Just to share my personal experience; taking action like a madman has never worked for me.
When I actually took the time to do a ton of affirmations and visualizations I had distinct IDENTITY changes. These identity changes led to effortless action which led me to fulfill my goals. Affirmations plus visualizations is a DIRECT route to communicate to your subconscious……
I’m convinced people who say its mental masturbation have never committed to a serious CONSISTENT routine of practicing it towards specific goals. It truly is one of those things you have to do for yourself to see how MUCH of your life is being governed by your internal world….
The manual on how to use SubliminalClub audios goes like this:
Run subliminal
Take action
Journal
This is like a car manufacturer selling you a car and they tell you to use a key, fire up the engine and use steering wheel/accelerator/breaks etc to drive the car. And if you don’t follow the instructions, it won’t work.
Now imagine a future when we get self-driving cars. Will the instructions be the same? We will still have to take some action like getting into the car and maybe input a destination with a voice command but the number of actions is less when compared to the vehicles we drive today.
So the moral of the story is if you are using a product, follow the user manual given to you by the maker of the product and you will succeed. In the future, we could get the self-driving equivalent of cars for subliminals too but that’s another story where we will have to take less action but still have to do something.
So take action (and journal too), even a bit of action, and you will see how the subliminal magnifies the result compared to taking action without subliminals.
The type of action you have to take is explained well in the comments above. Am sure you can also figure this out by thinking a bit about goals you have and how you achieve those goals by taking steps to achieve them.
Even inward goals such as meditation and others takes a lot of action and dedication, and we all have different backgrounds and self-imposed limitations. They say all roads lead to Rome, and maybe they do, but I have not personally tested them all to give a satisfying answer to that question…
A wise man to me is not just black or white, he takes into accont information from all angles and tries it out for himself to see what works. I can agree on both perspectives on this, and to me it comes down to what you have to work with. Many of us need to get our butts out of the wagon because we have become lazy, an some such as @NinjaGazin has a different set of triggers or ways of doing things.
Isn’t that why we are writing down things in our journals to start with, to see what works and what doesn’t work? Isn’t that why we can disagree and agree with others and ultimately learn something in the end? Learning is supposed to be fun, I guess that’s why I was never really interested in school, because that way of learning was not for me, and here I am now
@Skadoosh - I understand your viewpoint and do admire your discipline in taking action.
But I must admit I also understand where they are coming from. I think some of us are a bit more “head in the clouds” rather than “feet on the ground” kinda people.
Of course the trick is to be both. But it will take some convincing for them to get there.
Once the Ascended badasses, Emperors and Khans etc start becoming congruent and healing that inner masculinity… everyone will be as action-oriented as me.
This is part of a bigger issue which is the laziness, addiction to comfort, complacency and lack of masculinity in our society, etc. I’m sure you know all about this since you’re redpilled.
My opinion is that all of this super “head in the clouds” stuff as you aptly put, is a manifestation of what I just mentioned. You’re absolutely correct that it’s about balance and when that balance is nowhere to be seen, then it’s extremely likely that something is up. It psychologically looks like some type of childish coping mechanism, it literally has all the markers and there isn’t anything concrete to back it up.
If you look at all of the objectives for these Alpha titles, there is a massive emphasis on taking action.
In WANTED description, Fire or Saint clearly stated: Make sure to take action, you must not wait around and hope for things to happen. Get out there and meet your partners. Let the subliminal “breathe” by opening the pathways to manifestation through exploring, trying options and taking action
These guys get it because they know how shit works. That’s why they have the best subliminal products on the market that nobody can come close to.
I did what they described and got crazy results. To ensure success, one is supposed to always be taking action in line with the subliminal.
These hardcore LOAers don’t like to hear these proven facts and start getting super defensive because the idea of taking action is uncomfortable to them. They’re point-blank afraid of taking action.
If these people run Khan then it will be brutal.
Stage 3 of Khan is literally called TOTAL ACTION which is merciless in getting you out there.
Develop your inner Khan, experience it pushing you to take action day in and day out.You will be tested and pushed into action every day. Use the power of the Khan to achieve wealth, improve your income and take relentless action towards your goals.
I’ve truly integrated that type of stuff. I literally don’t understand how people aren’t able to take massive action. I don’t understand the thumb twiddling, sitting around hoping and waiting around type of stuff.
I also haven’t seen a single shred of evidence of it working, not here in this forum… or out in the real world… but hey, what do I know lol.
I don’t understand these people, like do they go to the gym? Do they workout? Do they have financial goals that they are taking action towards? Are they meeting women?
It’s all sketchy and something smells off but whatever.
I’ll slip in one further comment. You must take action and this is unavoidable. If all this LAO stuff is true, then all your manifestations are sitting out there in the material world as causal chains that have yet to be initiated. You can look at all your manifestations like rows of dominos, somebody has got to come to knock the first domino over for you to get what you want.
If people literally believe that they don’t have to do anything at all, that they can lock themselves inside and play Elden Ring for the next year while running Khan and are still expecting the girl and money, then they are severely mistaken. MAYBE, MAYBE they will get a surprise tax return (extra money that wasn’t expected) because an IRS agent just so happened to take a closer look at their taxes and noticed that they were owed money, but they still gotta cash the check. MAYBE, a girl will fall in love with them from afar by glimpsing them through the window while they are playing Elden Ring and she will take all the initiative to get this guy in a relationship with her, but the dude still has to do SOMETHING, at the very least he needs to open the door when she knocks.
SOMETHING MUST ALWAYS BE DONE.
Even if a supermodel holding a suitcase full of cash falls through your roof, dude, you still gotta do something or else she’ll just walk away.
YOU MUST DO SOMETHING, ALWAYS.
One last comment.
Why would you want to do nothing? Life is so much more fun when you force yourself out into the world and watch yourself grow day by day. Today you vomit when talking to a girl. 6 months from now you’re mister suave, that’s fun! That’s the point of life. Go live it! Follow the instructions, trust the subs, live your life.
A lot of people might benefit from forgetting that they are running subs. Run the subs and then pretend that you still have to do everything on your own–the same way people have done this for thousands of years without subs. If you do that, oh boy, you’re in for a surprise!
Ill piggy back off this since i agree 100% but I also think and when i say think i mean i know that taking action is important as well. First we cant argue here about how much of our life is being governed by our inner world.
The easiest example is lets take being in recon VS not being in recon. When we are in recon and we have low energy, low confidence etc - imagine that being someones base level state of mind. Their is no way you can possible achieve any amount of success with money, women etc with that flow/mindset. Now on other side when we arent in recon and emp, khan whatever is in full effect and we feel powerful, calm , confidence etc. SO with this real life case study that ever user here im sure has experienced and felt , its hard to argue that inner power/world wont dictate a majority of your life, it cant be augured.
In terms of action tho its ridiculous for people to think or even want to run subs(or anything for that matter) and just not do anything and sit on their butt, it just shows total laziness and no discipline, and the thing is on a sub like emp if i dont work on my business or workout that causes me recon so i dont know what subs here would make you want to be lazy or feel you dont have to apply any effort. No need to take action like a madman either a simple 30 min - hour workout a day , along with a few walks after a meal for digestion(low intensity cardio) , eating clean along with taking action to whatever goal is in line with your stack is very doable for any able bodied person on this forum and can only benefit the subs, it will never hurt your results.
Lastly using the simplest example to support the taking action argument: if we have person a and b. We are both running emp however person A sits on his ass all day eating ice cream, not working out and not applying himself to any hustle to make money, and person B is working out, applying himself to make money etc do you really think person A will have a better stack run then B? Nah, and if you think so your lying to yourself(which is fine, no worries). So once again back to the basics that SC lays out for us.
Run the subs and take action, no need to argue which is better or which is needed or not needed, their both important.
How can you know that?! That is your subjective opinion on how you think it works but it doesn’t apply to everyone! How dare you assume that it applies to everyone!
this is basically what they do lmao. Absolute insanity.
You present simple facts as you just did and they try to reframe it all fancy in a way that fits their belief systems because they get triggered. They play the ol’ subjectivity “my belief systems, my journey” card like that of a child who is disconnected from reality.
They don’t want to hear about all that action stuff, it gives them anxiety.
I like this example lol. I think the main argument they have is that when Person A occurs, in their eyes, it’s not Person A’s fault… it’s the subliminals fault.
They point fingers at the tech, scripts and company rather than taking personal responsibility.
This is what the whole “waiting” thing is about. They are waiting for some type of inspired pull towards action, they’re waiting for all of their anxiety to get zapped so that they can step out into the world.
This leads into a cycle of constantly waiting and constantly waiting for something to spark. This is actually disconnection from the flow state because the flow state occurs during the action taking.
This example is very key:
For example, say I want a new job. If I sit around and listen to Mogul without taking any action related to it, then it’s going to take a long time before I see any results. You ask me “what are you waiting for Luther?” and I tell you that I’m waiting for that brilliant idea to pop into my head and I’m waiting for an inspired action.
However, the subliminal doesn’t have any pathway to express. It’s the consciously aligned intention/action that kicks the subliminal into high gear.
So when I start taking action and actively looking for jobs, talking to people, asking around, sending resumes, calling up companies, etc. That is when the subliminal and subconscious integration acts as a filter of all of that action - leading to the flow state. Once that entire process is stimulated by the action, now your subconscious mind has momentum and starts manifesting of it’s own volition - this is when the random uncanny manifestations start occurring like crazy. It all starts with the action… it’s an important part of the alchemical process in manifestation which is what guys like @Fire keep stressing because they know their shit. Given the reality nature of ZP (you’re pushing out reality), when you’re manifesting you’re essentially shifting into a different reality (multiverse is real). Action provides the largest page flip between these realities. So when you start taking action you’re doing a massive page flip, combined with subconscious alignment - which creates massive amounts of momentum energy towards the targeted reality. Furthermore, when you consciously align yourself with the script (taking action) you are telling your subconscious mind that you’re serious, it’s a form of commitment and assertion to the powerful parts of your mind. There’s more too but I’'ve already written a lot lol.
Like this is all basic stuff, but obviously not I guess lol whatever. What I’m breaking down, once understood is the difference between noobs/amateurs and experienced users who actually get crazy results.
The subconscious mind is integrating the script and expressing but it’s the individuals duty to maximize that by consciously aligning themselves with the goal. That means taking action to allow the subliminal to breath.
They want auto-pilot force into everything they want because it provides the least amount of discomfort. They want to exist as a programmed robot that does everything automatically and is guided to everything.
These subliminals can’t force anyone to do anything and it sounds like they want force.
They want the pinnacle of hand-holding and don’t want to face any discomfort.
They want all of the growth before they can go out into the world, not realizing that going out into the world is what creates the most growth.
Well said bro, and the thing is that the very wealthy people i know (and im sure any high achievers in this world ) embody the “subs mindset” naturally without ever running subs. Their naturally like a khan or an emperor, high confidence, think their the shit etc. BUT once again with that mindset they take extreme action towards there goals for business or whatever it is, they dont sit on their ass and say well i embody an emperor so i dont need to take action .
We should all feel blessed that due to sub club we can also achieve the mindset and inner work that these successful high achievers have, we are seriously lucky for that. But best believe i will not sit on my butt and rely on these subs while taking no action, i will take that new found powerful mindset and inner growth and run with it(take action) and achieve actual greatness in all aspects of my life.
Also these posts from me isnt attacking a particular person or view point, i could care less and everyone is allowed to think and do as they please. But i just want to share from personal experience what led me to the greatest results and i can tell you now, had i not taken action i wouldnt be close to where i am as person since starting these subs. Open up the pathways to manifestation with taking action and letting the sub breathe by not changing every single listen cycle and all will be well.
Exactly mate, you shouldn’t even have to explain yourself. I treat all posts in the forum as being their expression of the individuals own viewpoints which I’m at peace with. Everyone sees things differently and I don’t go around expecting people to constantly have to say that what they wrote is their personal experience or subjective viewpoint because it goes without saying - this is the internet lol. Some people need that though in order to not get triggered.
I’ve said this a lot but really apparent action is contingent upon the already existing foundation of an individual. Some individuals have difficulty with what would be considered routine or easy for others. Their action lies in overcoming the challenges inside their own mind before it manifests in the external. I think that’s a valid concern. Some people aren’t aware of the very big leg up they have because just like the individual who suffers it’s all they’ve known.
I think as long as you’re trying, that constitutes action. There shouldn’t be some action barometer that dictates what is truly action vs not. That’s a one way ticket to feeling shitty about yourself.
My whole point is in your first sentence; most people extremely wealthy people have the MINDSET first.
Mindset is more important then action. Actions can be counter productive if they are done from a state of anxiety worry and fear. Think of the guy cold approaching hundreds of women and getting rejected everytime because in his mindset he is still unattractive and unworthy and the girls pick up on it.
The most important part-where his thoughts are- is wrong so he is following the right compass with the wrong map. Thoughts are extremely powerful- the thoughts you think around people determine how they see you. Not your actions. Your actions are a result of the thoughts you are thinking.
So person a runs emperor writing out exactly how he would be living his ideal life as an emperor in detail. He writes out his lifestyle, how much money he would be making the cars he would drive what he would do for fun a typically day in his life etc. He consistently repeats affirmations throughout the day specially tailored around the details of this desired life. He feeds his mind possible routes of how it could happen through visualizations while feeling gratitude and happiness for being that person already. As a result he knows EXACTLY where he is going and his conscious mind has provided a conception for his new reality directly to his subconscious. “Whatever the mind can conceive, it can achieve.” So now its a week or so later and he is a happy, grateful state certain of where is going and from that state he naturally takes actions that lead him to his desire. Because his subconscious knows infinitely more then he does and because it is getting the clear distinct picture of his ideal life it can lead him to the BEST actions to take because he existing within the present moment open to working with his subconscious instead of against it.
Person B reads every hustle culture guru who tells him the key to overcome his mental weakness anxiety and fear is to “just take action bro” So he does although he jsut has a vague idea of WHY he’s running the subliminals or what his ideal life would be. So instead of working with his subconscious he starts taking random action like a madman hoping something sticks. Because his mind is in the wrong place anytime anything goes wrong his fear and anxiety will come back ten times STRONGER because he didn’t MASTER his own mind. Sure he can eventually stumble upon success but compared to person a, who has changed on a total being level he is still in danger of losing that success do to a poor mindset.
I am just sharing my personal experience; I understand the urge to try to kick lazy passive couch potatoes On the butt to take action but for guys like that with heavy mental blocks you need to address the problem at the source- their mind. Most importantly THEY need to address the problem at the source which means they need to start getting inside their head and rearranging and observing the thoughts in their head paralyzing them so they can remove them. Otherwise they will take action-fail miserably because again they get the results their thoughts are creating and then they will fall back into self medicated passiveness and end up in the revolving circle of temporary hustle guru motivation, failure, crash, “maybe I should try again”. Wash rinse and repeat
This has worked in my life; these days I’m focused one hundred percent on making sure my thoughts are always in the right place and my income, success with girls and career skills just keep improving exponentially. Most importantly, every day is a joy.
I think we can all agree here everyone’s definition of “action” is slightly different and what we’re seeing in this thread is communication breakdown.
I don’t think anyone in this thread is advocating for sitting on your butt and wishing things into existence. Hell I’ve not met one person on this forum with that mentality, they’re all trying.
All the examples shown in here so far are very black and white to illustrate the point. Which makes the point understood better, but leaves out the nuance.
Both mindset and action are important. Two sides of the same coin in my opinion. I also believe like a lot of things in life it’s all about balance. Too much focus on mindset and you’re planning or preparing all the time for a future that doesn’t come into existence. Too much action without reflection or action spurred on purely by reactionary emotions is also a problem.
Waiting for passive results is the reason why 99.9% of the forum don’t get any results at all (and, also, the reason why the real achievers don’t stay in the forums for a long time).
You must be active to achieve ANYTHING in your life.
it is not true to say that 99.9% of people on the forum are not getting results.
This is hyperbole.
And even worse, it’s that popular variety of hyperbole that actually invents statistics. “Contrived Statistics?!! Heavens Forfend!”
But seriously, 99.9%? How many people would that even be?
Okay, you probably meant ‘Most’. But even then, the statement is still not true.
Most people are getting results. Simply reading through the forum posts provides ample evidence of this.
A more balanced statement might be:
“When people on the forum are not satisfied with their results or with the pace at which their results develop, one of the main reasons is that…[blah blah blah]”
Preface that with the words, ‘In my opinion’, and the statement might actually achieve objective legitimacy. A rare status indeed.
