Hey everyone!
I’ve seen bits of alchemistry throughout posts and even in the product description pages.
I wanted to post some here.
If anyone one else discovered in their searching for such quotes from SaintSovereign, Fire, and the product description pages, would you please post them here so I can review them, and perhaps edit it all into a quick reference guide?
Here is what I’ve found so far:
At the risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious…
While these are all very good ideas and advice that Saint posted, and practical ideas… I would stop way short of calling them alchemy. Perhaps a better term might be “mental transformation”.
I know a lot of people are not too concerned about these distinctions nowadays, and they might prefer to call alchemy whatever feels good to them as a way of ascribing legitimacy to the ideas rather than letting the ideas stand on their own (which those above do, as they are based on Saint’s personal experience).
But as someone who studied alchemy for over 20 years, I think it would confuse people to ascribe such ideas to the same science which birthed such classics as the Golden Chain of Homer, Compass of the Wise, The New Chemical Light, and the Waterstone of the Wise. As well as those more modern day classics such as How the Spirit Comes to Tables, Mystery of the Cathedrals and Dwellings of the Philosophers.
Even if you admit the writings of Jung with his at times confused interpretation of the coded and encrypted language of these books (which I do not), I still think all of the above fits more into the category of general advice and words of wisdom. It would probably be more likely to be clicked on too if the title explained it was a collection of wisdom from the creators.
Just my feelings based on years of study. Happy to clarify if you want me to.
Mental transformation is Alchemy.
It most certainly is not.
Or would you prefer to say that a cheeseburger is an orange, or that karate is the same as aikido?
People can call themselves a yogi after having read a few books about Kundalini, or having said a few mantras, they can change the meanings of left and right in politics, or claim the meanings of terms have changed all they want and most of the time I won’t bat an eyelid because it doesn’t affect me.
But when someone makes some claim about something I studied for over twenty years… I kinda know what I’m talking about, I was active on several of the mailing lists and forums devoted to the topics and did my own experiments (limited thanks to time and money) and travelled to thermal/volcanic regions to see the subject first hand. I corresponded with people who have written well known books and articles on different forms of what they called alchemy, and on the history of Fulcanelli. And even had brief interactions with one of the more enigmatic figures who was associated with Canseliet. And that means if I see someone publicly confusing the matter, I’m going to speak up, because I care about the continuation of knowledge.
What’s wrong with calling these ideas what they are: insights from the creators of the subliminals we use, rather than associating them with an occult art and science which sought to catch a glimpse of the Creator through the lens of substance? One which discovered and knew of electricity long before it was brought into the public domain.
First and foremost, @RVconsultant, while I appreciate this thread, it veers too much into the idolization of myself and @Fire , which we have sought to minimize. I would prefer an archive of all of the community’s insights, where we are featured and can discuss. As such, I’ll be closing this thread until they can be achieved.
That being said…
Traditions change and evolve just like everything else, and as such, even the idea of “alchemy” must too evolve. I think the modern distinction between the sciences of the old and the new is clearly delineated in the term “mental alchemy,” since this new emerging discipline seems to be rooted in the transformation of the mental processes.
No one is going to tell me that I cannot call the drastic and profound change in thought and spirit that I’ve experienced a form of alchemy and especially mental alchemy, and this isn’t an argument that’s going to spring up every time the word is mentioned.
On the flipside, I’m about to place a blanket ban on discussion of the sacred mysteries AND the occult here anyway, since they tend to spark one of two conversations here:
1 — People like Hermit, mindlessly spouting the exoteric meaning and trying to force others into “following” him, or using public available texts to pretend that he has advanced knowledge of subliminal audio, going as far as calling our definition of reconciliation fake, and began rambling on about the soul.
Or
2 — Well meaning individuals, knowledgeable like yourself forcing a rigid definition on them to help prevent further degradation of the knowledge, which I understand, because that is the truer meaning of the first part of the Holy Bible (people always just skip over the incursion of the Watchers, but I digress), but those individuals end up gatekeeping like no other.
I do get it. The new agers have pilfered ancient wisdom, completely ransacked it, removing all the moral guidance and leaving only the fun parts that allegedly leads to the attainment of “superpowers,” then hiding their darkness behind a veneer of toxic positivity and elitism.
So, as such, the term “mental alchemy” can be used openly without having to fight over definitions. But this is a subliminal forum. It’s first and best use is to talk about subliminal results. Let’s not get too esoteric. So, people (and this is not directed at anyone in particular) please stop hearing about the mysteries on TikTok, reading a couple of Google pages and then coming here claiming that we’re using [x] knowledge when we are not.
Our art is the study of the ability of language, logic and rhetoric to cause self-guided meaningful change on hidden thought processes. Which yes, we can define as “mental alchemy.”
And stop calling us “the Creators.” Producers. The producers. Or “Saint” and “Fire.”