Viktor’s Victory Venture (LE + DRR)

[Viktor]

@SaintSovereign

I might release the early tech as a replacement for Ascension Chamber, which is outdated and needs to be sunset anyway. Then it’ll be eventually finished and added as the next round of upgrades during Zero Point Union, which won’t take nearly as long, as ZPU is being designed for easy upgrades in mind.

It will be an anti-recon too.
Damn, that got me thinking about what I can experiment with.

WB gave me the lethargy recon. Something that’s just straight up a dealbreaker for me nowadays.
When the supercharger comes, I’ll run WB for half a month then use the supercharger for the second half. The prior for get a better sense of how bad the recon is, and the latter is to see how much the supercharger can alleviate.

I wanted to do this in 2 months period, but I’m afraid the first month is just gonna wipe out the recon in the first place. Unlikely, but there’s a chance.
I also don’t want to run WB for too long, it’s too far from my current goals. Refusing the manifestations to keep my focus would be a pain.

Next month would be ideal since it’s the only time I’ll take a break from HeO without a third sub in mind.
Or maybe in October. I’ll use WB & DRR1 as the main, with Mogul as the 4 times a month as the 3rd sub.
December is a designated whole month washout, but I can run WB there as well since it doesn’t have as much overlap with the scripting from other subs I use.

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Or I’ll just use it for DRR3 or DRR4 2 months from now. I doubt I’ll get that much recon from them according to the patterns I’ve been observing. Even the one from DRR2 that I can’t run more than 4x a month is nothing compared to the shitshow that was WB’s recon. But if I get lucky (unlucky) and get the motherload of recon from stage 3/4, then I can use the supercharger there.

[Viktor]

Holy shit my creativity is on a streak.
It’s just so effortless. Sometimes i feel like i’m manifesting it.

Is this HeO? Did the script just show up after a whole year of use?

I can’t think of anything else. It has been 1.5 months since the last time i used the RM:UWX for half a month. Any bloom should have stopped by now.

Or has it always been like this and I just missed that HeO was boosting my creativity because i didn’t take any break from it for 12 cycles?
Maybe i just realized it after the 4 month break from the sub highlighted how my creativity goes down without HeO?

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Seriously, how many effects became very natural to me that i didn’t even know those were from HeO to begin with?

I’m discovering “new effects” that are actually just the effects from HeO resurfacing.

I can’t say anything too concrete yet. I still need more data. But damn does this theory make too much sense.

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On a side note, damn didn’t i just use Mogul twice for 11 days apart last month?
I didn’t expect the effects to stay this long.
This sub is just that good lol.
Using Mogul is literally free money.

[Jouissance]

They say that masters are able to break the rules, but first, they have to learn the rules.

Picasso started out as a traditional painter.

Jazz musicians that improvise like crazy start out learning scales & playing classical, often times. Or at least, reading sheet music.

Maybe you’ve finally cracked the code on mastery and can now bend reality to create as you see fit in your chosen domain.

[Viktor]

@Jouissance

Maybe you’ve finally cracked the code on mastery and can now bend reality to create as you see fit in your chosen domain.

Lately i’ve been feeling like i finally cracked a layer of excellence on top of me… that I had cracked on my first run of HeO back then before the 4 month break, rofl.

[Viktor]

DRR1 15m HeO 15m

DRR1 be holistic booster
HeO be virtue based mastery

This stack somehow is all I need.
Sometimes I felt HeO lacked a tiny bit of that “oomph”. DRR1 is the answer.
The stack tackles everything I want without blurring my focus. It’s perfect.
I bought DR 2 years ago. If only I had just fucking used it back then, lol.

Looking at the results now, it is clear as day that I got too accustomed to these in my first run of HeO that I thought the sub got nothing to do with it and it was just me. That’s why I’ll take 1-3 month break every 4 months so I can maintain clarity. It will also put the sub in a pure action mode in that period.

As much as I like it smooth, I want clarity to take better proactive action too.

@Viktor

If my hypothesis is right, 4-6 should be the optimal amount of months before the break, at least for me.
This is gonna take so long to verify, but someone gotta try it first.

The first experiment is 3 months before a 1 month break.
I want to see if 1 month is enough to mitigate the loss of clarity.
It was after around 6-8 cycles back then (~6 months) when I started to completely think HeO’s effects are mostly indirect.

1 month should be enough according to my observation. but I gotta prove the theory first.
2 is what I’m most confident in after looking back at how much the results deteriorated back then.
3 is a bit excessive but not as much as 4.

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On another note, I feel like I’m running a creativity sub.
It feels like my creativity is returning back and more.
Shouldn’t I get this from when I ran LE? Is it a delayed bloom? It has been 2 months since I last ran it yet I feel more creative than when I was actually running the sub.

Or, my theory on this,
LE is enhancing my creativity but I felt it was too broad to be useful. Then when I used HeO again, the mastery scripting incorporated the enhancement from LE and made it more practical. Because I do feel my ability from when I was using HeO returning, but there’s also a slight bump in this area.
I need to run this longer and wait until I’m fully sure that the bloom from LE is completely over before I can draw a better conclusion on this.

Or maybe it’s just DRR1 boosting HeO. This one is pretty convincing after looking at the effects from other subs when I stack them with DRR1. Mogul went from “it’s a long term sub for wealth that works slowly over time” to “holy shit it’s free money” after I started DRR. I did see a spike in productivity too when I first ran DRR1 even when there’s not much productivity scripting in it (confirmed by saint).

Too many variables, I need to wait until june/july to confirm any of these.

[Viktor]

This is the fourth month in a row i’m using DRR1.
What if I take the early break. Finish DRR2,3,4 in 3 months. Then go back to DRR1 after.

Tempting.
I’ll use DRR2 4-6 times only in may.
The stack will switch its focus to Mogul.
2 highly effective productivity subs, HeO & Mogul, against the recon from DRR2.

Or i can take the safe path and use DRR3&4 for 1.5 months each.

I genuinely don’t want to deal with recon.
So maybe DRR2 for only half a month as a refresher, then DRR3 for a month, then DRR4 for 1.5 months.

Seems about right.

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I’ll be able to use the new HERO title in Q3/Q4 this year.
If it comes sooner, I’ll wait it out. A new sub while I’m advancing the DRR stages is a recipe for disaster.

(titles in white are 4 times a month only)

I wanted to start DRG1 right after DRR4, it has been verified that DRG1 has all the scripting from DRR1.
But starting 2 new multistagers at the same time, even if I’m mostly familiar with them, is not a good idea. So it will have to wait until march next year.

EoG1 for the “feel good” slot in the stack, 4 times a month, with no break whatsoever. It seems about right. It’s not gonna take too much focus from my stack and I don’t really care if I lose clarity from a wealth sub. If it turns out that EoG1 is not that smooth (I’m doubtful since Mogul is like butter for me), then I’ll just go back to Mogul.

[Viktor]

Lately I’ve been more free with expressing my sexuality.
At first I thought it was just the season, lol.

But the deeper I look into this, the more I think it might be DRR1 cleansing the blockage related to expressing this part of me.

I thought DRR1 was done with the changes and I’m just riding the wave of its holistic boost.
Well, looking at it again, it has been around 5 months of DRR1 in total.
Most subs I’ve used take a “second wind” after around this long. A new burst of effects.

LBFH (~4 cycles) with teaching me the value of being more honest & vulnerable towards myself. It’s well documented at the start of this journal.
HeO (~6 cycles) with the patience scripting and more. Half of this journal is about this sub.
Mogul is Mogul ig (~4-5 cycles), it’s around this time when Mogul started to pick up the pace from “nice bonuses here and there” to “boosting wealth & opportunities in a meaningful way”. That’s one of the reasons why I said Mogul is about building long term & sustainable wealth.
etc.

I haven’t seen this being talked about a lot in this forum. Is this pattern just me?

[RVconsultant]

@Viktor

Is this pattern just me?

What’s the pattern you are thinking of?

[Jouissance]

Your consistency with subs is commendable.

It’s not just you that this happens for. But you’re one of the best at optimizing for it.

@RVconsultant if I understand him correctly he’s referring to the switch from “shallow” results to “deep” results, essentially. From “boosts of wealth or bonuses here and there” to “total abundance of opportunity presenting itself consistently”

And the equivalents from shallow to deep for LBFH/HeO.

This happened with all the long term subs I ran. EOGST1 to the point where I had no concerns or fears around money. Ascended Mogul and then HOM to totally become high status, confident, presentable, good at sales.

I was listening to AM/Mogul/HOM collectively for 3+ years at this point. EOGST1 for 9 months in ZP and I just made an EOG1/HOM custom that had no “end date” in sight.

These subs certainly have short term benefits but that pales in comparison to the long term of sticking with it consistently.

[Viktor]

@RVconsultant

What’s the pattern you are thinking of?

A second burst of results after 4-6 cycles.

It’s as Jouissance said. From shallower to deeper.
But the scope of what gets deeper can be random at times.
Sometimes the whole sub gets deeper, sometimes only specific parts of it.

If a result was so shallow that it was unnoticeable at first, it can get deeper after the burst to the point where i start to think “this is new, is it from the sub?”

Like the patience scripting from HeO, less constriction from WB etc.

@Jouissance

I was listening to AM/Mogul/HOM collectively for 3+ years at this point. EOGST1 for 9 months in ZP

God damn that’s a lot

@Jouissance

I just made an EOG1/HOM custom that had no “end date” in sight.

I plan to use HeO with no end date too.
But I want to find a point where i could put down the sub and maintain a vast chunk of its effects.

The number seems to be different depending on the subs & my goals with them.
12 cycles wasn’t enough to my satisfaction for HeO.
But around that much is enough for LBFH.
What lingered & what LBFH has changed are enough for what i want.
But i have more & deeper goals with HeO.

I plan to use EoG too next year. 4x a month.
Mogul alone is more than enough for everything, but i want to see what EoG can give me.

[Jouissance]

@Viktor

But I want to find a point where i could put down the sub and maintain a vast chunk of its effects.

idk - for me - people exercise and could stop at any point in time and still keep a vast chunk of the impact, but ultimately, they don’t, because growth is exhilirating, and it feels good, and is good.

[Viktor]

Connecting it with exercise is a good idea.

Gains are great, but people after 5-10 years of a proper bodybuilding regime might say “this is enough, i want to focus on other things”. After that period of time, they’ll almost hit their natty limit anyway.

The best part is, it’s scientifically proven that you’ll only need just a tiny fraction of your workout to maintain the gains.

So maybe the answer for maintaining the results is simply to run the sub at least twice every cycle.

This is a compelling theory. But i’m seeing it from muscle hypertrophy point of view, not strength or skill. A sub is closer to the latter, I’ll need to read more on the studies about this.

My run of DRR2 & Mogul has proven this theory’s viability. But i still need more data to say “yeah, this is the way”.

Maybe a good lifehack is to just dump every sub you want to maintain into a “maintenance custom” and run it 2 times a cycle as the third sub. That way the focus is still on the main stack, but the results from the ones we’ve used for years won’t decay.

Very tempting.

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I’m gonna microloop LBFH next month in place of AC.

My experiment 2 years ago with mogul showed that its not enough to gain, but it should be enough to maintain.

LBFH is the only sub i’ve run for around a year that I don’t currently have in my stack.
This will give me more data to prove the maintenance theory.

[Viktor]

I’m starting to think 13 on 4 off is not a good idea.
11 on 4 off is the max.

It’s not clear yet, but I’ll start the mid month washout early just to cleanse the palate.

I’m not entirely convinced that 13 on 4 off is the problem though.
I need more data. So I’ll use it again for the latter half of this month.
If I feel the same thing, then it might be.

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DRR2 might fuck my productivity next month.
And I forgot I don’t have access to HeO because of the cyclical break.
Mogul alone won’t be able to weather that potential shitstorm by itself.

I guess I’ll have to delay my plan to experiment with LBFH and use LE instead.
Using EE should be better & more straightforward, but that’s a new sub, it’s too risky.
I can afford some recon from DRR2, but god forbid recon from 2 subs at the same time.
So I’ll pick the safe path. LE + DRR2 with Mogul as a supplementary sub.

[Lion]

@Viktor

Maybe a good lifehack is to just dump every sub you want to maintain into a “maintenance custom” and run it 2 times a cycle as the third sub. That way the focus is still on the main stack, but the results from the ones we’ve used for years won’t decay.

Very tempting.

Great! Now it’s tempting me too lol.

Love the idea.

[Azriel]

@Viktor

Great journal, I’m not remotely caught up so forgive anything you may have mentioned already

1. Have you experience strength physical changes with Hero- I’ve run Hercules in a custom (which I believe that or some version is in Hero) and the strength gains are insane
2. Have you ever stacked Hero with Khan or a seduction sub and if so -how was the synergy

[Viktor]

@Azriel

Great journal, I’m not remotely caught up so forgive anything you may have mentioned already

Thankyou! Don’t worry, sometimes I just write random shits, plans that didn’t survive, or I repeat some points over and over again, lol.

I’ve been in the process of cleaning my journal though, it’s gonna take time since we can only delete 10 messages a day.

@Azriel

Have you experience strength physical changes with Hero- I’ve run Hercules in a custom (which I believe that or some version is in Hero) and the strength gains are insane

It feels more like a guide than a direct boost. It’s directing me towards having better strength instead of just a flat out boost. Well, at least that’s how it manifested in me. I’ve been training my strength & bodybuilding for years so the result might not be as pronounced as for someone who’s still new/intermediate.

I did feel a burst of extra effort here and there, but it’s so sparse that I can’t confirm it’s from HeO.

@Azriel

Have you ever stacked Hero with Khan or a seduction sub and if so -how was the synergy

Yep, with WB back then. The synergy itself is great. They really helped me with my meditation goals. But as saint said, those two are as far apart as you can get. It doesn’t mean you’ll get recon from using both, but your focus will be so scattered that you’ll end up having to prioritize one over another.

Declining WB’s manifestations suck, but I decided to focus on HeO.

[Viktor]

@Lion

Great! Now it’s tempting me too lol.

Love the idea.

I found that 3 times a month is enough to progress with DRR2 & to maintain Mogul.
2 times a month should be barely enough for progress, but more than sufficient for maintenance. I’m currently gathering more data on this.
Once a cycle is useless. My friend confirmed it to me after they tried it for months.

Since my cycle is ~30 days (11 on 4 off twice a month), 2 times a normal 26 day cycle should be a bit more potent than what I’m working with.

If I can get more data and prove the viability of this theory, it could completely change how I plan my schedule going forward. My main concern now is having the focus too scattered even with only 2 loops every cycle.

Other pattern that I’m thinking of experimenting with is:
Cycle 1: 2 times, at the start & at the end.
Cycle 2: 1 time in the middle.
1 is too little, 2 might scatter the focus. so this is the middle ground.

[Viktor]

@Viktor

Lately I’ve been more free with expressing my sexuality.
At first I thought it was just the season, lol.

But the deeper I look into this, the more I think it might be DRR1 cleansing the blockage related to expressing this part of me.

Yep, lately been looking in the mirror, sexy mf over there.
Looked in the mirror at the grocery store, sexy mf over there.
It’s almost as strong as when I was using WB.

It really feels like something inside that blocked my sexuality has been cleansed.

[Viktor]

Transitioning to LE now so I won’t get overloaded when I switch DRR1 to DRR2.

@Viktor

DRR2 might fuck my productivity next month.
And I forgot I don’t have access to HeO because of the cyclical break.
Mogul alone won’t be able to weather that potential shitstorm by itself.

I’ll also ditch Mogul completely in favor of LE.

Stack switching in the middle of DRR2,3,4 seems like a recipe for disaster.
And by the time I’m done with DRR4, the new HERO title will be close to being available.
There’s no room to go back to Mogul, at least until next year. So I’ll be stuck with LE.

Goodbye free money

[Viktor]

Holy shit LE is kicking in.

Well, I might as well ride the wave while I’m at it
I’m gonna attempt my “workaholic” schedule again with only 1 hour of free time a day.
Let’s see whether I can keep this up or not, lol. LE is being put to the ultimate test.

I also want to prepare before the shitstorm that’s “half a month of DRR2”.
I want to get as many things prepared as possible before I potentially lose my productivity.

It might be improbable, but I hope the update for LE drops before next month, rofl.