I wouldnt say you are stiring the pot. let be honest alot of people would be rich here if it worked so simply. however i would say it also is not a one and done subliminal experience. I have gotta a rich custom ultima . still waiting for result. 4 month. adverse experiences . but i also say subliminal work , hammer them hard , at least double , headphones for masked and ultrasonic whilst sleep
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You’re not stirring the pot. You were frustrated and reaching out for help. May not have came across the best way, but we all ask for help, sometimes in the not so obvious ways.
Subs work, but like Fire and others have mentioned, you have to take action. I know you probably have been, and I’m not dismissing your efforts but look out for new ideas, insights and whatever else you get. That’s how I ‘feel’ my subs, even though I don’t really ‘feel’ them. Make sure you journal and look back in hindsight, that’s how I know I’ve gotten results.
Also, as others suggested, listen to Ultima’s through flat response headphones for better results, and listen to masked subs through headphones too. I used to listen to any SC sub through speakers over night whilst sleeping but I’m getting a better response by listening through the day, with headphones and taking little bits of action.
Seems people get some response from ultrasonics over speakers/phone speakers when listening over the night but the majority seems to be definitely seems to be headphones during the day.
I personally listen with my AirPod Pros, but they’re not flat response and I still get some kind of effect with Ultima’s, but I’d recommend flat response ones for sure. The other masked subs you can listen to with any kind of headphones I’m assuming?
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i’m using this headset
I don’t see anything about Flat Response etc.
tbh have no clue about stuff like this. Could someone tell me if this headset is good for subclub? Or if I need to change them? (I can’t afford top of the line stuff btw just letting you know coz someone always suggests those brands lol)
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I have no idea about flat response headphones, but I know some have suggested some cheaper ones that still do well.
I don’t use anything other than my AirPod Pros for subs so I’m not sure.
Maybe the above will work, but just incase of suggestions:
Paging @RVconsultant @Sub.Zero @Azriel @Lion
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Studio headphones are usually Flat Response.
But I don’t use those. I mostly use the AKG headphones I got along with my Samsung Note and occasionally use a bluetooth Senheisser
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These look good. And for the price, they’re a steal. 
One of the reviews actually says that the Bass is not good … which is precisely what we want. 
Enjoy your masked and ultima files. Looking forward to your progress reports. 
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When traveling in an unknown or mysterious land, it can be even more important than usual to observe carefully and to describe accurately. Not in order to have ‘hope’ or to see that everything is actually always great, but to be able to navigate realistically.
To me, the roots and the seeds of subliminal results do grow in an unknown land. They begin in a space of ambiguity. Is anything even really happening? Would this good fortune have occurred anyway? Results, particularly in challenging, slow-to-grow areas, can occur in a subtle and hard-to-notice way.
So what is the answer?
To me, it’s not hope. It’s equanimity. Just work at your task; and try to defer excessive judgment and expectation. We’re human, and of course, sometimes we’ll check to see how things are developing. That’s okay. But keep it in check. And give things time to develop.
That’s my personal preference.
On the other hand, the Faith approach has its merits as well. Allow yourself to be biased to the side of expecting positive results. Sometimes this can facilitate a faster opening to greater results. I’ll allow that in myself sometimes, but I don’t like to follow that attitude to the degree of indulgence.
I like to be equally skeptical of optimism and pessimism. But if I have to sacrifice one in any given moment, it’ll probably be pessimism.
Why?
Because I know that life is short. I might as well look out for some positive things and enjoy them. But that’s a personal choice. Pessimism in moderation has its benefits too, since it tends to lead to greater vigilance and conscientiousness.
I’ll take a good plan that fits my nature well over either pessimism or optimism any day of the week. A solid pair of boots and a decent direction in which to walk. The peaks and the valleys can go eff themselves, as long as I’m able to keep walking.
I want to let the subliminals and the angels help me, but to keep most of my attention on figuring out how to do my part well. When they help me, as they always do, I’ll be grateful. And I’ll also keep walking; just like I hope I would have done if they hadn’t helped me.
I’m describing ideals. I don’t actually hit the mark half the time.
On another note, I’ll look forward to wishing a fellow Taurus happy birthday next Tuesday. May your purses and coffers flow with abundance, may your heart and mind luxuriate in contentment and comfort; and may your body feel the joys of productive, passionate labor for the dreams of your choosing.
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They might work. I think the idea is that for Ultima that flat response is ideal.
The one’s @SaintSovereign pointed out that are also the $50 (great price) is Audio-Technica ATH m20x. The Sennheiser hd 280 pro are also recommended but about $100.
Thanks for the tag @Brandon!
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What are flat response headphones?
No extra bass etc. You have flat response.
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You’re extremely intelligent bro
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Thank you @Yazooneh.
Appreciate the compliment.
An aspiring one. Slippery old fish gets away from me.
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Gonna give you some tough love. Repeat after me: Your personal reality and experiences does NOT dictate objective reality for an entire diverse group of people. You “not getting results from multiple vendors” does NOT mean that everyone that’s getting results suffers from some kind of group delusion. It means that for whatever reason, YOU do not respond to subliminals. You do not have the right to tell people that their results are fake, or a figment of their imagination, or “placebo” simply because you don’t feel like you got the results you wanted.
You must take action when running a subliminal. Point blank, period. If that’s not something you personally want to do, fine – go find another self-help modality. What you’re not going to do is come here, tell people not to take action / ignore recommendations and guidelines and then proclaim that “subs don’t work.” It’s so hilarious to see people do EVERYTHING BUT run the sub and take action, then claim they never got results.
We tell people – run 2 loops, then go apply for jobs or register a domain name, or whatever. People like you will respond by running 8 loops and then sitting on the couch and doing nothing, expecting a magical email to just appear in your inbox with a job offer for $150k/year. We tell people, run one loop of Libertine, then go out and nod or smile at people you find attractive. People like you will run 8 loops, then walk aimlessly around a store, eyes at the ground hoping someone beautiful will just fall on their knees and beg to service you sexually.
Do not come here and mislead people by claiming that clearing blockages and taking action are meaningless to the performance of a subliminal. This is the very reason you haven’t gotten results. With subs, I went from homeless to millionaire. I have four businesses, three of which are automated and passive. I’m eyeballing the purchase of a $500,000 highrise condo, the culmination of a childhood dream, and I just bought my new car in CASH.
I am not suffering from “placebo,” or some other nonsense. I ran my subs, I put in the work, and success and abundance now surrounds me. I’m not the only one. @OldChap had a remarkable journey, as well as numerous others who want to remain anonymous (ya’ll know who you are, speak up) who’s now making incredible money and living a good life.
@viv – Do not listen to dreamkillers, people too lazy and too closed minded to see the bigger picture of why taking action is important. Based on what you’ve said, the subs are definitely having a response, but you’re coming from a very bad place. I’m referring specifically to this:
This would be reconciliation. Textbook reconciliation at that. If your stack is making you feel more angry and frustrated, that is a RESPONSE. It’s a result. It may not be the result you want, but it definitely means that your subconscious is responding to the sub. If you grew up in an atmosphere where you were constantly berated, or put down, or subtly told that you’d never success, the stack you’re running will most definitely cause this response.
I had the same issue for years – I talked about it in depth in an earlier journal. I grew up in a place where I was always told I’d amount to nothing, and as a result, I STILL have internal wealth ceilings. It took forever for me just to break the $100k wealth ceiling. And even though I’m doing better, I still feel weird pangs of guilt and sadness when I think about obtaining more wealth. That’s the faulty programming from childhood rearing it’s ugly head again.
It took 5 years of running subs and taking action to break through, but the journey itself was amazing. I’d recommend dropping HoM for now, since that scripting is probably WAAAAAAAYYYY too advanced for where you are. Stick with EoG and RICH, and keep working toward that funded trading account. Do NOT let people convince you to just stop and “move on.”
Why the hell would anyone even recommend that? I’ll tell you why – if you quit, get annoyed and start bashing subs, you’ll justify his worldview, where he wants to believe that subliminals don’t work. Because, if subliminals don’t work, then that means he’s not to blame for whatever issues he had in life to even start looking at subs. It’s just “fate” or something and nothing can change. If subs DO work if you take action, then that means the path his life will take is completely up to him. And people REALLY tend to hate that mindset, because we’ve been conditioned by society to think otherwise.
@viv – you choose right now which direction you want to go. Do you want to give up before you’ve even gotten the funded trading account – a HUGE pathway to manifestation – or do you simply want to just give up, believe that EVERYONE getting results are just making it up.
If you want that funded trading account, where you’ll one day have that @SaintSovereign and @Fire money (or even more, the sky’s the limit), you block any notion of quitting, you ignore anyone claiming that taking action is somehow a “bad” thing, sit your ass down in front of the computer and study some new trading signals while running your stack.
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P.S. You’re not stirring the pot. Your post was written respectfully and from the heart. Not everyone is going to get phenomenal results from the start, and helping you get there is what we’re all here for. Don’t ever feel bad about writing in to discuss your lack of results.
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If I thought you were stirring the pot or causing drama, I or @DarkPhilosopher probably would have called you out.
You’re cool mate.
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@viv keep going man, never give up on your dreams and your vision! Glad you shared, made yourself vulnerable, stayed humble, and as a result learned and grew as a person. The community is better off for having had this discussion that you started, welcome!
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Thanks bro. Very kind of you to say. Appreciate it. Take care 
Belief is the pencil with which we are creating the endless possibilities of realness or the lack of them. The stronger the belief is felt in the heart, the stronger the reshaping of everything.
Feel the subs!
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Glad I found this post. I have almost same situation. I want to master trading. And nothing else seem like a good fit for me currently, as money itself is my main aim. And I choose to get it from trading.
The main killer for me is, I’m getting impatient by living the way I currently am. I don’t desire material possessions like luxury houses and fast cars, but I desperately want the freedom which comes with money. I am also trying to make too many things work at once. Like getting more girls or fixing my beliefs, etc. And what I end up doing is almost nothing. I look at the charts for an hour or so and then get back to my phone, texting all these different girls. There’s almost zero outdoor activities these days. As after the lockdowns, I have no motivation to go out, and I developed cheap habits to replace the real life stuff.
I bet all of this has a LOT of effect on my learning abilities, my emotional stability and mental health which are crucial to trading. I find myself ruminating over things I know have no real life effect for me.
I’d request @SaintSovereign and others to help me out and get out of this rut. As I don’t think I can sustain this kind of schedule for long.
A few more things I wanted to add, I know about most of the psychological pitfalls of our brains, like the need to feel superior, ego satisfaction, etc. But I still fall in on them regularly. It’s like I sometimes think that I REALLY need to chill out and let low, like emptying my mind, if that makes any sense.
I have seen a good bit of progress, but my instant gratification lifestyle refuses to see it as progress. So I may be under or overestimating things as well, haha.
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