What Is The Best Product For Chronic Procrastination?

[Billions]

@MadaraUchiha

The Executive ultima has been an absolute bust, i tested right before work after waking up and it literally makes me so tired that i start falling asleep even though i just woke up. i have tried it 2-4 times and never seen anything positive. i have so far tried it at 2 loops; i will test it 1 more time at 1 loop but if nothing then im done.

Just saw this.

I think I agree with Saint. ZP will be better.

I also completely thought executive was a bust for me. If I listened to it I would just instantly procrastinate all day LOL.

Limitless executive was pretty good though.

[Billions]

@MadaraUchiha

basically, i wake up every day knowing exactly which tasks i need to complete to get closer to my financial goal but for some reason i cannot make myself do these tasks.

Well…

@MadaraUchiha

procrastination = the inability to make myself do what i know i need to do

What if what you’ve told yourself you “NEED” to do is not actually what you “WANT” to do?

@MadaraUchiha

Products i have already tried that did NOT help with this problem include: mogul ZP, minds eye ZP, rich ultima and ZP, emperor QV2 and ZP, EOG stage 4 ZP and beyond limitless ultima.

You’ve tried all the productivity subs and they haven’t helped your productivity… maybe productivity is not your problem. I think that running QL, Limitless, Ascended Mogul (Which is inside emperor) and subs like that is just really doing the exact same thing only a slightly different way.

@MadaraUchiha

I will sit at my desk and instead of completing the tasks i need to do, i will daydream, watch YouTube videos, listen to podcasts, etc…

This could be a bit of escapism, not just productivity issues and ADHD. I have ADHD as well and I run my own business, which like you can understand is an EXTRA incentive to procrastinate because noone except me will know if I slack off, I have to set all my own tasks, and sometimes it’s really hard and boring and I want to do something else.

@MadaraUchiha

up next on my list of products to try to solve this problem include ascended mogul ZP, commander ZP, Stark ZP, khan stage 3 ZP, khan stage 4 ZP and limitless ZP.

The only one here that might be valuable for you is Stark.

But if Stark doesn’t work, I think you actually need to go right back to the very beginning of your own post and address THAT issue.

@MadaraUchiha

procrastination = the inability to make myself do what i know i need to do

basically, i wake up every day knowing exactly which tasks i need to complete to get closer to my financial goal but for some reason i cannot make myself do these tasks.

What if the reason you can’t force yourself to do these tasks is because these tasks are something you’re trying to force yourself to do, instead of actually wanting to do them. What if you’ve already made millions and just banging your head against the wall making a few more sounds nice in theory but isn’t giving you that deep sense of motivation that some people feel organically.

Would you say that you LOVE what you do right now? No, probably not right?

So I’d recommend one of two subs.

Either EOG Stage 2… Find your purpose, become extremely motivated, be on exactly the right path and FEEL like you’re doing exactly what you want to do.

Or Dragon Reborn 1-4 which is really good for ADHD according to some users… idk who exactly, I’d have to randomly search for specific names until I found them.

And any subs that you think would help you really LOVE life would be good, too. Because if you LOVE life then you love what you’re doing, and if you love what you’re doing, you don’t procrastinate.

So to focus on loving life, maybe Chosen or the Elixir would be a good add on.

Also, I’ll tag you in the productivity custom that I made because I’m really focused on improving my productivity and ADHD as well. My cores are Mogul and RICH but you can pick your own cores, or have NO cores, or just have one light core like Sanguine (reduce recon) or Rebirth (Assimilate the sub faster) and pack it with 20 full productivity modules

[Billions]

@Billions

Wealth

1. Mogul core.
2. Rich core
3. True sell
4. Instant business tactician

Energy/Motivation/Productivity

5. Carpe diem
6. Virtue - Temperance
7. Eye of the storm
8. Machine rest
9. Productivity unleashed
10. Joi de vivre
11. Unrelenting wealth energy

Confidence, Certainty

12. Natural winner
13. Overdrive
14. Furious Ascent - X Comfort
15. Vortexdive Crucible (maybe)
16. Alpha of alpha (maybe)

This is my custom for productivity I’ll make once ZP comes out. I would’ve also included Machine Action, Sanguine, Rebirth, Dominion, ARES, and Mountain Breaker… or other modules… if I really wanted to go the extra mile on pure productivity. But for everything I need to take action on my business every single day, this sub seems perfect for me rn.

The “Confidence and Certainty” section are also VERY helpful for procrastination.

[MadaraUchiha]

@Billions

What if the reason you can’t force yourself to do these tasks is because these tasks are something you’re trying to force yourself to do, instead of actually wanting to do them.

yes of course.

im aware that is part of the problem but it does not change that the problem still needs to be solved.

its the same argument Malkuth made here:

@Malkuth

[opinion follows]

(uhh…I went long again. If you want to get to the practical conclusion, it’s the last italicized bit way down there at the bottom.)

(First, The Principle)
One helpful way of framing Procrastination is as a motivation issue.

But not the motivation issue that people often say it is.

People often frame procrastination as a problem of ‘insufficient motivation’ or ‘insufficiently-focused motivation’. I guess we’re both familiar with that.

But what if the problem is that you have too much motivation? Or too many motivations?

In other words, let’s say you’re on a journey and your motivation is to travel eastwards. Yet, each day when you wake up, you find that you’re either 1) going in circles or 2) traveling northwards.

So, you conclude that you are procrastinating. And it’s a reasonable conclusion.

But what if what is actually going on is that in addition to being motivated to travel to the east; you are also motivated to travel to the west and also to the northwest?

Those other motivations are quite strong. But you have judged them to be unworthy and so you push them out of awareness. What happens to things that we push out of consciousness? Where do they go? You guessed it.

So, when, in the name of Discipline and Focus, we are consistently pushing our feelings, intentions, motivations, and emotions out of awareness; they continue to influence us and to guide our choices. The only difference is that they now do it from behind the scenes and seem very mysterious. (They’re not.)

One Solution:

Allow all of your motivations to be heard and to receive some attention. By hearing and recognizing them you invite them into the open and take ownership of them. This is true responsibility and discipline. (As opposed to ignoring, neglecting, and denying the parts of our minds and selves that do not match our preferred standards.)

When you listen respectfully to someone with whom you disagree, it is often still very possible to work fruitfully together. This is not only true for other people (interpersonally); it is also true for the various parts of ourselves (intra-personally). Sometimes bullying or forcefulness works. We can yell someone else or a part of ourselves into submission. Many times, however, it doesn’t work. In those cases, engagement and understanding can be the cure.

A Suggestion

Apply subliminals that help you to listen respectfully to the different parts of yourself. That help you to open up to the diverse range of your intrinsic, internal motivations. A person is not a simple unified being. We are assembled committees. For any goal that you have, there are parts of you who are not on board with it. And you know what? Those parts often have good reasons. But at the end of the day, it’s the part of you that is called “Executive Function” that gets to make the final choice. It is not all-powerful, but it has the burden and the privilege to weight all of the pros and cons and to choose a direction.

The better that it is at connecting to, listening to, and integrating all of the parts of you is the more effectively it will do its job.

Too Long Didn’t Read (this may seem quite odd):

You might try Alchemist. Or a similar program. Maybe Dragon Reborn.

These programs are about connecting with the various parts that comprise you, and they’re about integrating your being.

The more that your being is harmoniously integrated, the more that your intrinsic motivations and naturally-occurring impulses can be allies and not enemies.

(As that integration process develops more and more, you’ll find yourself getting increased benefits even from the programs that you were running ‘unsuccessfully’ in the past.)

That was really long. Sorry @MadaraUchiha, typing such a long post was not intentional. (It’s also because I’m on a deadline right now and it’s easier to just pour everything out in one go. Paradoxically, when I have more time, my posts tend to be shorter.)

and my response was:

@MadaraUchiha

thank you for posting such an in depth comment.

i think i understand what you are saying and it is true.

but the problem is that i do NOT have a choice.

what do i mean?

yes like you say i have other motivations.

for example, im actually a very simple person of what i enjoy doing to be happy, i like sex, i like sports,i like sci fi movies, nothing expensive

But at the end of the day i am an adult and i need to start having kids soon and i also have a lot charitable causes i strongly believe in…these things will require a lot of money.

so i have no choice but to work.

my understanding of your post is that im procrastinating because i have other things i want to do then chase money.

this is correct but it does NOT change the fact that i have to work and make money because i am an adult.

your post almost sounds like me working is optional.

im fully aware that im have other things i wish i could be doing but does not change the fact that im going to need a lot of money for the big family i have planned and the charitable causes i want to help.

working is NOT optional

and then he temporarily concluded with:

@Malkuth

That is actually extremely reasonable.

I want to respond now, but won’t have time for another few hours.

This only proves your point. Work is not optional.

Anyway, this will give me a chance to reflect on your points for a longer time, and hopefully respond in a coherent manner. And in the meantime, maybe someone else will have something useful to add.

and now im waiting for him to hopefully continue the discussion here later today,

[Billions]

@MadaraUchiha

im aware that is part of the problem but it does not change that the problem still needs to be solved.

Yes. So im saying you can solve the problem by increasing your emotional investment into the task. Want it more. Get excited about it. Procrastination is emotional, not coldly rational.

Digital detoxing and reducing subliminal exposure to account for recon-induced procrastination might help… I listen 2x a week and that has been a MASSIVE improvement.

But im more directly suggesting eog2 or dragon reborn to clear up whatever is holding you back from being absolutely on fire about whatever you’re doing for money.

[Billions]

@Malkuth

You might try Alchemist. Or a similar program. Maybe Dragon Reborn.

Wow thats really funny… my first instinct was also alchemist and DR. But i switched it for eog. More fitting.

Yeah… this is good and all.

At the same time… download cold turkey blocker on your desktop and download BlockSite for your phone and just block yourself from being able to watch youtube

[BLACKICE]

My productivity has been through the roof since I stopped posting on the forum all the time…

#justsayin…

[Billions]

Also, I’d seriously consider a one or no core zp custom.

Way of roi, machine action, khronos key, cognitive booster, ares, single point, orgnization perfected, the lines, the streams, solituden and other modules not in the custom i posted would all be useful!

If you wanted one core that kept it light and high-functioning, I’d add in sanguine

[Billions]

@BLACKICE

My productivity has been through the roof since I stopped posting on the forum all the time…

Word up… i blocked the forum. Im only allowed on here for 45 minutes max from 5-7pm. Any later than that and my computer instantly shuts it down

[KingArthur]

To be honest, there was no delay in my work when I used the emperor. In particular, i have completed all the existing tasks. (However, i may postpone creating new tasks.) In that case, you can’t stop studying and working if you use QL and take yourself to an environment where you can learn something new.)

[MadaraUchiha]

@KingArthur

you can’t stop studying and working if you use QL and take yourself to an environment where you can learn something new.)

can you give more details on what you mean by this?

[MadaraUchiha]

@Billions

EOG Stage 2

interesting.

why do you think stage 2 would be better then stage 3 for solving this problem?

i already tried stage 4 and it did NOT help but looking back that was a mistake and that was the wrong stage for this problem and my plan was to try stage 3 at some point if no other product works first.

so im curious why you think stage 2 is best for solving this problem.

[friday]

While I have not tried Ascension Mogul, and Khan St3, I have both tested Ascension and Khan St4 and they did not work.

Limitless, Quantum Limitless and Executive Ultima have only given me a short term boost when there was a major exam or something related, but they never ended my chronic procrastination.

The only option that I think might work well and is worth checking out would be CommanderZP. Why not buy it today and review it for us?

Also ExecutiveZP but that title is not out yet.

@MadaraUchiha

have you just given up on trying to solve this problem?

If those two programs won‘t work, I will give up on the idea that subliminals will help me resolve the issue. The problem might lay somewhere else, potentially more in the conscious sphere. Basically what @Skadoosh said

[MadaraUchiha]

thank you to everyone who made suggestions.

I have decided to give mogul ZP solo a try one more time.

I will be running that until my washout and if that does not make a significant difference then i will probably stop ZP products and go back to ultimas.

i have now been trying to solve this problem with ZP the entire time since ZP came out so might be time to try ultimas if no big difference with Mogul ZP this time.

[Billions]

Solo mogul zp was definitely my first recommendation but you said you already tried it.

Try it out 2-3x a week instead of once every second day. 2x a week massicvely improved my productivity with Mogul

[MadaraUchiha]

@Billions

Solo mogul zp was definitely my first recommendation but you said you already tried it.

yeah i looked back at my notes and saw that when i tested mogul solo there other factors like lack of proper sleep at the time that made it an invalid test.

[MadaraUchiha]

@friday

The problem might lay somewhere else, potentially more in the conscious sphere.

when you say conscious sphere are you talking about willpower?

[Avengers68]

I stopped procrastination with Commander ZP and Quantum Limitless St3 ZP. This combo is like to be on fire !

[friday]

@MadaraUchiha

when you say conscious sphere are you talking about willpower?

No, but the reason why you have to spend so much willpower in the first place.
And other factors that contribute to procrastination.

Have you tried CommanderZP yet? I have a good feeling about that module.

[Pyro]

@Skadoosh

You need to take responsibility for your life and become congruent in your Alpha.

If you were really congruent and serious about your life and goals, you wouldn’t be able to piss away precious hours of your day into non-sensical bullshit with no return.

If you’re doing things that aren’t adding anything to your life or contributing to your goals…
That is NOT NORMAL.

THIS is exactly why there needs to be a lot more awareness surrounding Neurodivergent minds and ADHD which I am pretty sure @MadaraUchiha has stated that he has.

1. Neurodivergent and ADHD minds do not and cannot operate the same way as neurotypical minds. We are VERY good at faking being neurotypical because we have to to live in this current world. It’s not an excuse it’s brain chemistry, it’s like telling someone who is paralyzed that they are two lazy to walk.

2. ADHD people are some of the hardest working people creative individuals that struggle really hard to focus. Our brain sometimes literally blocks and locks you from going after your goals because you are thinking and overanalyzing and already 20 steps down the road before you take step 2. Also what causes this, is the lack of dopamine in the brain causes an all or nothing approach which is hard to start a business on.

Now just because someone is neurodivergent, does not mean that they are disabled. We just have different abilities than neurotypicals. ADHD when harnessed correct can be a pretty big superpower, but it takes a different way of thinking than forcing a neurotypical mindset.

@MadaraUchiha quantitatively I bounced back from a business failure and came up with a rough business backed by trends that Google has and subreddit trends within 2 loops of Ecstasy of Gold Stage 1. I also run Emperor and House of Medici in my stack to help control my ADHD. I also got properly medicated to help as well.

Try to look at different productivity tools and systems that will help you become productive. Look up guides that can help someone that has your particular mind. I use four different to do lists (phone, paper, white board, computer) that help me stay productive. Also set a numeric quantitative goal of how much you want to do each night. I have a goal of at least 1 hour after work to work on my businesses. Sometimes I have to slog through that hour and be done for the night other times I hyperfocus and 5 hours go by.

Another tool I have learned from a podcast is focus on step A,B and Z. Do not worry about the in-between steps, just focus on the next step. It’s good to focus on step Z because you need a direction to aim to use it like a compass. It takes a little bit to get used to but it’s highly effective. It’s easy to procrastinate when your mind is 20 steps down the road but your progress is at step 1.

Finally do not underestimate the power of a GOOD therapist. I found one that specializes in ADHD and it changed my life. The subliminals began to give me results once I started getting outside help.

@Seeker since I bet you are going to ask clarification (which is awesome) it changed my life by coming to terms with my ADHD I no longer ignored it like a buzzing in my ear and actually found tools that helped me become more successful in my marriage, work, relationships and business. After getting medicated I lessened chasing that dopamine rush and was no longer held down by debilitating untreated ADHD anxiety and depression.

Sorry for the long post, it can all be explained in the image below