ultima if i want to use it like that?

another example, diamond ultima was meant to be used 1-2 hours before sex but now it seems for diamond ZP you would have to use it for 21 days. can i use diamond ZP only 1-2 hours before sex and get even better results then diamond ultima?

basically, I am very happy with my results using ultimas on an as needed basis and im planning to just keep using ultimas unless i can use ZP files the same way and get even better results.

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#2

The answer is, not really. Saint will have instructions for using “booster” titles but this has not been determined yet. The Zero Point Preview is supposed to give SC more information to answer this.

You CAN do this, that much is true. ZP acts fast, therefore you can time it like this. The problem is throwing ZP titles as a “booster” into an established 3-title ZP stack.

#3

what are booster titles?

I know what ultimas are like libertine and diamond and i know what major programs are like emperor. but no idea what boosters are.

#4

Just titles meant to boost results or performance in a particular domain in general. Ultimas were originally designated like this (though the line got blurred when it turns out some could have long term growth). In ZP, Qv2 and UltimaV2 merge into one format again, so in theory a ZP title could be a main OR a booster.

But the current listening recommendations don’t accommodate the case of “let me throw this title in for this one specific situation and then not use it again for a while” very well. SC’s looking to figure out how to do that.

So in sum: If you want to heavily work around the booster approach where your stack may be changing very frequently, stick with Qv2/Ultima v2 for now. The ZP titles are effectively in public testing mode (it just started today)!

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#5

let me be more specific.

right now, 2-3 times per week i will listen to 2 loops of either libertine or primal seduction ultima around 2 hours before i go clubbing.

I am VERY happy with my results doing this.

my question is can i listen to libertine ZP or Primal Seduction ZP 2 hours before going clubbing on the weekends and get even better results then what im getting with ultimas?

Meaning i would ignore the ZP listening instructions and just use libertine ZP and Primal Seduction ZP like im currently using libertine ultima and Primal Seduction ultima.

would doing this get me even better results then the results im getting with the ultimas?

hope this clears up what im asking here

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#6

this answers my question.

thank you.

hopefully the admins will share their thoughts on this as well.

surely im not the only one who is thinking about this and im sure someone in the previous round of testing tried using them the way i want.

#7

Try it out. Run the ZP instead of ultima prior to going out. See what happens.

Public preview/testing started just today so we can’t answer that yet.

I can tell you that ZP starts working for me right away.

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#8

Some of the people here who have the badge “Researcher - Zero Point Project 2021” will be able to tell you that people did in fact try this out :-).

A simpler example, today I woke up in the morning, ran WANTED ZP which got myself energized in minutes, took some caffeine and crushed my HIIT cardio workout!

However, SC’s being relatively strict with recommendations because of how powerful these tools have become. People who don’t follow the recommendations risk having great recon. I can tell you that recon is not fun to be in…

@MadaraUchiha that said, you could contribute to the public preview/testing data by trying out this approach (knowing the risks behind it) and journaling it on this forum so that Saint/Fire understand better this method!

#9

yeah thats a good point.

Unless the admins say its a bad idea then i will try it with Primal Seduction ZP this weekend before going out.

I used Primal Seduction Ultima a lot last week so it will be a good comparison.

Hopefully libertine ZP is released soon as well.

#10

FYI I’m also going to do something similar—I’ve got a 1:1 meetup on a weekend and I plan to run PS ZP close to that meetup time. So we’re in this together! :slight_smile:

#11

Im waiting for Saint/Fire to post here but yeah unless they advise against it then yeah i will try this approach this weekend and share the data here.

#12

Keep in mind you experience a hellacious bloom from any Q or Ultima you ran during the week

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#13

@MadaraUchiha could you post what a week’s listening schedule would look like if you used the ZP titles you want to use? That would help us here in understanding whether it’s risky or not

#14

I have ran sex mastery and iron throne as my main programs this week.

I always run 1 or 2 main program during the week and then use my ultimas before going out on the weekends.

and i usually switch my main programs every week. ’

honestly, im not sure the main programs do anything as i get great results with the ultimas on the weekend with or without using the main programs during the week.

#15

sure ill just share what i have done since Monday and how i would normally end the week.

Monday before work i listened to one loop of beyond limitless ultima.

Monday night i listened to 1 loop of iron throne main program

Monday before sleep i listened to 2 loops of sex mastery main program

Tuesday before work i listened to 1 loop of rich ultima

Today/Wednesday if ZP did not exist then i would listen to 1 loop of iron throne main program and 1 loop of sex mastery main program before going to sleep.

and normally i would also listen to either rich ultima or beyond limitless ultima before work today but i decided not to because i felt weird yesterday after rich so felt i needed less subliminals today.

normally Thursday to Saturday are my clubbing nights and its very simple. either libertine or Primal seduction ultima for 2 loops 2-3 hours before going out. works great for me. always has. always does. never both , just either of them. last week i went all 3 nights with Primal Seduction ultima so this week i was probably going to use libertine more. but again im very happy with both so does not really matter.

so my plan this week is to go with Primal Seduction ZP instead or libertine ZP if its released in next 2-3 days.

The other question im now considering is should i listen to iron throne and sex mastery main before going to sleep tonight like i would if ZP was not out.

as i said, i get great results with libertine ultima and seduction ultima on the weekends with or without these main programs during the week so i guess does not really matter.

#16

The main Q programs are for “deeper” programming in comparison to the Ultimas.

You’ll probably want at least one rest day between Q and ZP. That’s the recommendation anyway. But run ZP instead of the Ultima to see how it helps when you go out

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#17

yeah that seems wise.

so since i skipped my usual rich ultima before work today i could also skip iron throne and sex mastery main program before sleep tonight,

this would give me 1 day with nothing before i start ZP before going clubbing tomorrow.

im reluctant to skip sex mastery tonight though because i feel sex mastery will help my results with women even more. thanks to libertine and seduction ultima i have found myself in situations where i suspect i will soon find myself in situations where i have the opportunity to have sex with multiple women at once and while im confident in my sexual abilities 1 on1 i have noticed a parf of me is worried i would not perform well in a threesome/me and multiple girls situation so thats why i added sex mastery this week so i can be confident i can handle multiple girls.

if i remove sex mastery then going out this weekend i will still have that voice in the back of my head that is worried about performing well sexually no matter the situation.

i guess i could add diamond ZP this weekend but when i tasted diamond ultima with libertine ultima one night i was not happy with the results. multiple ultimas before clubbing does not seem to work as well as just one.

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#18

For the love of all Zero Point, do NOT mix PS ZP and PSU. Ya’ll don’t want to deal with that kinda smoke, I’m telling you. The recon is ferocious. That’s why we put warnings all inside the manual.

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#19

Stack DIAMOND ZP and PS ZP. You’ll be just fine. Your sexual partner will be too. :wink:
Diamond ZP’s script is completely different from Diamond Ultima. All of the scripts are different. We wrote them completely from scratch.

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#20

Since you liked using, Libertine, PS and DIAMOND, here is a way you can use all 3 of them to get the best results possible without worrying about Ultimas or ZP or anything else while following the Zero Point Listening Instructions:

Day 1: 1x PS ZP, 1x DIAMOND ZP
Day 2: Rest
Day 3: 1x Libertine Ultima v2
Day 4: Rest
Day 5: 1x PS ZP, 1x DIAMOND ZP
Day 6: Rest
Day 7: 1x Libertine Ultima v2
Day 8: Rest
Etc

Or go pure ZP as SaintSovereign recommended:

Day 1: 1x PS ZP, 1x DIAMOND ZP
Day 2: Rest
Day 3: 1x PS ZP, 1x DIAMOND ZP
Day 4: Rest

Follow either of these patterns and you will have success in your dating goals.

The reason why you use Ultimas on an “as needed” basis is the same way many use “liquid courage” before going out to meet women.

The advantage of following ZP Listening Instructions with your stack is that you become the person who is naturally a primal seducer and a libertine with the DIAMOND D.

So personally I would recommend to evolve your listening pattern just as the tech has evolved. Listen to them consistently at specific times (I prefer before sleep while others prefer first thing in the morning) and you will do great.

All the best :+1:

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