That could work, AC is in need of an upgrade anyways and if it works it means SubClub can still go with the features they want while also giving out Anti Recon. Art of War is already helping me out with my stack as a whole
It depends how much features scripting vs anti-recon scripting. I think 50% features 50% anti-recon would be too much but I’d be willing to give up 10% features in favor of anti recon so a 90/10 or 95/5 ratio.
What is the current ratio with the first iteration?
The problem with anti recon is that, after more than half a year of continuous use, it’ll be guaranteed to become less useful for most people. It’s borderline useless after you get no recon at all.
Unless you have a deep seated recon that requires more than half to a full year to solve, the new anti recon scripting should be enough.
As a resident “use subs as long as possible”, I vote for more features.
+1 Features
I’m sure some will use the anti-recon scripting as an excuse to try to overload.
I remember when Sanguine first came out, and it was pointed out that Sanguine would help alleviate some of the recon symptoms, someone literally posted that now that we had Sanguine “I can squeeze in more loops!” (This is when we still had multiple loops per day as the M.O.)
Interesting, it sounds like the anti-recon scripting is fairly extensive?
My vote is more features. Basic anti-recon to take the edge off is fine.
Honestly this is sounding a bit similar to the nerfing discussion we’ve had previously. Microlooping is still a viable strategy to reduce recon if it’s severe.
This is not an option, unfortunately. [EDIT: I’ll look into it, actually. Let’s wait to see how the custom implementation works. I know it WILL work, but as well as what we’re seeing in Emperor: The Will to Power? Remains to be seen.]
Neither is this. Far too much work in updating. Would require double of EVERYTHING, including four stagers.
This is just an informal poll. No action will be taken, just seeing where everyone’s heads are at.
Not quite / theoretically, maybe? Either way, these are more of the kinds of insights I’m looking for.
Yep. Something to definitely watch for.
Depends. At the current level, it’s manageable. It COULD become extensive. I guess this conversation will eventually shift toward “how much recon should one expect and how much scripting should we include to mitigate it.”
Oh if it were a black or white question I’d say more anti recon without a doubt.
For titles jam packed with features and less anti-recon, that’s for the artisanal line, which is for people who know what they’re doing and how to navigate recon and have a strong foundation.
Really though no beginner should ever start out with 15 mins anyways IMHO. Pretty much everyone I recommend to start at the 1-3 min range does and gets great results - it’s not the “flow factor” it’s their pre-existing beliefs that set that.
Foundational means doing the basics EXTREMELY well. Wanted doesn’t need more features. Maybe wanted black does.
Maybe it should be title dependent?
For example, healing/recon prone titles will get the most anti-recon. DRR, Khan st1, Phoenix etc.
While subs that don’t induce as much recon would get the least.
Recon, resistance, whatever it’s called among people has been a huge block among the subliminal community, not just here. Other producers are stuffing their subs with tons of features but nobody has really cracked it.
Subclub has always been about approaching things differently and it just seems like it would follow the progression of how these subs have been developed and how they stand out from competition in terms of execution of the script.
Also genuine question. Who among you can check off every objective on a standard title after running it long term?
Might be better to ask this after more people get to try the anti-recon scripting. I voted for features because i don’t like the idea of cutting features for the sake of recon, but I might feel differently after I tried it.
Personally I’m waiting on the new EE and the option added to custom rebuilds.
Speaking from a limited perspective but i would not mind more anti recon features. The anti recon addition with True Social has transformed my Khan experience beyond my wildest dreams. It reminds me of the jump from Q to ZP. If people properly executed 50% of a single sub, reached those goals they would get more from a single sub than a full stack. Massive generalization here. I know the biggest gainers tend to keep it hush
I’ve been using subs for years, I can handle insane amounts of exposure with no recon whatsoever but I greatly benefit from the new tech and not because of the part for which it was called “anti-recon”. This tech not only smoothes out recon (which I don’t need so much, anyhow) but, as @Uber_Elysium said, it optimizes it, making the shifts not only rapid but very very profound. Don’t make the mistake thinking that if you get little to no recon you wouldn’t benefit from it.
Moreover, I don’t think “anti-recon” is a fortunate term for the new tech. I called it Blitzkieg as it helps reconcile really deep “issues” and really fast. I’m going to share how profound a shift happened in me yesterday on the new tech on the other thread (ZP discussion) later on. I would like to see more of Blitzkrieg in action before even trying to decide if I need more or less of it. Remeber, recon is a natural part of the process and it will always be there, having Blitzkrieg at our disposal helps us capitalize on recon to an incredible degree in terms of the quanity and quality of inner shifts.
Checks out
@Viktor had the genius idea of including it with Ascension Chamber, self explanatory. I would like to expand on it by suggesting adding them to LBFH and Genesis Art of Happiness since they are free and a great addition to any stack.
Edit: Recon goes beyond discomfort, not taking action or being overwhelmed by over exposure. I was not particularly in any noticeable recon before using new True Social with Anti recon features but it did so much by eliminating recon weeds before they could sprout, which lead to mind blowing efficiency and breakthroughs in less than few days. The recourses i would usually spend keeping my mind and emotions in check were spent somewhere far more productive, and pleasant
100%
I’m EXTREMELY in favor of the anti-recon scripting.
One of the biggest reasons I’ve been consistent with the main subs in my stack is I don’t want to risk any recon from a new sub. This new update will ease my worry when choosing a new sub.
But when it is pitted against the features of the sub itself,
I believe it is better to prioritize the features than the anti-recon scripting, ratio-wise.
Because EVEN the early version of it is already THIS strong. Case in point:
If it’s already this strong, do we really need a relatively higher ratio at the cost of the features?
I would love to see how this works for me when LE/HeO gets an update soon.
I’ve been using HeO for more than a year and LE for almost half a year total now.
No recon from them. From the beginning till now. I also plan to use HeO for years to come.
So it will be interesting to see how the anti-recon scripting helps me in this case.
@AnswerGroup looking at subzero’s argument, it is interesting to see the possibility that the anti-recon scripting not only deals with the early stages of acclimating with the sub but also to gain faster from it after you’re done with all the recon, if there’s any to begin with.
So, is the anti-recon scripting not just anti-recon, but also a result enhancer AFTER the recon phase is completely over?
A sort of booster like DRLD that helps you get to that next level from the other subs in your stack easier & faster.
Good point. These subs are like infinite value self feedback mechanisms. It would be like unlocking deeper and deeper levels of concepts. Like imagine there are levels you can’t even comprehend in your mind of reality but the anti recon tech helps you get there by even reconciling that.
Yes, not just “recon” as we know it. But a “limit destroyer” beyond the scope of a recon buster.
Though it sounds more like what NSE is supposed to do.
it helps you comprehend the next level by experiencing it yourself.
If it is indeed how the anti-recon works, it’d be interesting to see how they both complement each other.