Before or after my stack?
Rest days or not?
I remember running the MF for 3-7 minutes it was harder than DRR1 
It’s a really difficult title.
Feeling it was too much I used it just few times in my life. Without understanding if it works.
What are your results with it?
Never ran it much. I always ran the full 7 minutes and never felt anything so I assume, looking back on it, I was stonewalling.
I’m also inspired to start with 15s once a week and see how it goes.
Generally after stack, on a listening day. Right @Viktor ?
Yeah, i use it after my stack.
Always on a listening day, except when i forgot to listen to it the day before, then i’d use it on a rest day.
Rarely ever less than 8 days. I tried full loop once every 6 days at the beginning, got huge recon, bumped it to 8, never bothered to tinker around with it again ever since.
They say that masters are able to break the rules, but first, they have to learn the rules.
Picasso started out as a traditional painter.
Jazz musicians that improvise like crazy start out learning scales & playing classical, often times. Or at least, reading sheet music.
Maybe you’ve finally cracked the code on mastery and can now bend reality to create as you see fit in your chosen domain.
Lately i’ve been feeling like i finally cracked a layer of excellence on top of me… that I had cracked on my first run of HeO back then before the 4 month break, rofl.
Lately I’ve been more free with expressing my sexuality.
At first I thought it was just the season, lol.
But the deeper I look into this, the more I think it might be DRR1 cleansing the blockage related to expressing this part of me.
I thought DRR1 was done with the changes and I’m just riding the wave of its holistic boost.
Well, looking at it again, it has been around 5 months of DRR1 in total.
Most subs I’ve used take a “second wind” after around this long. A new burst of effects.
LBFH (~4 cycles) with teaching me the value of being more honest & vulnerable towards myself. It’s well documented at the start of this journal.
HeO (~6 cycles) with the patience scripting and more. Half of this journal is about this sub.
Mogul is Mogul ig (~4-5 cycles), it’s around this time when Mogul started to pick up the pace from “nice bonuses here and there” to “boosting wealth & opportunities in a meaningful way”. That’s one of the reasons why I said Mogul is about building long term & sustainable wealth.
etc.
I haven’t seen this being talked about a lot in this forum. Is this pattern just me?
What’s the pattern you are thinking of?
Your consistency with subs is commendable.
It’s not just you that this happens for. But you’re one of the best at optimizing for it.
@RVconsultant if I understand him correctly he’s referring to the switch from “shallow” results to “deep” results, essentially. From “boosts of wealth or bonuses here and there” to “total abundance of opportunity presenting itself consistently”
And the equivalents from shallow to deep for LBFH/HeO.
This happened with all the long term subs I ran. EOGST1 to the point where I had no concerns or fears around money. Ascended Mogul and then HOM to totally become high status, confident, presentable, good at sales.
I was listening to AM/Mogul/HOM collectively for 3+ years at this point. EOGST1 for 9 months in ZP and I just made an EOG1/HOM custom that had no “end date” in sight.
These subs certainly have short term benefits but that pales in comparison to the long term of sticking with it consistently.
A second burst of results after 4-6 cycles.
It’s as Jouissance said. From shallower to deeper.
But the scope of what gets deeper can be random at times.
Sometimes the whole sub gets deeper, sometimes only specific parts of it.
If a result was so shallow that it was unnoticeable at first, it can get deeper after the burst to the point where i start to think “this is new, is it from the sub?”
Like the patience scripting from HeO, less constriction from WB etc.
God damn that’s a lot
I plan to use HeO with no end date too.
But I want to find a point where i could put down the sub and maintain a vast chunk of its effects.
The number seems to be different depending on the subs & my goals with them.
12 cycles wasn’t enough to my satisfaction for HeO.
But around that much is enough for LBFH.
What lingered & what LBFH has changed are enough for what i want.
But i have more & deeper goals with HeO.
I plan to use EoG too next year. 4x a month.
Mogul alone is more than enough for everything, but i want to see what EoG can give me.
idk - for me - people exercise and could stop at any point in time and still keep a vast chunk of the impact, but ultimately, they don’t, because growth is exhilirating, and it feels good, and is good.
Connecting it with exercise is a good idea.
Gains are great, but people after 5-10 years of a proper bodybuilding regime might say “this is enough, i want to focus on other things”. After that period of time, they’ll almost hit their natty limit anyway.
The best part is, it’s scientifically proven that you’ll only need just a tiny fraction of your workout to maintain the gains.
So maybe the answer for maintaining the results is simply to run the sub at least twice every cycle.
This is a compelling theory. But i’m seeing it from muscle hypertrophy point of view, not strength or skill. A sub is closer to the latter, I’ll need to read more on the studies about this.
My run of DRR2 & Mogul has proven this theory’s viability. But i still need more data to say “yeah, this is the way”.
Maybe a good lifehack is to just dump every sub you want to maintain into a “maintenance custom” and run it 2 times a cycle as the third sub. That way the focus is still on the main stack, but the results from the ones we’ve used for years won’t decay.
Very tempting.
I’m gonna microloop LBFH next month in place of AC.
My experiment 2 years ago with mogul showed that its not enough to gain, but it should be enough to maintain.
LBFH is the only sub i’ve run for around a year that I don’t currently have in my stack.
This will give me more data to prove the maintenance theory.
I’m starting to think 13 on 4 off is not a good idea.
11 on 4 off is the max.
It’s not clear yet, but I’ll start the mid month washout early just to cleanse the palate.
I’m not entirely convinced that 13 on 4 off is the problem though.
I need more data. So I’ll use it again for the latter half of this month.
If I feel the same thing, then it might be.
DRR2 might fuck my productivity next month.
And I forgot I don’t have access to HeO because of the cyclical break.
Mogul alone won’t be able to weather that potential shitstorm by itself.
I guess I’ll have to delay my plan to experiment with LBFH and use LE instead.
Using EE should be better & more straightforward, but that’s a new sub, it’s too risky.
I can afford some recon from DRR2, but god forbid recon from 2 subs at the same time.
So I’ll pick the safe path. LE + DRR2 with Mogul as a supplementary sub.
Great! Now it’s tempting me too lol.
Love the idea.
Great journal, I’m not remotely caught up so forgive anything you may have mentioned already
Thankyou! Don’t worry, sometimes I just write random shits, plans that didn’t survive, or I repeat some points over and over again, lol.
I’ve been in the process of cleaning my journal though, it’s gonna take time since we can only delete 10 messages a day.
It feels more like a guide than a direct boost. It’s directing me towards having better strength instead of just a flat out boost. Well, at least that’s how it manifested in me. I’ve been training my strength & bodybuilding for years so the result might not be as pronounced as for someone who’s still new/intermediate.
I did feel a burst of extra effort here and there, but it’s so sparse that I can’t confirm it’s from HeO.
Yep, with WB back then. The synergy itself is great. They really helped me with my meditation goals. But as saint said, those two are as far apart as you can get. It doesn’t mean you’ll get recon from using both, but your focus will be so scattered that you’ll end up having to prioritize one over another.
Declining WB’s manifestations suck, but I decided to focus on HeO.
I found that 3 times a month is enough to progress with DRR2 & to maintain Mogul.
2 times a month should be barely enough for progress, but more than sufficient for maintenance. I’m currently gathering more data on this.
Once a cycle is useless. My friend confirmed it to me after they tried it for months.
Since my cycle is ~30 days (11 on 4 off twice a month), 2 times a normal 26 day cycle should be a bit more potent than what I’m working with.
If I can get more data and prove the viability of this theory, it could completely change how I plan my schedule going forward. My main concern now is having the focus too scattered even with only 2 loops every cycle.
Other pattern that I’m thinking of experimenting with is:
Cycle 1: 2 times, at the start & at the end.
Cycle 2: 1 time in the middle.
1 is too little, 2 might scatter the focus. so this is the middle ground.
Yep, lately been looking in the mirror, sexy mf over there.
Looked in the mirror at the grocery store, sexy mf over there.
It’s almost as strong as when I was using WB.
It really feels like something inside that blocked my sexuality has been cleansed.
Transitioning to LE now so I won’t get overloaded when I switch DRR1 to DRR2.
I’ll also ditch Mogul completely in favor of LE.
Stack switching in the middle of DRR2,3,4 seems like a recipe for disaster.
And by the time I’m done with DRR4, the new HERO title will be close to being available.
There’s no room to go back to Mogul, at least until next year. So I’ll be stuck with LE.
Goodbye free money 
Are you referring to Genesis: Mogul?
I’d love to hear your experience with it — what kind of benefits have you noticed?
I actually have it embedded in a custom alongside Primal Seduction, but I’ve never run it on its own. The custom feels pretty heavy, and it’s been hard to tell exactly what each component is doing.
If you’ve used G:Mogul solo, I’d really appreciate any insights — especially the many benefits you might have felt from it.
Maybe manifestations as well?
What about the aura of Ge:M?
Yes
While i won’t go into details about Mogul. I can outline it into 3 parts:
First when i started using it. Everything is modest but still potent. It brought nice bonuses here and there.
Second, a few cycles after, when the “long term wealth & opportunity building” part of Mogul started to shine. It started to give me serious advantages instead of just nice bonuses. This is why I always say Mogul’s strength is in building long term sustainable wealth.
Third when i stacked it with DRR. Motherfucker went from long term only to literal free money generator (well, not free, everything is still connected to my endeavours, but the absurdity of the effectivity makes them feel like free money, lol). I leaked some of what happened in this journal but holy shit it is consistently doing beyond my expectations.
If i put it briefly, Mogul helps you get opportunities, build your foundation, gather long sustainable wealth, and makes everything faster/smoother. There are other scripting too.
Idk about this one. The aura from Mogul is about trust. The problem is I use LBFH & HeO for a long time too. Both deal significantly with trust. So Mogul’s auric effect got overshadowed by them to the point where I can’t tell.