William’s Winning Wayfare

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#1294

A second burst of results after 4-6 cycles.

It’s as Jouissance said. From shallower to deeper.
But the scope of what gets deeper can be random at times.
Sometimes the whole sub gets deeper, sometimes only specific parts of it.

If a result was so shallow that it was unnoticeable at first, it can get deeper after the burst to the point where i start to think “this is new, is it from the sub?”

Like the patience scripting from HeO, less constriction from WB etc.

God damn that’s a lot

I plan to use HeO with no end date too.
But I want to find a point where i could put down the sub and maintain a vast chunk of its effects.

The number seems to be different depending on the subs & my goals with them.
12 cycles wasn’t enough to my satisfaction for HeO.
But around that much is enough for LBFH.
What lingered & what LBFH has changed are enough for what i want.
But i have more & deeper goals with HeO.

I plan to use EoG too next year. 4x a month.
Mogul alone is more than enough for everything, but i want to see what EoG can give me.

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#1295

idk - for me - people exercise and could stop at any point in time and still keep a vast chunk of the impact, but ultimately, they don’t, because growth is exhilirating, and it feels good, and is good.

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#1296

Connecting it with exercise is a good idea.

Gains are great, but people after 5-10 years of a proper bodybuilding regime might say “this is enough, i want to focus on other things”. After that period of time, they’ll almost hit their natty limit anyway.

The best part is, it’s scientifically proven that you’ll only need just a tiny fraction of your workout to maintain the gains.

So maybe the answer for maintaining the results is simply to run the sub at least twice every cycle.

This is a compelling theory. But i’m seeing it from muscle hypertrophy point of view, not strength or skill. A sub is closer to the latter, I’ll need to read more on the studies about this.

My run of DRR2 & Mogul has proven this theory’s viability. But i still need more data to say “yeah, this is the way”.

Maybe a good lifehack is to just dump every sub you want to maintain into a “maintenance custom” and run it 2 times a cycle as the third sub. That way the focus is still on the main stack, but the results from the ones we’ve used for years won’t decay.

Very tempting.

I’m gonna microloop LBFH next month in place of AC.

My experiment 2 years ago with mogul showed that its not enough to gain, but it should be enough to maintain.

LBFH is the only sub i’ve run for around a year that I don’t currently have in my stack.
This will give me more data to prove the maintenance theory.

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#1297

I’m starting to think 13 on 4 off is not a good idea.
11 on 4 off is the max.

It’s not clear yet, but I’ll start the mid month washout early just to cleanse the palate.

I’m not entirely convinced that 13 on 4 off is the problem though.
I need more data. So I’ll use it again for the latter half of this month.
If I feel the same thing, then it might be.

DRR2 might fuck my productivity next month.
And I forgot I don’t have access to HeO because of the cyclical break.
Mogul alone won’t be able to weather that potential shitstorm by itself.

I guess I’ll have to delay my plan to experiment with LBFH and use LE instead.
Using EE should be better & more straightforward, but that’s a new sub, it’s too risky.
I can afford some recon from DRR2, but god forbid recon from 2 subs at the same time.
So I’ll pick the safe path. LE + DRR2 with Mogul as a supplementary sub.

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#1298

Great! Now it’s tempting me too lol.

Love the idea.

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#1299

@Viktor

Great journal, I’m not remotely caught up so forgive anything you may have mentioned already

  1. Have you experience strength physical changes with Hero- I’ve run Hercules in a custom (which I believe that or some version is in Hero) and the strength gains are insane
  2. Have you ever stacked Hero with Khan or a seduction sub and if so -how was the synergy
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#1300

Thankyou! Don’t worry, sometimes I just write random shits, plans that didn’t survive, or I repeat some points over and over again, lol.

I’ve been in the process of cleaning my journal though, it’s gonna take time since we can only delete 10 messages a day.

It feels more like a guide than a direct boost. It’s directing me towards having better strength instead of just a flat out boost. Well, at least that’s how it manifested in me. I’ve been training my strength & bodybuilding for years so the result might not be as pronounced as for someone who’s still new/intermediate.

I did feel a burst of extra effort here and there, but it’s so sparse that I can’t confirm it’s from HeO.

Yep, with WB back then. The synergy itself is great. They really helped me with my meditation goals. But as saint said, those two are as far apart as you can get. It doesn’t mean you’ll get recon from using both, but your focus will be so scattered that you’ll end up having to prioritize one over another.

Declining WB’s manifestations suck, but I decided to focus on HeO.

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#1301

I found that 3 times a month is enough to progress with DRR2 & to maintain Mogul.
2 times a month should be barely enough for progress, but more than sufficient for maintenance. I’m currently gathering more data on this.
Once a cycle is useless. My friend confirmed it to me after they tried it for months.

Since my cycle is ~30 days (11 on 4 off twice a month), 2 times a normal 26 day cycle should be a bit more potent than what I’m working with.

If I can get more data and prove the viability of this theory, it could completely change how I plan my schedule going forward. My main concern now is having the focus too scattered even with only 2 loops every cycle.

Other pattern that I’m thinking of experimenting with is:
Cycle 1: 2 times, at the start & at the end.
Cycle 2: 1 time in the middle.
1 is too little, 2 might scatter the focus. so this is the middle ground.

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#1302

Yep, lately been looking in the mirror, sexy mf over there.
Looked in the mirror at the grocery store, sexy mf over there.
It’s almost as strong as when I was using WB.

It really feels like something inside that blocked my sexuality has been cleansed.

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#1303

Transitioning to LE now so I won’t get overloaded when I switch DRR1 to DRR2.

I’ll also ditch Mogul completely in favor of LE.

Stack switching in the middle of DRR2,3,4 seems like a recipe for disaster.
And by the time I’m done with DRR4, the new HERO title will be close to being available.
There’s no room to go back to Mogul, at least until next year. So I’ll be stuck with LE.

Goodbye free money :cry:

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#1305

Are you referring to Genesis: Mogul?

I’d love to hear your experience with it — what kind of benefits have you noticed?

I actually have it embedded in a custom alongside Primal Seduction, but I’ve never run it on its own. The custom feels pretty heavy, and it’s been hard to tell exactly what each component is doing.

If you’ve used G:Mogul solo, I’d really appreciate any insights — especially the many benefits you might have felt from it.
Maybe manifestations as well?
What about the aura of Ge:M?

#1306

Yes

While i won’t go into details about Mogul. I can outline it into 3 parts:

First when i started using it. Everything is modest but still potent. It brought nice bonuses here and there.

Second, a few cycles after, when the “long term wealth & opportunity building” part of Mogul started to shine. It started to give me serious advantages instead of just nice bonuses. This is why I always say Mogul’s strength is in building long term sustainable wealth.

Third when i stacked it with DRR. Motherfucker went from long term only to literal free money generator (well, not free, everything is still connected to my endeavours, but the absurdity of the effectivity makes them feel like free money, lol). I leaked some of what happened in this journal but holy shit it is consistently doing beyond my expectations.

If i put it briefly, Mogul helps you get opportunities, build your foundation, gather long sustainable wealth, and makes everything faster/smoother. There are other scripting too.

Idk about this one. The aura from Mogul is about trust. The problem is I use LBFH & HeO for a long time too. Both deal significantly with trust. So Mogul’s auric effect got overshadowed by them to the point where I can’t tell.

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#1307

Here’s what’s included in my Primal Seduction + Genesis: Mogul custom:

  • Genesis: Mogul
  • Primal Seduction
  • APS: Hair
  • APS: Torso
  • Equilibrium
  • Synergy: Beyond Seduction
  • Synergy: Perfection Manifestation
  • Synergy: Voice is the Law
  • Synergy: Divine Dominion
  • Approachability Aura
  • Synergy: Primordial Aura
  • Fortune’s Favorite
  • Sultan
  • Financial Success Reality Shifter
  • Sacred Words
  • Submodel Alpha
  • Transcendental Connection
  • Power Talk
  • King’s Radiance
  • Synergy: Apollon Unbound

Right now, I’ve taken a short break from my short cycle (cycle was about 10–14 days) from my current stack: Dragon Reborn RED Stage 2 + Khan Stage 1 + Emperor.
I know it’s still early, but so far Khan ST1 has been showing promising results. Emperor, on the other hand, hasn’t really stood out yet.

I’m currently reevaluating my next move.
One option is to continue with DRR2 + Emperor a little longer to see if it kicks in.
The other option is to drop Emperor and continue with Khan ST1 + DRR2 as my main alpha and healing stack.

As for my custom (GM + PS), it’s definitely a heavy build. I’ve looped it before, but never beyond a full cycle. When I did, I mostly noticed the effects of Sultan, Primal Seduction, and a few modules. I didn’t really feel much from Genesis: Mogul itself.

If anyone has tips or insights, I’m open to hearing them.
I’ve noticed I tend to switch titles a lot, but interestingly, when I start a multistage program I usually stick to it and see it through.
I’ve been experimenting to figure out what resonates best with me long-term.

So far, here’s what’s worked well for me:

  • Primal and Primal Seduction – both gave excellent results, which is why I made my custom.
  • Stark and Limitless – also worked great, especially for focus and learning(Stark also as a great social title).
  • House of Medici and R.I.C.H – and out of all the wealth titles I’ve tried, HoM felt the most impactful by far(Used just for a few loops).
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#1308

I could just go with DRR and Khan lol this way I will not switch them out :rofl:

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#1309

Seems like a solid custom.

I thought you had another custom with Godlike Masculinity + PS, took me a while to realize it was Mogul, rofl. This is why I don’t shorten Mogul because GM in my head is a different sub.

I don’t feel anything from Mogul either, in fact, ever. It feels like nothing, but the longer you use it, the more you might be able to tell what Mogul feels like. It’s really subtle.
For me, it’s the zero cost free money sub because it doesn’t tax me in any way unlike LBFH or RM:UWX.

Just let Mogul play in the background. One day you’ll realize “oh my wealth has grown so much compared to a year ago before I used Mogul, cool.”

Me too.
My suggestion is to set a sub as the anchor of the stack.
One that you won’t change unless you have a very good reason to do so. Mine is HeO.
That way you can swap the other ones guilt free knowing that you have 1 that you stick to.

My priority list:
First sub - anchor
Second sub - normal
Third sub - Idc, if it gets changed twice every cycle, so be it, lol. But it also receives less exposure.

Sounds good.

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#1310

Now I get it!

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#1311

MY STACK :dizzy_face:

EE now has the anti recon on top of the more updated & streamlined productivity scripting than LE.
This is perfect to use alongside DRR2 next month.

But I already used LE, so I can’t just swap now.
I wished I waited 3 more days before I decided to swap subs. Well, it is what it is.
Spring is coming to a close, if it’s not delayed too much, LE should be around the corner too.

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#1312

Were you running Mogul alongside Hero?

Did they update this already?

#1313

Yes, HeO is always in my stack so I got to run it together with Mogul a lot.

They planned to. More rest scripting, more balancing, + the new anti recon scripting.

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#1316

I think you can consider using DRR3 at some point