7 Stages of Awakening

[Sungaze]

I’m digging into the site here:
https://www.awakeningtoreality.com

This is a brief summary/map of the “7 stages of Awakening” model (I know… it’s a model)

Summary of the 7 Stages of Awakening

Stage 1: The Experience of “I AM”

• Description: The realization of pure existence, characterized by a deep sense of “I AM” without any thoughts or identity. This is a state of pure presence and being, devoid of individual self.
• Key Insight: Experiencing the foundational sense of existence and the dissolution of individual identity.

Stage 2: The Experience of “I AM Everything”

• Description: The feeling of being one with everything. The practitioner realizes that “I AM” extends to all things, embodying an all-encompassing presence.
• Key Insight: The understanding of interconnectedness, where the sense of “I” is found in everything, but not as a personal self.

Stage 3: Entering Into a State of Nothingness

• Description: A deeper realization that the “I” is the root of all limitations and boundaries. This stage involves surrendering into a state of nothingness to dissolve the sense of self.
• Key Insight: The discovery of true freedom in spontaneity and effortlessness, transcending the personal self.

Stage 4: Presence as Mirror Bright Clarity

• Description: The experience of presence as vivid and clear, without the intermediary of a self. This stage is marked by a non-dual realization where phenomena are experienced directly.
• Key Insight: Non-dual awareness emerges, with a clear perception of reality without the sense of a separate observer.

Stage 5: No Mirror Reflecting

• Description: The practitioner realizes that there is no need for a subject to experience objects. The notion of a mirror reflecting reality dissolves, leaving only the experience of phenomena.
• Key Insight: A thorough non-dual experience where the dualistic separation between subject and object is fully dissolved.

Stage 6: The Nature of Presence is Empty

• Description: Understanding that even the aggregates (components of experience) are empty. This stage emphasizes the emptiness of all phenomena, including the sense of self.
• Key Insight: Realization of the empty nature of all experiences and the interconnectedness of all phenomena, transcending inherent existence.

Stage 7: Presence is Spontaneously Perfected

• Description: The culmination of the journey, where presence is realized as spontaneously perfected. This stage embodies a natural, effortless state of being, free from any sense of division or effort.
• Key Insight: Achieving a state of spontaneous perfection, where the nature of presence is fully actualized and integrated into everyday life.

Comments and Progression

• Insights and Refinement: Each stage builds upon the previous, gradually refining the understanding and experience of presence, self, and reality.
• Integration: The journey involves cycles of deepening insights, leading to a natural and effortless realization of non-dual awareness and the emptiness of all phenomena.
• Guidance and Practice: The text emphasizes the importance of clear guidance and contemplation on concepts like no-self (anatta) and emptiness to progress through the stages.

I’m curious, which subs would be more helpful for this “undoing path”?
Is there a “limit” in stages after which subs can’t do much (I’m thinking about script based on a subject/object dicoctomy)?

@AnswerGroup @Malkuth

[unusualfellow]

Any subs that deal with unresolved issues in your body can be spiritual… letting go and stepping in

[Skadoosh]

@Sungaze

I’m curious, which subs would be more helpful for this “undoing path”?

You just randomly found this on the internet and chose to believe it all?

I’m just curious, what makes you believe that this “undoing path” is correct?

I can make something similar with ChatGPT.

[Sungaze]

Have you opened the link in the OP?

BTW the summary is indeed made by chatgpt, to summarize (you know… for convenince) a very long explaination.

https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html?m=1

Anyone can follow the link and take a look if they are interested in it.

@Skadoosh

I’m just curious, what makes you believe that this “undoing path” is correct?

To be honest you seem trigger again

But back to the topic, I don’t “belive” or anyone on this “path” asks anyone to belive. The process goes on by looking, inquiry, ecc. by yourself

[Skadoosh]

@Sungaze

@Skadoosh

I’m just curious, what makes you believe that this “undoing path” is correct?

To be honest you seem trigger again

No, I’m not triggered.

You posted an internet website with blogs about “spiritual awakening”. You shared what you call the “7 stages of awakening” (a summary on the material found on the website) and you seem firm enough in your belief in all of the material as fact, to where you then asked for a subliminal recommendation that can help support its implementation.

I’m just genuinely curious on how someone can read all of that, and then instantly believe it all as fact.

I’m not triggered, I was trying to understand your process of understanding so that I could learn something from it.

@Sungaze

But back to the topic, I don’t “belive” or anyone on this “path” asks anyone to belive. The process goes on by looking, inquiry, ecc. by yourself

Thanks for the edit and clarification.

So if I’m understanding this correctly, you read the material and now you want to test it out for yourself? What is it about the material, that gives it enough validity for you to just go with it like that?

You don’t have to entertain these questions, you can simply ignore them if you want, lol.

[Sungaze]

@Skadoosh

I’m just genuinely curious on how someone can read all of that, and then instantly believe it all as fact.

So if I’m understanding this correctly, you read the material and now you want to test it out for yourself?
I’m already “testing” it. I’m not new to this kind of inquiry

@Skadoosh

What is it about the material, that gives it enough validity for you to just go with it like that?

As said in the previous post, direct experience.

If you are asking where this stuff comes from there are multiple traditions point at it.
An example is Zen 10 steps

The Ten Ox-Herding Pictures

Pointing, like “look there and see what you find”

Is a map absolute truth? Again, obviously not

@Skadoosh

I’m not triggered, I was trying to understand your process of understanding so that I could learn something from it.

My process basically goes by the line of:

1. Don’t make judgments about something I don’t know
2. Try what’s suggested maintain an open mind, grounded in direct experience and supported by honesty

@Skadoosh

You don’t have to entertain these questions, you can simply ignore them if you want, lol.

Don’t worry I just don’t have any problem to answer questions. I’m transparent about my current perspective and open to change it. I don’t need to look advanced and hide anything I’ve said in the past

[SoulFire]

Spiritual awakening is not what you think it is.

[Sungaze]

@SoulFire

Spiritual awakening is not what you think it is.

Yes, you can’t “think it”

[Skadoosh]

@Sungaze

My process basically goes by the line of:

1. Don’t make judgments about something I don’t know
2. Try what’s suggested maintain an open mind, grounded in direct experience and supported by honesty

Thanks for sharing your process.

I feel like it’s missing something, and I was kind of expecting more.

The fact is, I’ve seen gullible “New Age” people on the internet also have the same process when they “remove their chakras”, attempt to pry open their “third eye” and do all kinds of weird, insane bullshit.

That being said, if you feel like this is the only logical discernment you need, and you believe it’s enough to filter through millions of information on the internet with zero basis and personal “honest” accounts from strangers whom you can’t even psychologically evaluate… then by all means. Whatever floats your boat.

I think they call it free will or something… I can’t remember, lol.

[Lion]

There is good reason that posts like these are put on the Subliminal Club Black section of the forum.

I encourage you to post it there so that you can be amongst people who are into more esoteric topics

[Skadoosh]

@SoulFire

Spiritual awakening is not what you think it is.

Have you ever tried to pry open your third eye with a pair of metaphysical chopsticks?

[SoulFire]

@Skadoosh

Have you ever tried to pry open your third eye with a pair of metaphysical chopsticks?

I like to eat my noodles with a fork.

[Sungaze]

Man you keep giving judgments based on something you dont know, I dont get what you are trying to prove… but that’s free will too I guess

[Sungaze]

Yes I see the triggering people problem that came up in the other thread

@SaintSovereign

I, personally, never wanted to go this route, because I naively thought that through objective discussion, we could all come to mutual understanding, but I was absolutely wrong. There are some individuals who will, at any cost, attempt to force their views upon you with subtle, implied or overt threats, and this has crippled our ability to serve the customers we actually want for some time.

I’ll stop it here

Already asked access to the black forum, and maybe I’ll ask this with a ticket too

[SuperSaiyan]

For me the following images describe well how I see the awakening stages.

Note that I don’t see this as strict model. IMO there can be many variations of it. So I see these models here open for discussion, but for me they are a good base.

And talking about my experience, the trigger that started my awakening was being hit by a huge depression and anxiety having no idea where that did come from at the time (and today I still am not sure about its origin).

This depression put me close to death. I remember no professional, friend, nor family, would be able to help me.

I remember, there was a day where I just stayed in bed looking to the ceiling, without energy, without any hope, looking like I was living in an almost death planet where I was the only person still alive.

About this I feel truly lucky (and skilled) for being able to still live, recover (even though this has been by far the hardest thing I’ve done in my life), and now having the possibility to turn the tables and have all my dreams come true (this last phrase is probably influence from my subliminal stack ).

[Lion]

@Sungaze

maybe I’ll ask this with a ticket too

Yes please do. It is the official way to do it anyways.

Mention any SubClub Black products you have purchased with their order number and your forum email address.

@Sungaze

Yes I see the triggering people problem that came up in the other thread

Currently am not so sure if it is triggering or not so I thought I wouldn’t mention it. But I did think your question was honest.

Hope you continue with your spiritual journey

[Skadoosh]

@Sungaze

I dont get what you are trying to prove

Well, you seemed so firm that this “7 stages of awakening” is a real path and you asked for subliminal recommendations to implement said path.

@Sungaze

I’m curious, which subs would be more helpful for this “undoing path”?

So for someone to give you the recommendation, they have to know what exactly this “path” you’re referring to is. I clicked your link and I was brought to some sketchy “spiritual awakening” blog similar to the other million of them on the internet, lol.

I was just curious on your mental process of why you’re so strong in your belief that this is a valid path, to the point you’re straight up asking subliminals to help with it. For most people, this website you linked is a bunch of quackery, and they wouldn’t spend an ounce of their precious time in life or a slot in their subliminal stack to try and implement something so arbitrary, anecdotal, sketchy, and psychologically unevaluated.

@Sungaze

Man you keep giving judgments based on something you dont know

Yeah, but see I’ve heard these exact same words from people who “remove their chakras”, vomit “alien nanochips” and pry open their “third eye”.

"Stop judging, you don’t know man!.

First of all, there’s a difference between judging something and using a rational level of discernment. I did not judge, because I don’t have the full understanding - hence my line of questioning.

@Skadoosh

What is it about the material, that gives it enough validity for you to just go with it like that?

Trying to understand what actually validifies your commitment to this “awakening” material beyond just the generalized:

@Sungaze

My process basically goes by the line of:

1. Don’t make judgments about something I don’t know
2. Try what’s suggested maintain an open mind, grounded in direct experience and supported by honesty

Because this level of discernment can be applied to literally anything and can even be dangerous if what you’re committing to is flat out incorrect, misleading or something you’re not even ready for.

Not only all of that, but I even politely gave you the option to not have a discussion out of respect for your time and energy:

@Skadoosh

You don’t have to entertain these questions, you can simply ignore them if you want, lol.

[Sungaze]

@Skadoosh

Yeah, but see I’ve heard these exact same words from people who “remove their chakras”, vomit “alien nanochips” and pry open their “third eye”.

And this invalidate anything else that you dont know.

Your “rational discernment” is based only on past experiences (about what specifically I dont really get you just keep talking about cutting chakras, etc) , that’s all.

You dont know what that blog talks about, you dont know me.

But you are for sure (your words at least, but not confirmed by my rational discernment lol) more advanced and emotionally mature than all of this isn’it… so you dont need any of this

Are we ok?

I am

[IRON]

[Skadoosh]

In all honesty, this is a very powerful thread for me. It pretty much puts the nail in the coffin, on something I’ve always been 90% sure about but just needed that extra 10% confirmation. This thread is that 10% confirmation.

So actually, I have to thank you for making it, lol.