Although my stack has gotten thicker and im still using subs more than ever albeit with microloops. I have recently wondered how much of what we do, say and think is because of our innate desires and not just because of the subliminals influence.
In the journals and reviews we often see people , including myself, saying things like the sub makes me do so and so… makes me think this and that … If only i had this in my stack I would …etc etc and recently i realized i’d still like to maintain full autonomy over myself.
For example today i ran a 30s loop of RoTNW in the afternoon, but I still want to prioritize control over my sexual desires, while enjoying the perks of the sub as well. On 30s this actually feels somewhat possible. I can consicously be a grounded non sexual version of myself while still enjoying the bj aura (haven’t seen my gf yet).
But if it were a longer loop like 3 mins, this would become very hard for me and all i can think of sex, bjs and release. My thought process becomes completely different… that’s my minds reaction to the scripting.
I guess my question is… Are we still in control of our thoughts when on subs Can we consciously override this and decide for ourselves.
For example, can we be on a sex stack for the perks but still want to be 100% focused on our career and money without adding in a money sub to the stack. Or will sexual thoughts and the like dominate. Do we still have autonomy over that?
I don’t mean to overcomplicate things, essentially what im asking is … are we still in the pilot seats even while loaded up on subs? Or are our thoughts and choices influenced and finally dictated by them.
I know how ethically made the subs here are and how they are laden with free will scripting, for which i am truly grateful.
But nonetheless for the longest time… i feel like my thoughts and behavior are dictated by the subs i listen to.
Is it just the nature of subliminals? We are putting suggestions into our heads so obviously they would influence our thoughts after all. Is that the price to pay for results?
30s loops seem to mitigate this to a great extent but i wonder how the experience for every one else has been.
I used to believe that I am the sum of my thoughts and feelings. Cause what else are we other than thinking and feeling beings who end up doing the things that we think and feel.
But when I got into meditation, I realized that I wasn’t really my thoughts and feelings. What goes through my head and the emotions I feel in my body are actually things separate from who I am. Cause in the end, i choose what thoughts and feelings to act on (with or without subs).
Some of this you might already know but what makes it more difficult is in the insistence of what you think and feel when you are running subliminals. The sexually oriented stack you are running will give rise to more sexual thoughts and feelings.
You want control over them. That’s fine. But what if you had no sexual thoughts or feelings when you ran you stack? What would you think? You would think the subliminals aren’t working.
Now that’s quite a conundrum yes? We want the subs to work and when they work very well, we wonder whether we are in control.
The thing is, we are always in control. But because it is difficult for us to be self-aware at times, we doubt whether we are truly in the driver’s seat.
There are solutions to this. One of which is the way you do microloops. Another way could be to take more rest days so that the subliminals have more days to process. Things like that.
You can also take up a meditation practice of 10 to 20 minutes a day in order to separate your awareness from your thoughts and feelings. It truly helps us understand how much our consciousness is actually separate from what we think and feel. It’s a wonderful thing to experience.
But yes, in the end, you are always in control. But the question really isn’t about whether we are in control but whether we have the ability to do so. That takes practise and being concious of ourselves. Things we get through meditating and journaling.
You are not giving up “autonomy” over yourself. We’ve tackled this question many times before. This whole idea is simply impossible due to the natural structures that the human being is made out of.
What is possible, however, is for people to mistake their own desires for the subliminal executing - simple misattribution. They’ll see a beautiful woman, get excited, want to talk to her, and suddenly think “oh my God, I’m being manipulated by the subliminal title!”.
No, you experienced a natural urge and desire created by your body, by your hormones, mind, soul, energy (don’t have to take these two into account if you’re not into it) and of course the subconscious mind.
A strong and clear urge, now that you are starting to work more deeply with your inner self - which is required if one wants to utilize subliminals to their maximum, can appear as something “otherworldly” to someone who has seen these urges through a blunted and foggy viewpoint. Your sensitivity is becoming stronger as a consequence of your engagement with the development of your inner self.
Next, a subliminal cannot decide for you. It can refine your response and help you achieve a response that you desire, but it cannot force you to do anything. It cannot force you to go and talk to a woman, nor can it force you to be something you don’t want to be. It can guide you to the desired outcome, if you are willing to listen to the intuitive nudges generated by your subconscious mind - and note, a very important distinction here. I did not say subliminal, I said the subconscious mind.
That is the next important point. The subliminal doesn’t do anything other than input material - the actual work is done by your subconscious mind. If one posits, “can I lose my autonomy to subliminals?”, the answer is a clear no, as there is nothing to lose autonomy to. To the subliminal? It’s just information. To the subconscious mind? It’s your own subconscious mind. How would that even work? Simple, it wouldn’t.
If you are running a title designed to develop your sexuality (in any way, regardless of the title), you will naturally experience a deeper awareness of your sexuality, and the subconscious mind will naturally give you intuitive nudges as to how to achieve your goals.
If you don’t want development of your sexuality, why are you running a sexual subliminal?
You still have control - again, there’s nothing to “give control” away to. You are working with your own mind.
Of course you can run a sexual subliminal for the perks and do something else - but be aware that sexuality related subconscious structures are still going to be activated to some extent, as the input is still there. Depending on your experience and how in-tune you are with your inner self, how much experience you have working with your subconscious mind and utilizing subliminals, how this occurs will change.
If you have some experience, you can simply run a couple microloops here and there to have a minimal level of activation (auras, feel good feelings, confidence, etc.), without deeper structures being activated as much.
I’ll put it like this, as most often these questions aren’t really logical - they are emotional, often fear based.
Even if you overloaded to the extreme with 30 loops of RoTNW…
You will still be in control and “in the pilot seat”.
You might have intense reconciliation symptoms such as headaches, dropping subliminal usage, massive doubt over your previous results, negative emotions. You will also likely have the bloom effect as the title processes, which due to an excess of reconciliation will lead to deeper work being done - and when that is done, effects can bloom.
This can result in an increased sexual appetite - which is not necessarily a bad thing from the viewpoint of the body and some spiritual traditions (which considers no sexual appetite as being devoid of any energy and a sign of serious complications) as this often means cleaner channels for sexual energy flow, increased attention from the opposite sex, a lot of realizations about your sexuality/sex life, and so on.
In other words, a bloom of results that is common when one stops subliminal input (more accurately, when a lot of processing is done and no new input is presented).
But those are just that - effects of working on your deeper subconscious structures.
Your will, your decision making, what makes you - you, that very awareness that sits behind your two eyes and decides what to eat for breakfast - still all you.
Ultimately, nothing has changed there with your awareness, other than now it has more choice.
So to summarize.
Don’t misattribute your urges, tendencies, desires and so on for the effects of a subliminal. They are still there.
Losing free will to a subliminal is impossible - it’s just information, your subconscious mind does the actual processing.
Even with a plethora of results, effects, moments and so on, your will still has the ultimate say.
Your subconscious mind can present you with the perfect moment, perfect woman who desires you deeply, perfect things to say, exact guidance on how to achieve things, the perfect mood, the perfect state for you to be in, the motivation and the desire - but you can still say no at any point and just drop the whole thing and walk away.
You have more explanations there about what is going on.
I also thought that by listening to only sexual subs I would receive the seduction knowledge, but not feel the urges to constantly go out and seduce women, so that I can mainly focus on my career related tasks, but it seems it doesn’t work like that, so I ended up creating a new stack that is more inline with my priorities here: My Next Stack - EF + Khan
When you listen to a particular subs, for example the seduction titles, you may experienced emotions sexually. If this is a quite different experienced you may feel a discomfort. I had this with Wanted Black where I had experienced women coming from nowhere, greeting me as if we’re closed friends.
This unfamiliarity can cause you to question your own reality. I look back and reading the lines on the Wanted Black sales page and ask myself the question ‘Why should I regret when I love them?’.
The question about are ‘we still in control’, of course, we are always in control. Sooner or later you will discovered that yourself that. Your dominant emotions will gear back to what was before, unless you keep on reinforcing yourself to become the person you really wanted to.
Thank you for the detailed explanation @Fire . That answered everything I wanted to know.
For the longest time I believed that the subs controlled everything, like if I wanted to do anything I’d need the appropirate sub, enjoying their benefits but being limited by them too. Like if I wanted to focus on fitness I’d need a fitness sub in my stack or the other subs would override or prevent this.
I see now that it was just my own limiting beliefs.
Yes that consciousness is everything. Knowing that its still 100% there and in power is all I needed to know.
Moving forward ill continue using these subs as the amazing tools that they’re meant to be. With awareness and while taking responsibility for my life rather than using them as crutches like I did previously.
How about you listen to something like RICH or Emperor and lose the autonomy that you claim that is being lost, and then have a ridiculous income that you can’t hate because of the empire that you built?
Maybe try Ultimate Writer and finish up a novel or twenty three ones? Or maybe boxing master and become a world champion?
Then tell me if you are losing autonomy to the sub. Sex and instant gratification and access to countless amount of sexual contents is the easiest thing ever in this age, it’s a mental plague, so it’s no wonder that you might find it convincing that you’re losing autonomy.
Seriously, pick a Subliminal that deals with a topic that you have never dealt with and see how you really lose autonomy. Seriously, we would all have all that we wanted long long ago.
I know @Fire answered this, but I have a few things to add:
If you sit down with a friend at the beach, and all day you talked about the sexy women in their bikinis, you would also find it hard to focus on anything other than sex.
Likewise, if you run a powerful sexual subliminal audio title, especially one like Revelation of the Nectar Within, where the script is 100% focused on sex… it is the natural response of the human mind to think about sex.
If you see a naked, attractive woman (or whomever you’re attracted to), you will become sexually aroused. Likewise, if you listen to and process a script that is designed to help you envision your perfect sexual partner and then find them — you’re going to think about sexual encounters with attractive people.
Why would it be any other way? If you read the Revelation of Nectar Within’s copy page and notice how it’s written in an unhinged, intense manner and how we talk about how intense the aura is. That’s because it’s intense sexual scripting.
There is no other outcome for this title except thinking about sex and then getting laid. If you’re running this title and thinking a lot about sex… then the product is doing EXACTLY as it’s intended to do.
This should be obvious. You just filled your mind with sexual scripting that now has to be processed. And how is sexual scripting processed?
1 — You either get laid and the surging sex drive naturally resolves, as intended.
2 — You don’t have access to a steady consensual sex partner and you have to process the scripting solely through the mind.
So, here we have our issue with releasing stronger products illustrated. It’s not a knock against you @Dreamevile , as we do understand the concern. But from a strategic business perspective, this is what I see:
Customers: Don’t nerf the products or make them weaker. We can take it.
:: SubClub slowly turning the power up over time ::
Customers: Hono! The sub has taken over my mind!
:: We develop what’s possibly the biggest innovation in the subliminal industry — microloops, giving the user unprecedented control over their subliminal experience by allowing them to run just 30s and still get results while avoiding situations like this by simply running less.::
Customers: I ran 30s of the title and got the intended results without issue, but if I run three minutes, I think about sex too much.
Us: My brother in spirit, just run 30s. That’s why we spent so much effort developing microloops.
Customers: I know, I know… but am I still in control, or HAS THE SUB TAKEN OVER because I’m thinking about women too much?
Us: Just… use microloops to mitigate that? Or use a less sexually focused sub?
That was literally why we created microloops, for you to slowly acclimate yourself to any title and then gauge your response through deep introspection, which is exactly what you did, but ignored the answer. Just run microloops until you become used to the highly charged sexual scripting.
And this phenomenon is why we must place controls on Quintessence Pro. We plan on creating a lot more information for people to understand, but some of this should be common sense.
EDIT: And there’s a quick and easy way to resolve a surging sex drive even if your partner is away. It’s something that every adult human being knows and has done. When one performs this ancient tradition, it ends with a moment of clarity and a total drop of the sex drive for a period. Bussanut.
