Best Program For Helping a Woman Mature

[praisetheurdtree]

A female friend of mine (28) is very immature for her age. She’s well aware of this and desperately wants to change it as she is often mocked and made fun of for her behavior and lifestyle, and how naive she is.

Most people mock her, and she plays it off, but recently she opened up to me about how painful it is for her.

The thing is, her parents completely failed her. Her father died when she was 5 and her mother sheltered her to the point where she doesn’t know how to drive, how to do her own taxes, let alone basic life things.

She sees me as a father figure but, I can’t be a father to a girl my age lol.

She knows about subs, she got curious after seeing changes in me and I ended up telling her about them.

I started her on Paragon and Sanguine, she’s responding well. But I think she needs something more well rounded to help her develop.

Any ideas?

[praisetheurdtree]

More info.

I started her on Paragon and Sanguine because she liked the product descriptions and she wants to heal her chronic pain.

[Trader]

To help with loosening up thinking, I recommend having her read “The Dice Man” by Luke Reinhardt. It’s a mindfuck in the best possible way.

As for subs to help with maturity, Quantum Limitless. It has scripting to help us perceive reality for what it really is.

[Viktor]

@praisetheurdtree

A female friend of mine (28) is very immature for her age. She’s well aware of this and desperately wants to change it as she is often mocked and made fun of for her behavior and lifestyle, and how naive she is.

Most people mock her, and she plays it off, but recently she opened up to me about how painful it is for her.

Before changing, I’d suggest helping her to accept herself first.
Love Bomb would be the best.

@praisetheurdtree

The thing is, her parents completely failed her. Her father died when she was 5 and her mother sheltered her to the point where she doesn’t know how to drive, how to do her own taxes, let alone basic life things.

She needs to learn that stuff & take action to catch up with what she missed in her younger years.
Help her hold the reins over her life.

LE/EE. Maybe Mogul, depending on her situation.

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I’d suggest LB + LE/EE + Paragon.

Edit:
I think Phoenix would also be great to add later on. It’s a hard sub, so I can’t recommend it yet.

[praisetheurdtree]

@Viktor

I’d suggest LB + LE/EE + Paragon.

That sounds like a good idea.

[praisetheurdtree]

@Viktor

Before changing, I’d suggest helping her to accept herself first.
Love Bomb would be the best.

For sure gonna keep her to Sanguine and Paragon for at least a cycle or two first.

She responded instantly well to both.

EE looks like it’d be REALLY good for her. She def has legit ADHD.

[aaa]

My suggestion:

1. Keep Paragon + Sanguine.

2. Add one clearing title (Rebirth or Regeneration) for ~8 weeks.

3. Switch to one power core (Ascension for Women, Genesis, or Executive) for 3–6 months.

4. Pair every phase with tiny real‑life “adulting” reps - starting with low level ones.

5. Maintain healthy boundaries and celebrate small wins.

That combo gives her the inner healing, confidence, and concrete practice she needs—without drowning her subconscious in too many scripts at once.

[Viktor]

@praisetheurdtree

For sure gonna keep her to Sanguine and Paragon for at least a cycle or two first.

She responded instantly well to both.

EE looks like it’d be REALLY good for her. She def has legit ADHD.

Yeah, that’s a good idea.
LB can wait. Being consistent with her current stack seems like a better option.

I wish her a swift recovery.

[Parsifal]

Title wise I’d agree most with @aaa.
Perfect would be a title like Matriarch: Cougar as a counterpart to Emperor: Daddy.
But we don’t have that yet.

Yet a title like Ascension for women or perhaps Seductress might be the best bet.

Against ADHD Emperor Executive is the best you can do.

So that would lead me to the following recommendation

a) Paragon against her pain
b) Emperor Executive against ADHD
c) Ascension for Women or Seductress for a more self secure or mature behaviour.

[Fractal_Explorer]

That is really rough.

Is it just knowledge she needs to build? Or is there a lot of fear around it as well?

It’s hard to say what would be best for her given the limited amount of info. This could be a simple skills issue she has to develop. Or it could go much much deeper and needs a different approach.

For now I think Sanguine and Paragon is a good option to help her feel better. Maybe AoH building on top of that when she’s ready.

I will say though the fact she has struggled to learn these things on her own does seem to point to a bigger issue. Has she worked with a therapist?

[ryder004]

Revelation of Mind?

[ksub]

Rebirth + Love Bomb + Ascension

[Viktor]

A lot of you are recommending Phoenix.

While I agree that it’s a great sub for the problem at hand, please be mindful of its strength.
Don’t forget that this is for someone new to subs.

This is why I recommended LB first, then Phoenix later down the line, instead of near the beginning.

@SaintSovereign

The entire Dragon Reborn series is just a hard title to run regardless of who you are or what level of inner development you’ve achieved. We’ve got some real bad asses here who have done years of it and the such, and those individuals must have an incredible level of resolve. Phoenix is a very condensed version of the DR series and as such, is much harder to wield. Limit Destroyer is more focused, and mostly revolves around the “destroy all limitations” functionality within the DR series.

That’s why I always recommend that people first use something to help soothe their mind and nerves, before jumping it. It’s legitimately a practical suggestion that isn’t based on anything other than the concept of “ensure that the soil is fertile before trying to grow,” which is what Genesis and LBfH is designed to do. You cannot build a house on an unsound foundation. It is always beneficial to stick to “beginner” titles (which is a faulty label in the first place) before moving on to something more advanced. Many people want to jump right into something very hard believing they can “handle it,” only to end up either regressing.

@SaintSovereign

I personally wouldn’t start with any of the intense titles before doing some deep groundwork. I’d recommend – before buying or jumping into anything – focusing on self-worth. You can do that without purchasing anything by trying Genesis: The Art of Happiness and Joy, stacking it with A Love Bomb For Humanity.

Those more intense titles are generally for people who have managed to create some sort of inner stability that they can rely on in hard times. The Art of Happiness and Joy is designed to do just that, infuse your daily life with a deep sense of satisfaction and self-worth. While A Love Bomb for Humanity is designed to help you project love outward, this is accomplished by first instilling a deep sense of love within yourself.

[Lion]

Let her start with the two free titles, AoH and LBFH. Both will build self-worth and self-esteem through happiness and love respectively. Which will in-turn lead to realizations about what she wants out of life.

It’s okay to be innocent. Sometimes innocence is mistaken for naivety especially in women.

But the maturity of being happy and self-loving (as well as loving others in a healthy manner) would be useful to her. Which is what those two titles will help with.

[praisetheurdtree]

@Fractal_Explorer

I will say though the fact she has struggled to learn these things on her own does seem to point to a bigger issue. Has she worked with a therapist?

I don’t want to give too much information, but she actually IS a therapist…

Which is what makes her situation somewhat unique. She technically knows better, yet she’s felt powerless to actually help herself.

I suspect, knowing her quite well, that she has some pretty deeply ingrained beliefs that aren’t serving her.

@Fractal_Explorer

Is it just knowledge she needs to build? Or is there a lot of fear around it as well?

Based on the above and my knowledge of my own subconcious blocks around some issues, I think it’s an issue of subconcious blockages/trauma.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Oooh. That is a tricky one. But it makes sense. You can’t do therapy on yourself. Too much bias.

It sounds like she’s off to a good start. Maybe she just needs small stepping stones to give herself some more confidence.

I can speak from experience, knowledge and awareness only takes someone so far and in a lot of ways it can be a certain type of hell witnessing yourself do the very things you know won’t result in what you want. So it’s gotta be really hard for her.

[KingofClubz]

Genesis

Genesis is like the perfect starter pack for her subliminal journey—minimal healing, maximum vibes! And hey, why not sprinkle some Genesis Mogul on top?

Ah hell, why not Ascension for Woman, that will do it.

[Leandros]

After reading what you have said about her and in consideration of her stack I would include only Lovebomb for at least a halve year to a year.

She needs love, lots of it. Specially as a therapist herself who had no father.

Is key

All the best to her journey

[Parsifal]

Did you ask her to join the forum?
Would be much easier to help her, especially since she can be as open as she wants and can share whatever she likes to share, unlike you.

[Sub.Zero]

Ascension for Women paired up with Alchemist, bro.