Viktor’s Victory Venture (LE + DRR)

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#1010

From what i understand from the description of LE,

The Executive function should be for any length of goals.
But the Beyond Limitless part excels at enhancing what you already have, it doesn’t really expand it.
At least not as well as Limitless or QL. That’s the “short term”-ness that we are referring to.

Here is straight from BL’s copy:

What’s the difference between Limitless and Beyond Limitless? While the scripting is similar, the intended results are much different. Beyond Limitless has a tighter focus, aimed at helping you maximize your current cognitive abilities rather than expanding it, like Limitless. This means Beyond Limitless’ effects will be noticeable much quicker. It also means that Beyond Limitless may be more suitable for cognitively demanding events that will occur in the near future, like an upcoming test. Limitless, with it’s long-term focus, is designed to massively boost your cognitive abilities, but this process takes longer due to the depth and complexity of the design goal.

Simply put: If you have a task that requires studying, solving problems, etc. AND it’s going to occur in the very near future. Go with Beyond Limitless. For long-term cognitive enhancement, use Limitless.

@AnswerGroup does this description still hold up for LE? or has it undergone a different direction after it was made into ZP?

Since I plan to use LE for 9 months, I did wonder if making a custom of the normal Limitless + The Executive will give me a higher ROI for the long term cognitive enhancement part.
But LE + DRR is enough for what I need, so I’m not really considering it at the moment.
I stopped caring about whether it was for short or long term after I saw that the effects were enough for my needs.

#1011

LE 15m DRR2 5m

So far i noticed i need to eat & sleep more.
My sleep now is around 8-10 hours a day.

I was also not as productive today, i needed to take the extra rest.
Well, i don’t take a break on weekends anyway.
So it’s not strange that my body needs the extra rest to adapt & recover to the new load.

I like this pacing.
It’s above my comfort zone, but not too much like when i used DRLD.

Now i just gotta adapt to the changes.
Find the balance and slowly improve from there.
To go fast, you gotta master slow first.

I think my sweet spot for DRR2 is around 4m30s.
There’s a feeling inside that alarmed me when i passed it.

For LE, no alarm.
I can use it for 15m with no recon or sub-induced lethargy.

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#1012

I spend around 30 minutes a day total in the forum.

This has been a good alternative to scrolling social media, but it is still one.

I will (again) go on a forum hiatus until i find a good balance of social media usage.
Right now, i spend around 1 hour a day on leisure social media scrolling including the forum. Mostly when i’m resting or eating.
This spikes when i’m resting from work for the entire day.

LE makes me want to optimize my schedule even more. I will follow it strictly first, then once I’ve become more familiar with it, I’ll find the best ways to include the forum & social media back into my life.

This also works well for keeping my commitment to staying with LE for 9 months. I still want to get updates on the upgrades though, so i will open the forum at least once a month.

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#1013

I went too hard too quickly in reducing activities.
I need to take it a bit slower first.

But overall, I have been successful in doing more essential productive activities.

I’ll try to be more lenient to myself, and slowly increase the productivity from there.

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#1014

I’m ready for EB.

The short term creativity boost from LE is… meh.

The creativity boost from LE doesn’t feel even a bit similar to RM:UWX or the experimental RM:V.
Honestly, it feels less impactful.

It’s not an RM product after all.
The creativity boost from RM products are so much better whether it’s for work or artistic stuff.

I was expecting a bit more from LE.
Although it has only been 1 cycle, i have been using cognitive enhancement subs for more than a year. Combined with the supposedly “short term” focus of LE, i expected more from LE in the short term since it specializes in it.

If it’s for long term goals, i believe LE can give me better creativity as time goes.
But for short term, it’s a bit underwhelming compared to the short term effects for creativity i got from other subs.

It’s either LE is not as strong as the others, or i have hit a point of diminishing return with creativity scripting.
Either way, LE doesn’t have a spot in my stack for short term goals.

That’s my review for LE’s short term creativity boost.

The cognitive enhancement in general is not bad, i can see it working, but my goal with LE is more towards creativity, so the cognitive enhancement mostly falls under the “effects that are just nice to have”.

The productivity boost though, that’s a whole other story.
I’m very satisfied by it.
Stacked with DRR, it’s by far the most complete combination for increasing productive i have ever felt.
This is the best productivity boosting stack.

This makes me think.

If the productivity effects are this strong, but the boost towards creativity is not that much, then why don’t i focus on productivity now and creativity later with the custom i planned?

After using & adapting to LE, i become more sure that i can handle EB.
I’ll alternate them. 1 month LE, 2 months EB. For 9 months. Then I’ll switch to the custom.

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#1015

viktor was looking for a creativity boost which he didnt get as much as he wanted with but the productivity boost was insane for him

@Greybomb check out this thread for a whole bunch of productivity script testing

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#1016

Cant wait to see your experience on EB

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#1017

I need to rest.

LE has been intense.
I cut a lot from my life.
Social media, idle chatter, activities etc.

“Do i need this?”
“I should stop.”

Those keep coming to my mind until i completely stop, or do them significantly less than usual.

And it turns out i don’t miss them that much.
This is what makes me certain that i’m ready for EB.

I still need to adapt to it though.
Find the balance and improve from there.
Resting is important for the long term sustainability of what i do after all.

There is recon from DRR2 too, but it doesn’t make me lethargic so i don’t mind it.
I prefer DRR1 still. After more than a year using SC, I realize i have low tolerance for scripting that are not directly addressing my goals.

DRR2 is a good healing title, it’s working great so far.
But i just can’t be bothered with healing now.
I like DRR1’s invisible but potent boosting ability more.

But I will still use the rest of DRR stages, then DRG.
I want to see how different i will come out after the crucible.

Thanks to 1.5+ years of SC & meditation, compared to most people, i have significantly fewer psychological problems. Even with how hectic my life is. DRR further enhances it.

Combined with the boost from LE, i can afford to go through any recon as long as it doesn’t make me lethargic.
The potential gains that i can get from the entirety of DRR is clear. I’m willing to make the investment.

Executive vs EB
#1018

@Prioritas
Take a look at my LE + DRR journal for these past few weeks.
This is exactly what the stack has accomplished for me so far.
It is the most effective combination i’ve ever used.

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#1019

just curious, what is more attractive about EB → LE to you? If LE is making you feel like you’re ready for EB?

#1020

The Beyond Limitless part in LE is not really suited to my goals.
RM products are better for creativity.

What I want is simple. Productivity + Creativity. DRR is enough to handle the other goals.
LE is great for productivity, but not really focused on creativity.
RM products are great for creativity, but not as good for productivity as LE.

If I don’t get the creativity from LE, then I might as well focus on productivity first and leave creativity for later. I have used RM products for almost half a year anyway.

That’s why EB is more interesting.
Focus on productivity, taken to the extreme.
It fits my goals really well too, I didn’t get to it sooner because I still needed LBFH back then and I was afraid EB was gonna disrupt it.
Now that LE has shown me that I don’t need as much non work related socialization as before, I can finally use EB and give all of my focus to what I truly want.

The “L” part in LE becomes less attractive the more I use it, which makes my interest in LE go lower than EB. My interest in EB hasn’t changed, I just have fewer doubts about using it now.

I’ll still use LE though.
1 month LE, 2 months EB, repeat.
The productivity scripting is proven to work really well and it’s a good sub to use in place of EB when I will need the break.

#1021

Have you used eb? You do love le so i feel like you would aslo love eb since it has action and productivity scripting top + other goodies

#1022

yeah a couple of loops, but im in sales, and i’m a social guy, not really attracted to “monk mode” or “winter arc” style motivation. I’ve been with the same woman since as long as I’ve been using subclub and i’ve always, always, employed a 9-5 work schedule, while enjoying the **** out of my weekends with her and friends.

Maybe I work on the weekends or evenings for a tiny bit, but i’ve just used LE to get very very good at working very very hard in the time I allow myself to work, and then trying to live a balanced life with the rest.

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#1023

Eb still has scripting for socialising and money, i even made a support ticket about if using module synergy:at the top would be unneccesary if im using eb and they said yes as there is already dominance scripting

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#1024

A lot of EB’s goals sound similar to DRR’s.
I wonder how EB will feel like.

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#1026

I forgot to listen to the subs for a few days.
Well, I may as well take an early washout.

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#1027

I took the overflowing love from LBFH & the fulfilment for HeO for granted.

Now that I have neither in the stack for a long time, I start seeing the contrast.
Couple that with the recon(?) from DRR2 & discipline from LE, life is starting to feel emptier.

How long has it been since I woke up filled with the desire to adhere to the virtues from HeO.
Or the extra drive to do my best because of the healthy attachment from LBFH.

I think this can be an impactful suggestion for LE and The Executive.
Imbue the drive derived from them with meaning.

The productivity boost from LE feels quick, raw, and direct. These are what I want more for my goals.
But it kinda lacks the drive for why you do them compared to HeO, which can give you extra rigidity to the foundation of your productivity.

Well, I’m not expecting the update for LE to address that as deeply as HeO. It’s one of HeO’s main advantages after all. But maybe some aspects of it can be included in the update.

The obvious answer to the problem is to just add HeO back into the stack.
I only have 2 subs in my stack after all.
But I’ll wait until everything stabilizes.

Main Disc. Thread - Limitless Executive ZP v2
Main Disc. Thread - Limitless Executive ZP v2
#1028

You know, we talk a lot about whether or not subs are “permanent.”

And the obvious answer is something like “not 100% permanent but you’ll retain the new lifestyle, beliefs, and experiences that you’ve had, which then become what subliminally reprogram you on a daily basis. If you listen to mogul for a year, and beforehand you had no job, afterwards you have a high paying career, the high paying career will continue to have subliminal programming effects even if you stop listening to the sub.”

more or less.

And i think whether or not HeO and LBFH are permanently ingrained in you is an interesting conversation. Because you’ve had life changing results, and the beliefs you’ll inherit are permanent.

With that being that, I think that subliminals would be MORE permanent in a washout period than in spite of new subliminal input.

HeO and LBFH are probably quite ingrained in you, but new subliminals will also create new belief patterns that will merge with and in some cases possibly even overwrite LBFH/HeO.

I think this goes back to an argument being made for you making LBFH/HeO in a custom or even QTKS if they’re truly your staples.

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#1029

You’re right, i’ll think more about adding HeO into a custom.
The changes it brought still stick, but the intensity of the drive that facilitated the changes has greatly diminished.

After more than a year since i started HeO, now i’m starting to think about what’s the meaning of what i’m doing. It used to be very obvious when i used HeO back then that i couldn’t imagine not living with it.

I still have the drive that i had before i started using SC.
But without HeO, it feels emptier in contrast.

I think it’s enough to use LBFH as the third sub in my stack for 1-2 cycles if i really need to.
LBFH is great, it was amazing for what i needed back then, but for my needs now, HeO is better.

There are changes that i got which have stayed regardless. Some of the changes in perspective, the personality change etc. but i need to start thinking in term of multiple years instead of just one if i want the changes to truly stay.

6-9 months were enough, but it’s nowhere near good enough to wish for the “active effects” of the subs to stick after they are out of the stack.

This is going to change my plans completely.

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#1030

Nope, even when stacked with LE.
I forgot that this was why I started DRR2 in the first place. Now that it’s abundantly clear that I can’t bend it to fit my creativity goal, I don’t have any other reason to continue DRR2.

I’ll go back to DRR1.

I have used DRR2 for around 2 cycles total though, I’ll try DRR3 next time when I feel like it.