Viktor’s Victory Venture (LE + DRR)

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#91

that’s true, every sub I’ve been using from SC except for DRLD is mostly random. this is a good learning opportunity though, this strengthens my conviction to not have to touch subs that I don’t care about such as alpha or esoteric ones.

I’ll let WB plays for a few cycles, after that I’ll narrow my focus down to subs that fit what I want to be/improve the most like the chosen, limitless, and DR line of products. no need to experiment with khan, emperor, or commander like what i had in my long term plan before.

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#92

Take into account the whole model and not only the part that suits you. lol

Choose and WORK (taking action) with subs that would help you make the most of your real desires, needs, natural abilities, and circumstances, helping you get to the “next level”, instead of running subs that are scarcely relevant to the aforementioned qualities, getting recon, and random results.

Naturally, it’s your path, I only said what I’ve learnt for three years at SC. The subs that worked for me best were those that followed that model. Regeneration, DR, LD, Mogul, Stark. CFW, and now Ascension. I’m not saying i didn’t get any results running other titles yet most of those results were really distant to the objectives like when I was running Khan, Alchemist or HoM when I would get only some results related to the inner work. The same when it comes to KB I’m running now. I’m not saying I’m not getting any results but they’re far from the objectives. I need to reconsider running this sub since there are subs that would help me make even more of my real desires, needs, natural abilities and current circumstances, like PCC or Ultimate Writer.

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#93

Ah, i see your point.

I’ve been working & taking actions towards the subs’ and my own goals. So i kinda glanced over that point lol

Yeah, I’m still getting results with WB now even with the contradictory goals, just because it’s different from the objective doesn’t mean there’s no results from using them.

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#94

I completely forgot about PCC.

I have been actively re-reading the book for years.
I also checked the sales page again and it directly says that it can be stacked with chosen.

This sub looks like it will fit me really well.
PCC is going into the list of subs that i’m going to use after DR.

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#95

I am becoming more convinced that “clarity and certainty” is the key to resolving recons.
the other tricks like getting more sunlight and working out can help soothe the recon, but clarity and certainty come first.

journaling helps you get more clarity
taking action helps you feel more certain

I need to experiment more on this. I’m glad that I got WB so that I can explore more about recon.

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#96

Rest day 3 (WB)

Rest day 2 has 18 edits, rofl.

It showed how i went from being in recon to having it almost completely gone by seeking clarity & certainty.

The journaling did help a lot with recon, so i’ll keep up the frequency.

An insane thought came this morning, “why do i care so much about these people? I need to focus on myself”. It felt so natural to think about.
I didn’t expect to have these kind of thoughts ever again after 5 cycles of LBFH. I have mixed feelings about this. I’ll try to find clarity & certainty about it.

I feel like i’m accepting WB more and more. “Yes i do want to be mysterious and stuff, why not?”. I’ll try to accept it more as i see fit

Update 1:

I feel a less emotional attachment to people. it wasn’t the bad kind of emotional attachment, it was positive. appreciating the people around and wanting to support & thrive together. I’m feeling less of that.

before LBFH, I always thought that emotional attachment is going to make me weaker. then I realized that it’s the opposite, it strengthens my conviction & motivation to achieve more instead.

now with WB, I’m getting “it’s time to retake my emotional independence” kind of thoughts.
i can’t put a “positive” or “negative” label on it, nor do I want to. I’ll try to make the best out of my mindset regardless.

maybe WB is the balancing force that I need with LBFH. maybe it’s not needed at all, but it gives an alternate road to the same destination that I’m driving towards. maybe it will change the destination and lead me to paris instead of rome. we’ll see.

Update 2:

Productivity is fully back. it’s still the same no-limit productivity that DRLD helped me get.

WB makes me pay more attention to my body. maybe this is what I need to balance the productivity from DRLD.

Update 3:

I’m 100% sure that the workout motivation comes from WB. as from how mentally effortless it is, it must be from both WB and DRLD.

I’m also growing to be more unattached to the people around me, it now feels really natural.

Unattached but still caring, i might be into something here.

Confidence is also huge.

Update 4:

I’ve been REALLY thirsty the whole day.
WB is really making me drink a lot of water.

Update 5:

I feel like life is doing its best to make me not emotionally attached to other people using different tactics and strategies. from inside and outside of me.

the detachment hurts, it genuinely hurts. the people are still here, they are not going anywhere, I’m still talking with them. but I feel like they are * one by one from my reality. I’ll try to get more clarity & certainty on the situation, my mind is clearly confused. It’s not as bad as a few days ago though, far from it.

being able to write my thoughts and feeling in this forum is helping me a lot

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#97

PCC is a good sub. I never used the newest version but the older version helped me a lot socially by ‘slowing down’ the interactions. I could observe people more effectively, and was able to notice their insecurities (they try to hide) through body language and voice tone cues. I think it helped me this way by taking my focus from inward to outward observation. It’s an underrated sub, I’ll be using it again in future stacks for sure.

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#98

that’s cool, the book does focus a lot on noticing & playing the social game. being able to understand people more deeply will surely help

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#100

Plan for cycle 6

1: WB 15m DRLD ?m
I need to test how effective seeking for clarity & certainty is. Getting more recon from WB later will help
2: Rest
3: WB 5m DRLD ?m
4: Rest

5: Mogul 15m AC 7m
I want to experiment with the 12-day stack rotation limitation
6: Rest
7: WB DRLD
8: Rest
9: WB DRLD
10: Rest
11: WB DRLD
12: Rest

13: WB 5m DRLD 5m AC 7m
14: Rest
15: WB DRLD
16: Rest
17: WB DRLD
18: Rest
19: WB ?m LBFH 15m
This is the 14th day after mogul, i also want to see how WB will integrate with LBFH later.
20: Rest

21: WB 15m LBFH 15m AC 7m
May as well blast the last day before the washout period with potential recon lol
22 - 26: Rest

This cycle is gonna be fun.

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#101

Rest day 4

There are no dreams, unlike the last 2 washout periods.

A part of my confidence is rising, but a part of it is still lower than before I used WB.

there’s something strange, I feel like my mind is being overloaded every time I think about my physical goals.

Update 1:

Productivity is high as usual, but motivation is not.

Recon from WB is down to only around 5% of the train wreck that was 3 days ago.

Workout is amazing, it’s really effortless. More than before i used WB.

Update 2:

I did another introspection.

I’m doing less mental wrestling compared to before i used SC. The effect is gradual so i didn’t notice it until now.

The tranquility script in LBFH is working well.

Update 3:

Productivity is gone, it’s just not there. I’m dragging myself by force.

Recon is gone. no recon, I just can’t feel the effects of other subs, no productivity boost, no overflowing self-love, etc. Of course, they are not completely gone, but you know what I mean. maybe processing WB’s script is taking priority in my head now.

Update 4:

I can’t feel the no PMO effect from DRLD anymore. I’m holding it through sheer willpower alone right now.

Update 5:

Productivity is fluctuating

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#102

I originally wanted to write this in the WB product discussion thread, but I decided that it’s not appropriate to write this reply there:

Found this while searching “productivity” in this thread

I was having a similar recon.
I felt like people were ignoring me while in reality, they were not.
the feeling was really intense a few days ago though it has been subsiding now. i wrote more about the intensity in my journal. but it was strong enough that I felt like they were not just ignoring me, they were “missing” (gotta rephrase this word) from my reality.

The feeling of insecurity from it was also really strong.

I’m also having lack of productivity because the shift in my mindset affected one of the foundations of my motivation to be productive. that was worse a few days about because it was on top of the other recons.

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#103

Rest day 5

Productivity is back. the feeling of no limit when doing it is back. motivation is back.

i can’t wait to see what will happen tomorrow after I listen to WB & DRLD again.

I thought about this last night, I wanted to use chosen, but it doesn’t have the social, cognitive, and wealth scripting like stark. That or I couldn’t find those on the sales page’s description. i want to support the people around me, but LBFH is doing that job just fine. CFW is still interesting though.

after a few cycles of WB, I’ll change it to stark or RM.

Update 1:

I feel normal today. I’m glad i started WB before a washout, i can take the time to process the effects before bombarding my mind in the next cycle

Update 2:

I’m thinking about whether i should add LBFH into my stack next cycle or not. There’s still room, but running 3 subs feels too much for me.

Productivity is high. DRLD is doing its magic.

Update 3:

Productivity is… i feel like it’s high, but when measured objectively it’s not as high as before I used WB. more like it’s a bit higher than before I started SC, but not mogul + DRLD kind of high.

this is really interesting, I’m having a lot of fun exploring subs.

socially:
-i feel less desire to stick around. if it’s not interesting, I go.
-i feel less connection to people as I’ve written for the past few days.
-i feel the urge to text my old girl friends. i feel the resistance is being wiped out. this is really random.

workout still feels really effortless.
I still feel really thirsty, I drink a lot more. nothing has changed except for starting WB. it’s purely from it.
this is new, i feel more hungry too now. I eat a lot in general, i keep it reasonably healthy too. but even with that, i still feel more hungry than usual.
my body is really needing a lot more fuel to process WB.

I think i need to clarify again before moving to the next cycle that i listened to 3 subs on day 19 (drld + lbfh in the morning, wb for 30s in the night) because i couldn’t wait to use wb lol

Then i accidentally played wb for 15m on day 21 plus DRLD for a few minutes.

I listened to the MAX MAX of zpv2 in the artisan line outside of the recommended way. So all the recon above is partly worsen by this too.

Expect the recon to not be as severe if you are following the guidelines properly.

I do gain a lot out of it, especially about understanding recon & myself. Lessons learned, don’t stack 3 in a day unless you know what you are doing, and start small. Now i have the first hand experience of why.

Most importantly, i learned about the potential value of clarity & certainty in dealing with recon. I want to experiment more on these.

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#106

Cycle 6 Day 2 rest

Productivity high.
i want to go back to work, I’ll update this journal later

Update 1:

“I don’t need to talk with them” is the reoccurring thought that has been happening lately.
I want to, but I don’t need to. which sounds cool and all but the feelings clash with each other a bit.
I need to internalize WB more into my being.

I’m more thirsty. i drink a lot more than usual.

Update 2:

Productivity is really high.

I feel less need to respond if I don’t need to.

i can feel LBFH’s effect again, maybe it’s blooming, or WB’s self love script is helping.

no recon, even with 3 subs stacked, no diminishing effects either. let’s see if treating mogul with 30s microloops only like ascension chamber is realistic or not.

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#109

WB is not as harsh on me anymore. i can push it more but I’m also in the middle of the mogul experiment. i don’t want to introduce a third factor into it.

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#110

Cycle 6 Day 4

I did another introspection:

I think the confidence that I put into subs is also indirectly helping my confidence.

“I don’t need to worry, the sub will guide me to do the best course of action”

Of course the subs themselves help with their effects, but the assurance that the sub will help guide you to take the best course of action itself is really good for my level of confidence.

Update 1:

the sub has a script specifically to manifest cologne? i thought the script was only to manifest better physical look, attire and the extras to complement them. not cologne specifically.

this is really exciting, I want to see what it will bring me and from where.

I’ve never really paid attention to perfumes and the like. the most I do is maintain a good level of hygiene and dress well.
I’m not against it, but I don’t actively seek it either. let’s see where the sub guides me.

Update 2:

Seeing people having their energy level increase with khan black makes me want to try it too. i don’t lack energy, I just want to see how a sub can affect my energy level. but I need to focus on my stack. i probably won’t use it for at least 2 years.

Productivity is good today, not as much as yesterday.
Social is like usual, except for the changes in how I talk, everything is the same.
Confidence is good, I’m more certain in whatever I do, especially in a social setting.

I don’t feel the effect of any sub is being suppressed anymore. WB doesn’t overpower LBFH or DRLD anymore, they all blend together well.

i might do 15 minutes of both WB and DRLD tomorrow to see whether it’s because I only used 5.5m per sub yesterday, or because they have all integrated well within me.

Update 3:

What i want might not be what i truly want. Do i want to talk with people or is it my body craving for relations like it’s craving for pizza?

I talk with a lot of people. not only talk, but i’m really close with a lot of them. I felt fulfilled with this before i started WB, but now i feel that it’s not what i truly want. Unlike a week ago, my mind doesn’t reject the idea, it feels really natural.

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#112

Cycle 6 day 6

Not mixing LBFH with WB from the beginning was a good choice. I need more clarity to what WB is doing and that’s what i’m receiving. Stacking it with DRLD is also a good choice. Breaking limits is good, but having the calculated risk scripting from DRLD really helps with confidence.

This is the best decision I’ve had in a while.

Update 1:

I feel less neediness towards other people on a deeper level. It’s like this is me all along. I don’t really feel that i’m becoming something, i feel that it’s me.

WB is a great balancer to LBFH.

I was afraid of being too attached to other people before LBFH, then it showed me that attachment can be healthy too. WB regulates the balance even more.

Update 2:

I think i made the right choice choosing WB.

It’s still not the archetype of a person that i work on to be. But it gives me deeper understandings of who i am, what i want to be, among other great effects of the sub.

Update 3:

RECON!

i’m aware of it just now. it’s not much so it was hard to notice.

i feel hopeless. like what I do doesn’t matter. everything feels like a cliff that’s impossible to climb.

the feeling is similar to the recon two weeks ago, but it’s not only about my social life.
the intensity is not as high, it’s only around 5%. only a bit, but I can feel it.

i don’t mind the recon, but I want to take it easy this cycle. I’ll go back to 5 minutes from tomorrow.

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#115

Cycle 6 day 8

Rest

Social life great
Productivity bad

a lot more sexual advances to me.
running WB DRLD for 30m total was not smart with the mogul experiment. I feel the same decrease in productivity as when I’m overloaded.

no recon. my mental state is better than ever in my life.

Update 1:

I did an introspection and found another hidden recon

My mind is trying to invalidate my results. My logical mind knows that the effects are there, but a part of me is trying to underplay it.

If i were a skeptic, i would say that the sub is not doing a lot. That’s what the recon is making me think, when in reality it’s different.

Update 2:

Greater appreciation to my looks.

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#116

Cycle 6 day 9

DRLD 6m42s WB 5m

I forgot to stop playing DRLD at 5 minutes
I hope there won’t be much recon today, I will be really busy.

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#117

Cycle 6 day 10

Rest

no recon yesterday, productivity normal.

My favorite effects from WB are the decrease in neediness and the increase in emotional control. i like them even more than girls, sex, and other effects from WB. i wish there was a stand alone healing sub with those effects only.

Vipassana greatly boosts my emotional control even further. more than I expected.

I asked the sub to guide me into having greater control of my emotions and a few days later ouroboros posted about vipassana. the manifestation scripting works, rofl.

Update 1:

Productivity high. this really feels like DRLD’s effect.
my head I clearer now, I can see with a level head the difference between what WB’s recon 2 weeks ago brought up and how I feel now compared to then.
less neediness, more emotional control, more girls, more sex drive, more workout motivation.
different feelings of productivity and in socialization.

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#118

Amazing! Glad to hear it :slight_smile:

Had you tried it before I brought it up?

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