I think alot of the questions are because there isn’t an objectives section,then we would clearly see it say “manifests money”
I know it would take long but it surely wouldnt take as long as writing the description
Is this the new generation kind of thing… OMG 1 loop of (x)… eeire silence…! The old generations goes… what??.. what happened…?
New generation… cliffhanger… 
Or maybe it’s just the modern way of treating all text boxes on the internet as short text messages where it’s illegal to add more than 10 words in a row… 
So as a the genration that came before that I can say I have 2 loops (3 min) under my belt so far of St1, and today and yesterday it has been kicking my ass. I have had a lot of anger and feelings of apathy throughout these days, with moments of intense jaw tension…
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You and @JCDenton both: name a single feature in EoG that if successfully learned WOULDN’T lead to the “manifestation” of more money.
You guys are looking for “money falling from the sky,” and EoG is for the person of action who wants to seize control of their wealth journey and guide it through effort, with the title ASSISTING them.
Obviously, there’s wealth manifestation in EoG, pretty much every module, but if you’re the type of person that really needs this spelled out, EoG is not for you. There is no similarities and differences because there are none. It is a four stage title that covers a lot of ground, there is nothing else in our product lines, nor anyone else’s that goes as granular as EoG.
To claim that you cannot tell the difference between RICH and EoG is madness and is furthering my suspicions that an agenda is being formed and executed, particularly with this notion of “omg the titles are all the same and should be merged,” a falsity that we have explained multiple times, and I recognize that the single perpetrator of this budding agenda ignored my last responses to them which went into great detail about this and simply migrated to this thread and started attacking EoG.
If you are legitimately having that much trouble understanding the differences between titles, our products may not be for you.
There will be no merging of titles. It is off the table. And we’re not going to deal with individuals trying to rile up others where there is no problem before. We are in the midst of a lot of work and we do not have time for this.
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Your right,also i promise im not trying to push an agenda man 
Also i think what i said was misintepreted,theres alot of people asking questions about eog some asking if it manifests money and i was saying if there was an objectives list like the other subliminals and in the objectives “manifesting money” was listed like r.i.c.h and mogul it would clear some confusion
I was just talking about the objectives list,not whether or not it manifests money
- the last thing i want is to delay or prevent you from updating titles
It is interesting how some individuals have trouble seeing these simple differences between titles as well as not seeing the deeper possibilities and features of each title unless it is distinctly pointed out in the copy, and yet there’s always a push from the community for more advanced titles.
This is one of the reasons why we have to be so careful in what we release. How could we ever release a highly advanced title when there are people who are unable to intuitively grasp the basic mechanisms of a title, when such is basically mandatory in order to work with it?
And we already know that the inability to work with a title will not stop people from trying to use it, as we’ve seen before with people completely ignoring WANTED and Stark and going straight for WANTED Black and Stark Black.
I will also point out this - for those who want a “merging” of the titles - if we did so, you would not be able to get any profound results out of it. You are literally shooting yourself in the foot with this idea. If we took this idea to its logical conclusion (which will never happen in reality), then you would end up with 6 massive kitchensink titles, and each one barely working with minimal results.
What are you here for?
To satisfy your FOMO?
Or for results?
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Let’s be serious for a second—do you really not see how all these stages lead to building lasting wealth? Unless you’re expecting a sub to help you win the lottery or make money magically appear, wealth always comes from something you provide in exchange for it—whether through a business, a job, investments, or trading.
EOG isn’t about sporadic, accidental manifestations of money. It’s about helping you build a real-world framework through which massive wealth can materialize. That framework takes the form of a business, a career, or something similar. That’s how sustainable wealth is created.
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I think people have had trouble distinguishing if there is things like the manifestations of opportunities, or random wealth occurrences, because it is something we all have experienced in the past on specific titles, but it was also directly in the copy, and now it appears it is not, or at least not emphasized.
I don’t think this was ever in question by anybody, the question seemed to be about in what way, rather then if it does. Even at that, I think there was no question that building the right skill sets and mindset will lead to wealth, it was more of a question of if there is also “manifestation” scripting, which is mentioned in nearly every copy from romance titles like WB, to wealth titles like Emperor, HOM, RICH, etc, so in my opinion it’s a totally valid question, and in this specific situation I’m not sure if it’s due to the customers inability to discern the information (Although that can quite frequently be the case).
Not saying it is/was, but in the past this was definitely something that occurred, and while I don’t think it’s the most important thing, there was an element of “I can’t believe this just happened to me” that is certainly a nice added benefit and builds positive momentum/feedback loops.
As someone who has been with sub club for over 5 years, I can certainly attest to that “money falling out of the sky” experience that I’ve had, and while I put in quite a bit of work, I would notice things like me closing more deals than I ordinarily would have, which I attributed to the subs.
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Neville Goddard’s brother famously used the manifestation techniques Neville taught to build a company that made him incredibly wealthy. This was back in 1929, and nearly a century later, that company—Goddard Enterprises Ltd.—is still thriving as one of the wealthiest businesses in Barbados.
Here is a picture of it.
The same wealth principles that have sustained that company for almost 100 years—ensuring both longevity and profitability—are embedded within the four stages of EOG. Even Neville Goddard, the master of manifesting money seemingly out of thin air, understood that lasting wealth follows precise principles and patterns. That’s exactly what EOG is designed for, and it’s precisely what I was looking for.
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So, if I said that “random wealth occurrences” WASN’T in the script, which it isn’t – it has the same “manifestation” scripting as all the other wealth titles – you wouldn’t run EoG? You would trade the deep richness that EoG has to offer, over a couple of bucks here or there that seems like it came out of nowhere?
Are you sure that EoG is for you? This sounds more “beginner wealth” mindset, people who need little hits of cash here or there to keep themselves motivated. EoG has a massive spread, and will legitimately help people evolve into absolute wealth generating warriors, and the focus here in this conversation – which yes, quite annoys me is…
… does EoG bring me a couple of bucks here or there?
@Fire actually commented that he saw a ticket claiming that Stages 3 and 4 are “alike.” Go back to Genesis: Mogul. We stated that EoG had a hybrid method of creation, where it could be run sequentially as well as choosing whatever title you wanted. We stated that the sequential part of it means there’s a bit of overlap from stage to stage, deepening concepts for those who wanted to approach it in a sequential, progressive method.
And these type of issues is why we’ve just decided that Q-Pro, as much as we don’t like the idea, will have to be a more selective environment. In our eyes, EoG isn’t even that complicated to understand, but our optimism may have gotten the best of us.
And to many of the people who are indeed trying to force an agenda, even if you are well-intentioned. Please remember one thing: You have never actually created a subliminal audio title for mass use. It is easy to say something, and then put it into expression. We have been doing this for quite some time now, and I can assure you that we’ve thought more deeply about these subjects than most people.
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Oh… you dun done it now. They on yo ass, boa. Betta go on and getcha act togayther now. Go on.
-smacks @JCDenton on the butt-
Rofl, but on a serious note. In the title of EOG, it literally says “The Ecstasy of Gold Multistage: Manifest Wealth”
People are forgetting that if you’re developing skills, cultivating your value (not just self-worth but actual competence and knowledge), growing your abundant mindset, etc… then those changes all get feedback in the form of manifestations. Your mindset creates the manifestations, lol.
For example, just randomly picking from stage 1:
There’s no mention of “manifestation” in this segment, but if you’re healing scarcity, unworthiness, and negative beliefs about money… then your Zero Point or internal framework will start outputting more abundance instead of scarcity which you then get feedback for in the form of positive manifestations.
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Exactly. This man’s ready for EoG.
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Was literally just a genuine and reasonable question, and if I meant I wouldn’t run it without it being in the script I would have just said that. It is something to consider when your path to wealth is through salesman ship, and deals getting closed, or not getting closed, makes 5-6 figures per year differences in my income.
As long as it has the same “manifestation” scripting as everything else, I’m pretty set lol. It’s just the word manifestation is used 20+ times in all of the other wealth titles (copies), so one is left to wonder when it is not there, if the title operates differently.
Personally, I’ve noticed my commissions being several thousands of dollars different per month, depending on how dialed in I am, what stack combination I’m running, and obviously there is outside factors, but to me those extra finances properly utilized, is what is going to allow me to get from Square A, to Square B, so it can be an important thing to consider.
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People are also applying an unnecessarily narrow definition of the word ‘skill’.
Go back to the basics:
Subliminals always work with the subconscious mind.
Subliminals always work via (by way of) the subconscious mind.
This remains true whether or not a program is action-oriented, or skill-oriented.
Given a powerful, turbo-charged, efficient, silent super car with amazing handling,
people are arguing about the shape of the steering wheel and the placement of the door handles and ignoring the engine.
You want magical manifestation? That part has always been supplied by your subconscious mind.
And guess what always works with your subconscious mind?
Subliminals.
That’s always going to be a part of it.
Done.
Simple.
No need to worry about that part.
Please move on.
Now, if you understand that, we can focus on what is constantly being innovated, innovated, and innovated again here at Subliminal Club:
How can we best, most efficiently, most smoothly harness and apply this engine of subconscious change?
That’s the point.
Don’t look at the steering wheel and assume you understand the engine.
The skills focus, the free will focus, the external situation focus, etc., these are the steering wheels that allow you to make the most effective and the most intentional use of the engine of change.
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This (the new kind of copy) is IMO the crucial point here.
“Manifestation” always was shorthand for a bunch of different aspects (leaving lots of room for projection), now the EoG copy spells a lot of these points out (getting insync with markets & customers, perception shifts, focus on specific areas, opportunities etc.), it just reads/feels a little different even though it describes the same, makes taking action way easier and probably brings quicker and better results.
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BILLionaire V3 upgrade is finished! At work now. I’ll download tonight and stack it with either Waned or my Wanted Black custom.
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The more it’s unpacked by fellow forum members and the conversation here
(albeit with some fire) the more I have clarity on this sub
I often have strong intuitive reactions to subs that create a desire for clarification and concern.
I think part of that has to do with how much hope and power I can attribute to a sub being able to change elements of my life.
That was this dumb dumb lol
I was basing it on the overall descriptions of the stages, not the guidelines underneath. They both seemed oriented around breaking wealth ceilings and advanced wealth concepts, so I was more looking for the use case of each when I meant the difference.
I also had a strong emotional reaction to this sub, which I mentioned in the inquiry to look for a better understanding, so apologies, @Fire, or to anyone with which my lack of knowledge, understanding, concern, or emotional reactivity may have had an untoward impact.
I do understand there may be frustration or bafflement in dealing with everyone’s perceptions or lack of recognition of what has been done. Still, I think, given the high-level concepts here, emotions associated with the topic, the tendency of many here to be analytical overthinkers, and the shift in copy, I think a bit of dissonance is to be expected.
I believe the scope of the new EOG intimated me.
It’s so outside the world I’m living in.
I think I’m also confronted by the idea of building something for the long run at the expense of the short term, which I now see as my blind spot or limiting belief even in considering running EOG.
I may still be in the world of getting by and not losing what I have, despite major advancements in my economic position.
I believe elements of ‘the universe conspiring’ on your behalf, synchronicities, and perfect opportunities coming along are what people consider manifestation and as Saint has pointed out lately manifesation is a function of something manifested through action and actively making that thing happen as well. We even have modules on benevolent spirit guides that are drawing this in. I was more curious to what degree those elements were incorporated into this EOG
Also, being in sales myself,
I have tracked my sub-uses relating to my lead quality and sales for the last year.
And while not a controlled experiment, I notice a very consistent and direct impact on what randomly shows up in my calendar as a function of certain subs. This is one way in which I am defining manifestation
It’s very clear when it’s my performance or the lead quality that dictates my performance. So if my performance is on and I consistently get higher revenue and higher quality clients, I consider that manifestation from a sub. EOG, HOM, and Minds Eye boost these occurrences, RICH does as well but not as much, but it does help with unrelenting energy in making money.
Through this conversation, I am coming closer to a deeper understanding of the real value of the new EOG.
However, given if intuitively understanding it correctly through the copy is a requisite to running it then I am not ready and I’ll start with ROW.
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I think people confuse manifestation with opportunity. What @Skadoosh said above is about changing your mindset and beliefs so that the opportunities that were oblivious to a person stuck in a scarcity mindset now will see opportunities. This is when the work begins
I’m posting this as much for myself as for others
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Agreed.
If an object was covering your nose and mouth making it difficult to breathe, and then that object is removed, you don’t have to now ‘manifest’ a world full of oxygen to breathe. The oxygen-filled world was already there the whole time.
Once the block is gone, you just need to breathe.
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You have proven my point. You’ll have to forgive us if we are coming across as agitated. It’s because we are. The complaint (and let’s be real here, subtle accusation) is that the titles are “too similar” and “should be merged.” Those stating this are completely leaving out the fact that – again, using myself as an example – we all have different approaches to “wealth.”
How are you so sure that the “manifestation” scripting is what generated this? You pointed out that “depending on how dialed in I am,” as one of the factors. @Fire and I have a unique ability to understand what’s called “subtext.” When we see someone talking, we can easily discern the subtext of what’s happening. It’s not something we trained – or at least with me – it’s something that is natural to my personality. Embedded within it, it’s simply how I think. And when I hear “depending on how dialed in I am,” it immediately translates to: “How much action I take in a month.”
What you are attributing to some basic “manifestation” script, is actually most likely the active manifestation scripting that’s inherent in all titles. And that scripting is easy to explain: when you take action, enjoy the experience of life and creating a business / establishing career, things will begin to fall into place. The NSE will help bring out those moments in your life on a day to day basis, once you are taking action.
The reliance on “manifestation” scripting that’s designed to “bring money out of thin air” would be extremely inconsistent. You would be basing your business endeavors on happenstance – a very passive position to take.
How are you going to build the foundations of grand wealth on magical thinking? Hence, we provide you with a set of tools that are guaranteed to bring wealth by its very nature. Stage 2: Decoding Customer Desires, Magnetic Marketing Strategies, Data-Driven Wealth. If you pay close attention to our actions, you will see that we were testing these very modules WAY back when we were doing the Zero Point stories and musical singles, testing ideas and branding.
In fact, Value Proposition Crafting – this module led to the testing of various forms of copy, which we will slowly A/B test until we get it right. Monetizing Creativity. That should be a given. Company Culture Creation – think about it. Our company culture is about accepting diversity while honoring individuality. In other words, we decided to unify peoples of differing cultures, religions, political beliefs while respecting their rights as an individual to choose – hence the company’s “neutrality” on these issues.
Or this:
Innovation Hubs
Guides you in creating dynamic spaces that inspire creativity and collaboration, transforming ideas into tangible solutions. Helps you build processes that nurture innovation, encouraging brainstorming, prototyping, and iterative growth. By fostering an environment where diverse perspectives thrive, you unleash the power of collective genius, turning possibility into progress and wealth.
My brother in spirit. You are LITERALLY interacting with this module on the forum right now.
This is one of the modules that led to the creation of our new productivity system, which is actually ROCKING. We’re so in control of what needs to happen next – will literally open so many doors.
This one led me to change my Qigong practice from late night to mid-afternoon, when I’m about to do the most demanding work, as my routine places me in a very deep state of relaxation and clarity. Ironically, I haven’t been able to do this for a couple of a days, and we can clearly see the outflow. Irritation. My mood has changed since I just shut everything down to do an hour of Qigong with @Fire, and now I’m in a deeper state of relaxation. Again, this module helped me see all of this.
We are not about creating parlor tricks. So many people wanna see us make “Kundalini” style titles (you would not believe how many people want us to make titles to “give” them superpowers), and the only thing we ask ourselves is – HOW would we even accomplish this and if we could, why?
Release a title designed to essentially, well – you all know the alleged end results of “Kundalini” – when there’s people claiming not to see the difference between EoG and RICH???
I, for one, will not engage in any business endeavor in which I am not innovating the product or market. That’s why I didn’t do nearly as well in dropshipping as I could’ve. I was making an incredible amount of money just dropshipping stuff from China, but it was ABSOLUTELY BORING.
Money for the sake of money just doesn’t do it for me. People like myself – which there are a lot of people here who are – deserves a wealth title that is geared toward that.
Personally, I don’t want fame scripting, I don’t want romance, and I want all of the wealth scripting to be directed towards building wealth through innovation.We deserve our titles like Nouveau R.I.C.H. Just because an individual has FOMO and can’t decide what path they want to take does not mean that WE somehow lack integrity and are releasing titles that are “too similar.”
I bet I could tag… say @Malkuth , @Jouissance and @ksub (just off the top of my head since I just read posts by them) and gave a little scenario and I bet they could come up with the most perfect stack for that hypothetical person.
Here, everyone can try it: Let’s say that I am… 22 years old. Fresh out of college with a computer science degree, but I’m not really interested in going into Big Tech as a Junior Developer because I have fears of AI replacing that role. I have some savings, enough to start a small online service, but I have no idea what. My interests are coding – even though I don’t want to join a company, I want to use my coding skills to create my own computer. I’m a humanitarian and I want whatever service I make to serve and uplift humanity. Very innovative, would love to disrupt a market, but I am comfortable with Wealth goals are to live very comfortably. No need for millions of dollars, I think $250k/year would be more than enough.
What are his potential stacks?
If the only wealth title we had was some “generic” title with just “wealth scripting” without taking in account the diverse set of people and respecting their walks of life, the only thing this SUPERTITLE would generate is recon, except in a very small subset of people who will approach wealth in a very basic manner because the scripting simply doesn’t fit them.
And so, the answer is and remain – no.
Now, what we CAN do is figure out a manner to further delineate the differences based on scenario and that’s something we’re looking into this year. Some kind of quiz or “stack builder” that lets you put in what you’re looking for an it will return a potential stack for you to post here and get more feedback on.
But, cut down on complexity? I think not. And this is also a call for people to truly evaluate their stacks and see if the titles they’re running should be replaced, or if you even need a title for that AT ALL. We know it’s difficult to have only two titles and that last slot is just open, but self-denial and focus is a talent and a skill that is necessary not just here, but in all walks of life.
I’m planning on reopening my journal soon, and you’ll see that I have pivoted to one title at a time, for a month, then I switch to another, rotating through all three. The first set will probably be RenMan UWX, RenMan Vibes and EoG Stage 3 or 4. This takes patience and focus to achieve, because like everyone else, I will want to fill that stack up. Thing is, what’s best for me, the company, @Fire and the customers is not being in a state of recon, considering the work that we do.
That is a full analysis of the situation and I am taking decisive action toward a particular goal (write a novella, create an album) that I want to achieve this year.
In my opinion, FOMO is a mindkiller. It comes from a place of scarcity and lack of confidence. A person thinks they have to achieve all these things, all at once to actually get anywhere in life, when the fact of the matter is: success is progressive. It will not grow overnight, there is no sub that will turn you into an absolute success overnight. Attempting to rush these things will most certainly end in RECON and a lack of results.
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Yes!!
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