Please don’t troll like this. This also goes into some peoples sub-conscious 
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I am certainly planning to run HOM, LOTS and khan st 4 for 2 years and will not add or delete any one of them, for that duration and will surely journal the progress and actions taken . Thx for the guidance guys
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The results are never permanent as we’re constantly changing. However, the growth ENCOURAGED by subs is perpetual, reaching higher and higher levels. It’s all about how much of that growth you need or want so it’s a subjective matter.
There were people who listened to a few loops only and benefited from the growth for long periods of time.
Your question may point to some anxiety related to missing out I’m afraid, whilst you need to focus on the path of your individual growth instead.
Another thing is you can run a sub forever and keep growing with it or revisit subs you’ve run in the past to foster your growth in respective domains.
Take it ease yet know what you’re doing, bro.
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It makes more sense to view subliminals like going to the gym.
There is no instance where we wonder if we can stop going to the gym and the muscles we got remain permanent without lifting weights. Rather, you need to work out more in the beginning to reach your target weight and bodyfat ratio but after you reach your goals, you need to workout less to maintain said results.
Similiarly, we run subliminals, take action and journal until we reach our goals. Thereafter, we can run the same subliminals once in a rare while, take minimum action to maintain those goals and journal a bit.
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How I see this is that the results will stay but you can slip back into your old ways. But, if you decide to run this sub again you will quickly regain your previous level of results and will build up on that because you understand the concepts and mindset.
But if you want to keep them permanent, you need to keep up with the habits/mindset developed on the sub. That should ensure the permanency.
What “results”?
What is a “result” to you, give me a specific, tangible example.
Fun fact to any lurker, in these types of discussions/questions, they never give specific, tangible examples.
If someone runs Genesis: Mogul and starts their first side business and steadily makes 2k/month… then when they stop running the subliminal, their business and monthly income doesn’t just suddenly disappear.
Does their business suddenly disappear? Does all of their business knowledge and experience just suddenly disappear?
I don’t know what people are talking about when they say “permanent results”, so I’m not going to make any assumptions. I’m just trying to convey how these types of questions register in my mind - they make absolutely zero sense to me.
What are your actual real life goals, and what are you aiming to achieve and manifest with the help of subliminals?
If I run Inner Circle and make a bunch of new friends that we met a bunch of times and bonded with who have similar interests, then when I stop running Inner Circle… those friends doesn’t just suddenly disappear.
If I run Heartsong and manifest my “soul mate” or whatever, then when I stop running Heartsong my relationship with that person doesn’t just suddenly disappear.
If I run Emperor Fitness or Spartan and go from benching 20lbs to benching 2 plates while gaining 20lbs of muscle mass… if I stop running the subliminals, I don’t suddenly become an out of shape marshmallow who struggles to bench 20lbs.
If I run Index Gate and spend hours learning code, then create a new software and apply to be web developer… neither my coding knowledge, software, or new job as web developer suddenly disappear when I stop listening to the subliminal.
Tangible, solid, concrete, clear, real life goals.
Those are the only results that matter. Actually changing your life. I’ve said this stuff a billion times on here. I’m getting tired man, lmao.
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huh???
Nah I’m good for today
That isn’t trolling. Asking questions that have already been asked over and over and are easily searched is trolling.
Please take this card as a joke. 
Well said Luther24. When we have clear, tangible objectives guiding our subliminal journey, ones you can touch, see, and feel, we’re not just seeking temporary changes but rather aiming for lasting transformations. When we align our subliminal work with these tangible objectives, we not only amplify our potential for success but also ground our aspirations in reality. By aligning our subconscious programming with these concrete goals, we create a solid foundation for enduring growth and progress. It’s about manifesting concrete outcomes that resonate with our deepest desires and aspirations.
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Thanks ChatGPT
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Everything shouldn’t be GPT. Authenticity is key in interactions. It’s funny how technology can both enhance and sometimes hinder our natural abilities. I can relate to that struggle myself. Remembering phone numbers used to be second nature, but now, with everything stored in our devices, it’s like our brains have taken a back seat. And hey, i have no shame in using an AI keyboard for grammar though; it’s all about finding that balance between leveraging technology and staying true to ourselves. 
It’s fascinating how technology walks that fine line between enhancing and sometimes overshadowing our natural abilities. While it’s true that our reliance on devices might dull some of our inherent skills, like remembering phone numbers, there’s a beauty in finding that balance. Embracing tools like AI keyboards for grammar, for instance, can indeed streamline our communication without compromising authenticity. It’s about evolving alongside technology while ensuring we don’t lose touch with what makes us human.
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Are you a bot? You’re making me nervous now. Lol
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Think of it like going to the gym with a personal trainer.
Even one session is good for your health, and even one workout will have some effect on whether you die at 88 years old or 89 years old.
All your positive and negative experiences accumulate, and a positive experience is always a positive experience. Luckily, a negative experience through subconscious reframing can be re-perceived as a positive experience.
So even a few loops of a subliminal will change you by giving you some positive experiences, first of all.
But let’s use a parallel example and let’s say you’re really really fat.
You go to the gym for one month. You drop 10 pounds. Now you’re only 300 pounds instead of 310.
But then you quit working out, and you regain all the weight, and you’re back at 310.
Here’s my question, were the results of the gym and the weight loss permanent, or temporary?
I’ll argue that they were permanent. How?
- The memory persisted.
- the feeling of pride from losing 10 pounds will always be remembered and re-accessible
- The knowledge that it was possible for you to lose 10 pounds per month will always be there, and will always help you should you question whether or not it’s possible for you to do again
- the instruction will always be there in the back of your mind, even if you don’t remember it, it’ll at least make it easier to learn the same info the next time
But the healing in subliminals is probably the most important. If you can let go of a limiting belief that was holding you back, or if you can reframe a negative experience to see the positive in it, that’s often permanent.
It’s like going to a personal trainer. They heal whatever’s blocking you from getting to the gym. They motivate you to start, which is the hardest part. They help you get quick wins. They help you see that you ARE winning. They help you start to like the gym. And even if you stop working with them, you still have new skills and experiences you can keep using.
It’s not food. It’s not gone the moment you eat it. It’s learning a recipe, you can always make it again and again
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This is better.
Personally, I ignore your AI posts … that guy writes like “a person who has no experience, but talks like an expert because he has read other people’s experiences.”
Staying on topic … how much GPT time will it take for a human to permanently become a robot / NPC?
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Haha, Simon, you’re still keeping things interesting! Your post reminds me of another user from about five years back. I don’t think he’s around here anymore. He always brought a good laugh to the forum.
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Last quote especially
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let’s take into consideration not tangible and material results but mental ones. Say, Ascension or any other status title with its status and confidence and alpha mindset. I remember Wanted gave me an insane self-image, but after some time I dropped it, the insane self-image disappeared.