Deleted that, it’s too personal.
Long story short, running WB was the right choice. It helped me connect dots that i wasn’t aware of.
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This is the best explanation I’ve read about the foundation of taking action with subs.
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I decided to keep WB in my stack until I get no recon anymore from it, no matter if it takes a month or a year. I’m sure there’s something to be gained by reconciling and making peace with it.
i plan the schedule to be like this:
1 HeO 30s Mogul 30s. microloop every time i start a new cycle. right before i sleep.
2 Rest
3 WB AC
4 Rest
5 HeO Mogul
6 Rest
7 HeO Mogul
8 Rest
9 WB AC
10 Rest
11 HeO Mogul
12 Rest
13 HeO Mogul
14 Rest
15 HeO 15m Mogul 15m. full loop at the end of the cycle.
16 Rest
17 WB 15m AC. right after i wake up.
18 Rest
19 Rest
20 Rest
21 Rest
I will swap Mogul to RM:UWX after 2 or 3 cycles.
I will take more rest days if my intuition tells me to do so.
HeO & WB will stay for a long time. so my stack only has 1 free slot left.
Because of that, I will stop coming to the forum until then to keep myself from sub switching.
It seems quite extreme, but I know for a fact that when the upgrade for LBFH drops, WB will be first on the chopping block to get swapped if I don’t control myself, rofl.
see you guys later!
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Take all the time you need. I really liked reading your journal. I’ll miss it.
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I… come back much sooner than i expected…
I played WB again and there’s almost 0 recon.
If the peak of recon from WB is 100%, then the recon now is not even 1%. Unlike the last cycle where i said there was “no recon”, there is actually no recon now. The difference is clear.
Not only is the recon gone, but WB’s effects, which originally only felt like they were seeping in through a crack, now feels like they are flowing more freely.
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I did a lot of inner works and pondered deeply on what @Parsifal & @Skadoosh posted and said to me. Those directly & indirectly give me clues on where to work on myself.
After discovering more about myself & my sexuality, i feel more calm & confident. It’s like i found another depth that i didn’t know existed.
I am having a big shift in how i think, feel, and approach life. I don’t know how to really describe it, it’s like i found another layer of vipassana that i can apply to my life. I can observe & respond better to my thoughts, feelings, and body.
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The changes are second only to when i was actively using LBFH. Yes, It’s that huge. I’m glad i picked WB even though i have HeO in the stack. I knew my intuition were onto something. HeO is enhancing it really well.
As for the subs’ influence on the healing, i wonder if NWE in mogul helped me with this. I noticed a big shift in how i think, notably how much i go “i can learn from this” or “this is useful to help me grow” and more when i face myself and outside circumstances.
I didn’t have this thinking pattern being this intense before. I don’t know if it’s because of the new Mogul or because i started to listen to only 15m of HeO instead of microlooping it. Maybe their effects combined together and resulted in that?
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I’m not gonna think too hard about it. if it works, it works. That makes me reluctant to swap Mogul out for RM:UWX though, that’s unless HeO is upgraded with the N*E scripting sooner than it.
Knowing that the new scripting might have had a hand in helping me with this whole thing, WB’s position in my stack is more precarious when LBFH’s upgrade comes out.
That’s why I will go back on hiatus until i’m completely sure that WB doesn’t give me a big recon anymore. I think writing all of this now is a bit hasty, but I just feel it’s only right that i give an update for now.
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Since I don’t get any recon with WB anymore, I’ll go back to journaling here.
WB + HeO works well.
There are too many to write, I’ll just post my offline journal.
Discovering the pulse & latch
I can control my emotions now.
To be precise, I can choose whether i want to latch onto an emotion or not.
Emotions are just pulses. Often it comes as one brief pulse at the beginning, then it lives or dies based on whether my mind decides to try keeping the emotion alive or to let it go. It’s my choice to latch onto that one pulse or not.
All i have to do is observe.
My job is to be aware when the pulse is not there anymore and if i’m still subconsciously latching onto it.
Breathing & calmness
Breathing has become very pleasant.
Taking a cold shower is significantly easier & more enjoyable to do.
Anything that was blocked by my feeling, be it fear anxiety etc, is now much easier and enjoyable to do.
The calmness is similar to when i’m meditating.
The constant “one” worry is gone. I used to always have 1 thing that my mind worried about. It didn’t matter how insignificant or absurd it was, my mind always picked 1 thing to be constantly worried about. This, after decades, is finally gone.
I can go in and out of calmness very easily
Breakthroughs
I got several breakthroughs in my calmness in less than 1 cycle
The first was from including WB in my stack. I could cut any feeling short by realizing that the pulse is not there anymore & i don’t need to latch onto it.
Then, that realization led me to finally “get” what vipassana is about. Which feels different from observing the pulse & latch above. It can’t be put into words, you have to experience it yourself to know how it feels.
It’s like explaining what color is to a blind man or how salt tastes to someone who has never tried it. You have to go through it yourself.
When i said “breakthrough”, it isn’t a hyperbole. It feels exactly as the word means. It’s like what i got from LBFH three times over.
Verbal cues
Slowly i can let go of the need to use verbal cues when observing the pulse & latch. I used to say something like “is the pulse still there? No? Okay there’s no need to latch onto it anymore.” every time i did the technique.
I found that i had an emotional pulse that made me feel weirdly incomplete if I didn’t verbally do it.
After realizing that, all i have to do is to observe the pulse that makes me feel weird and unlatch. The whole process is much more streamlined after i can let go of the verbal training wheels.
The technique now feels closer to vipassana. Maybe they are not so different after all.
Emotional control
This whole emotional observation experience gives me a big sense of freedom that i can do anything i want.
I now understand that the emotions that blocked me before are just a set of singular pulses that only last for a few seconds. Overcoming them is just as simple as not latching to them more than necessary.
Anger? Just unlatch from the sequence of pulses that come one after another.
Disappointment? Same thing. Observe the sequence, notice if the pulse is done, then let go. Unlatch.
Happiness? Weirdly enough, yes. Observe the pulses & unlatch. I don’t need to be overly attached trying to keep the feeling alive. Which strangely makes the happiness sweeter while it lasted.
This degree of emotional control is insane.
Recon & observe
I felt the recon from WB again.
But it was productive, i learned a lot from it.
I was put in an emotionally unbalanced position. It was harder to control my emotions, to observe.
Before, they only felt like sequences of pulses. Then when i was under recon, they felt like barrages of pulses, not only many, but stronger. Observing them feels like solving a puzzle.
But they taught me a lot. What i learned can only be felt. I can’t put it into words, because the way i can describe it is still the same:
Observe.
Emotion & thinking speed
I can think much much quicker.
After figuring out all of this, i found that my thinking speed was limited by my feelings.
I was afraid of losing control of it.
Now i realize that I don’t need to hold it back anymore. I don’t need to slow down my thoughts just to satisfy my feelings. I was worried over nothing for decades.
Breathing
I noticed that when i observe the pulse & latch, i always subconsciously focus on my breathing.
Maybe focusing on breathing when there’s a pulse is the important step.
Realization about emotion
Every time i get a recon and resolve it, i always gain something that’s insanely valuable.
HeO + WB is the best healing sub ever
I feel much more calm than how i was usually before. even when i’m breathing, i feel less tension now.
This is liberating.
Emotional control is not about attacking or suppressing emotions. It’s about observing and choosing how you react to those emotions.
HeO & WB
The unexpected synergy between HeO & WB
I thought these two were going to clash. But my subconscious assured me that they would blend just fine.
Every time i thought about it, my mind immediately gave logical cues & imageries to assure me that they would run together just fine. It also showed me how the subs could support each other. Imagine a more mysterious version musashi or a righteous wingliss. Imagine how the spins can enhance each other in their own unique ways.
It’s as if my mind was telling me that it has found a way to reconcile with HeO & WB being in the same stack in the first place. Thinking about how it would not blend is worrying over nothing.
All i have to do is to be open minded and listen.
Intuition to use WB
My intuition to add WB into the stack was right, i’m glad i listened to it even though it didn’t make sense.
Turns out, making peace with the recon from WB was the right choice, HeO and NSE from mogul helped a lot. Now that WB has its own NSE, it’s even more effortless to run.
Conscious guidance on subs
I just realized that the reason why the emotional control effect from WB is overwhelmingly stronger compared to the other effects is because i use conscious guidance to focus more on it than the other goals.
I forgot how powerful the conscious guidance can be when using SC’s products. I know that this is the case from the first cycle of SC i did.
Asking the sub “help me get this {wealth goal}” was enough to modify LBFH into a wealth sub in its own unique way.
This whole time i was asking the subs to figure out what can i get from reconciling with WB. Combined with HeO and NSE from mogul, WB turned into a potent healing sub. And just like what happened to me with my first cycle of LBFH, WB helped the healing process in its own unique way.
Sticking with a stack
Changing subs is really taxing. Every time i change to a new one, my whole worldview, reality, thinking pattern etc change. I think the most peace i had was when i didn’t change any sub for 2 -3 cycles.
As much as i want to change Mogul or WB to LBFH now, i’m really taxed by just managing the changes from my current stack.
I will stick to the plan. HeO + WB + Mogul for 3 cycles, then swap mogul for RM:UWX for 6 - 8 cycles.
After i know how it feels to run RM:UWX, i will make customs with HeO + RM:UWX and WB + LBFH so i can finally use LBFH again.
Other than LBFH, The new module pack is really interesting. I’m looking forward to putting most of them in my custom.
Sexuality
I may as well write about what i found out about my sexuality since i wrote about it a lot:
Nothing.
I found nothing about my sexuality, i thought and wrote about potentially repressed things, fulfilment problems etc and how I thought that they might be the cause.
But the more i dug, the more i found that i have always been congruent with what i thought about my sexuality from the very beginning. There’s no problem with it.
I tried to uncover deeply, setting aside my ego and avoiding confirmation biases as much as possible.
What it led me to was not any uncovering of my sexuality, it led me to something better.
The act of aggressively setting aside my ego, feelings, beliefs etc was what made me aware of the pulse and latch, about vipassana, about how i held back my thinking capability by attaching it too much to my feelings.
WB acted as a spark to get me into that deep introspection.
HeO strengthens my intuition a lot.
Following my intuition to use WB was the right choice even if it was a strange one.
I didn’t have enough desire to dedicate a slot in my stack to increase my sexual life. And true to ZP’s ability, it didn’t make me do things that I don’t truly want to do. It bends what’s written in the product description to suit my goals.
Expectations
Nevermind that.
A few days later after i wrote the journal above, i found something about sex.
I realized that sex doesn’t have to be amazing. It doesn’t have to be great. It doesn’t have to be as fulfilling as my work.
Sex is just sex. It doesn’t have to be anything. I realized that society has foisted an expectation about how big and great sex should be.
That’s why i was bewildered as to why sex is not as fulfilling as working & improving my craft. I thought that was potentially a problem when i was doing the deep introspection above. It was not.
The problem was about my expectation of how fulfilling sex should be compared to other things that drive me forward in life.
It doesn’t have to be as fulfilling, sex is just sex. Just like playing baseball, it can be a mind blowing and life changing experience, but it doesn’t have to be.
It’s like how i used to play games years ago. Games are fun, i could spend hours a day playing them, but they never made me feel fulfilled. The happiness i got from playing them is empty. And it’s fine.
Games are just games. They don’t have the obligation to be the greatest thing i can experience in life. Sex is the same.
Sex is just sex.
Women are just women.
Romance is just romance.
They don’t have to be anything.
Manifestation
WB with ZP’s manifestations is insane.
Women, social, physical shifting, style, colognes etc. They came and are all somehow connected to my main goal of being better at my craft.
ZP doesn’t steer me away from my goals, it incorporates itself into my goal seamlessly in its own unique ways.
Just like with LBFH, All i need to do is focus on my own goals, no matter if I go out of my way to fulfil the goals of the subs or not.
The only actions i have to take is pursuing my own goals regardless of the subs’ goals and allowing the nudges, intuitions and manifestations from the subs that happen along the way to enter.
Take action if you want to be what WB’s goals set out to be. If not, then you don’t have to. It will fit & adapt to your unique circumstances as long as you allow it. You are fully in control regardless.
The subs don’t push you to do things that you truly do not want. They integrate with your goals and manifest themselves with who you are and what you genuinely want to be.
Observe
Emotions come and go. I don’t feel the need to latch to one as much as before.
This is true emotional control.
It’s not by trying to control and setting expectations of what i should feel, but by simply observing and then letting go of my expectations.
Breathing
My breathing is really free now. The tensions that i wasn’t even aware of is gone.
Lately i have been spending time just lying down and breathing because of how pleasant it is to do.
Just contemplating, observing, introspecting.
I used to not be able to stay still for long. I always felt tense and uncomfortable. Now i can relax in any situation.
HeO + WB is really good.
Perfection
I started saying to myself “it doesn’t have to be perfect” for a lot of things after i started this stack.
That has helped me reduce my expectations. Which actually makes them much better.
I think the main discoveries of this stack is the pulse & latch, vipassana, and figuring out how my expectations help & hinder what i do.
Impermanence
I notice a lot more positive emotions and less negative ones popping out.
In the past, i would have tried to latch onto the positive pulses as much as possible. But now, accepting their impermanence makes them much sweeter when they last and somehow makes them come more often.
Persuasion in ZP
If ZP works by persuading our minds to the ideas that the subs suggest, then it’s easier to understand why some subs have certain effects on people.
HeO has a lot of virtue scripting, it’s persuading my mind to enact and nurture those virtues in my life.
My mind then found out that the best way to have me live those virtues is to have me be immensely fulfilled by them.
I wonder how the virtues apply to others who use HeO too, what their minds find to be best for them to apply those virtues in their own life. Is it the feeling of fulfillment too like i have?
Productivity
I thought using HeO + Mogul would make me too productive, that hasn’t been the case.
I need to add DRLD into the stack too to be that productive. Only using one without the other doesn’t give the same overdrive.
It’s good though, the productivity was too much when i used HeO + DRLD.
Dreams
What’s with the constant dream of losing someone i know?
I lost count of how many times i dreamed about someone i know dying, in a coffin, or just erased from reality altogether.
The worst one was my dream earlier, i got erased from reality, my existence just gone.
There are other details to the dream like how i got an inception, living a long life in the dream and suddenly getting it erased, meeting a version of myself from an alternate universe that apparently can drive really well and took over my body when the car in the dream was out of control etc.
But those details aren’t my focus now.
What i want to know is, what is WB trying to tell me? I know these dreams are from WB because the theme is similar to the recon i felt a few months ago when i started using WB.
The theme is the same. Loss.
I don’t have a problem with the dreams, they are strange but i don’t feel bad about experiencing them. I just want to know why my body is reacting to WB like this. Maybe this is something that i need to uncover.
The recon from WB
When i first used WB, it wasn’t in dreams, the recon was when i was awake. The feeling of people around me getting erased from my life, even a part of me being ripped apart and erased, felt very real.
It was the worst feeling of loss i have ever felt, worse than any failings, heartbreaks, or even deaths of people i’m close with. This is not an exaggeration, if anything, i’m at a loss of words to describe how bad it was.
As saint said, at the end of the day, the subs are just positive messages. Why did i get such an adverse reaction to them?
Well, I don’t get that recon anymore, as clearly shown by the other entries i have in this journal. But i’m just curious, why this recon specifically? What am i supposed to understand or uncover from it? The recon is not here anymore, but my subconscious is trying to tell me something through my dreams.
Should i ignore it? Yeah, probably. I’m really curious, but for now, i’ll just observe and let it unfold. It doesn’t affect my life anyway.
Just like how I can live without knowing how an important thing for my life like oil is extracted and processed, I don’t need to understand what caused the dream and the recon. All i need to do is to live my life.
Commitment to stability
My intuition tells me that i have used enough of WB.
I will stop after a few more cycles. WB is harder than other subs to run, but constantly swapping subs is much more exhausting.
6 months. I’m going to keep using WB for that long. Then i will swap it for LBFH or make a custom.
Custom?
Should i follow my intuition or should i keep my stack? My intuition under HeO is absurd but they usually end up being great.
I don’t get any recon anymore as long as i don’t run WB for 15m. I have found out about observing the pulse & latch, vipassana etc.
WB is convenient since it has emotional control, weakness to power, self love, physical shifting and social scripting.
LBFH can take care of the self love & social effects, HeO is enough for physical shifting, and I don’t mind dropping the weakness to power scripting.
But i just can’t drop the emotional control scripting. I don’t know any other sub that hits as hard as WB.
I really should make a custom. I’ll wait until NLoE core & HeO with NSE are out.
Sub hop
I get no recon anymore. There are some tenseness and unproductivity, but that’s just a tad bit more compared to the recon that i got from LBFH. Basically nothing.
Things have settled. I want to use LBFH, but rocking the stability now will be too tiring. I want to rest from sub hopping.
It’s great how subs can completely change how you see life, your thought patterns, your relations etc. but having different life changing moments every 21 days when i change a sub is just too much.
The most stability i had was when i ran LBFH + Mogul for a few cycles consistently. That was life changing but manageable. The goals didn’t jump around, the change to my thought pattern was consistent into 1 direction, and the subs were giving me consistently increasing results.
Don’t sub hop, it’s not worth it.
The effect of NSE so far
I think i have an idea about what NSE is about. Manifestation is one thing, but i believe the whole point of NSE is about learning from experience, being more aware of what can be learned from it.
Manifest an event > go through the experience > learn from it > manifest an opportunity to apply what was learned> go through it > learn from it > repeat
1 thing that changed after i used NSE subs is i always, constantly, without fail think “i can learn from this”. This never stops, whatever happens, i always think about what and how i can learn from it.
This journal is not chronologically sound. I didn’t plan to post the journal in its entirety, so I wrote wherever I wanted.
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Amazing post. Please never delete this I got so much value from this, thank you.
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Cycle 9 day 14
I really want to swap WB for LBFH. But i got to stick with the stack. Stability is more important than anything right now.
Sword training is going well, i can execute the movements way better than when i started a few months ago.
Productivity is normal. I like it this way more than when i stacked HeO or Mogul with DRLD. I was exhausted all day every day. It’s now more balanced.
I want to use a sub that can help me with vipassana, maybe RoB will be the sub that I’m searching for. For now, HeO + WB is enough.
Update 1:
NSE’s effect of making me think that there’s something to be learned never ends. It manifests and guides me to get more experience, then it gives me the opportunity to apply what i learned from it which leads to me getting new learning materials.
The cycle is repeating over and over again. And there are a lot to gain from this.
“Spring summer autumn winter” makes so much sense after experiencing NSE.
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After testing other formats of journaling, I found that I don’t really like the cycle x day x one.
I’ll just say whatever i want, whenever i want. It feels more natural to do.
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The listening log for cycle 9.
I’m now on day 15.
1 HeO 30s + Mg 30s
2
3 WB (3m)15m + AC 1m
4
5 HeO (3m10s)15m + Mg (4m30s)15m
6
7 HeO (3m20s)15m + Mg (6m)15m
8
9 WB 2m30s + AC 1m10s
10
11 HeO (3m30s)15m + Mg (7m30s)15m
12
13 WB 3m + Mg 3m
14
15 HeO (3m40s)15m + Mg 5m + AC 1m20s
16
17 WB 15m + Mg 15m
18
19
20
21
I’m doing 2 experiments this cycle:
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listening to a sub for a few minutes, then blasting music loud enough to drown the sub’s sound. the () before 15m is how long i listen to the sub before i play the music.
Result: on the days that i listen to HeO + Mogul, it’s less heavy. but i got recon when i did it with WB on day 3. there are too many variables on play here so i can’t make any conclusive answer yet. all i can say is it might (might) work as a microlooping strategy. -
(day 11 - 17) This listening pattern that @Fire posted a few days ago:
1 Sub A + Sub B
2 Rest
3 Sub A + Sub C
4 Rest
Repeat
Sub A is supposed to be half of the length.
So if i usually listen to Mogul for 10m, I’m can only listen to it for 5m.
I usually listen to Mogul for 15m, so I’m supposed to listen to only 7m30s.
But i only played it for 3m on day 13 and 5m on day 15. i got the urge to stop earlier before 7m30s.
it doesn’t feel heavy so far. no recon either.
I’ll try blasting WB 15m + Mg 15m on day 17 to see how heavy it is. there might be recon from WB, but overload feels distinctly different, so i may be able to differentiate between the two and see if it’s too much for me.
The 21 day schedule feels better so far
- 17 days + 4 rest days
- listening right after i wake up on the last listening day
- 2x30s microloop at the start of the cycle before sleep
It doesn’t feel as heavy as the recommended 26 days and more importantly, it works better for me.
I can’t say anything yet about reducing the last rest days from 5 to 4. I’ll give an update after I’ve done it for a few more cycles.
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We have the module everpresent for vipassana in the Q store, but what sub has something like it in it? Is there a sub for vipassana?
I guess the closest sub will be RoB. Let’s see if it is or not when it’s released.
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Revelation of Mind
Probably revelation of spirit too, but RoM is specifically to enhance cognitive functions and meditations and the like. It’s the “least spiritual” of the revelation trilogy
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I agree with ouroboros. Revelation of Mind helped me focus during meditation. It’s awesome for that since it even removes the noise in your mind and makes it even more peaceful.
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That’s interesting.
I planned to swap WB for QL when i make a custom later down the road. Since RoM is in a similar category as QL, adding it will fit my plan perfectly.
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I plan to try this listening pattern next cycle
1 Sub A + Sub B
2 Rest
3 Sub A + Sub C
4 Rest
5 Sub A + Sub B
6 Rest
7 Sub A + Sub C
then 3 days of rest
repeat 1-7
then 4 days of rest
the cycle will still be 21 days, but i take 1 listening day out in the middle.
After using SC for 9 cycles, i realized the results i got diminished around the last quarter of the cycle. They felt heavier, hidden recons started to show up, general sluggishness etc.
then everything got better in the rest period at the end of the cycle.
so if i cut the cycle in half, theoretically, i can get the most out of the subs.
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I forgot to update on the “skip a day if my intuition says so” experiment.
nothing, i didn’t get any intuition to do it at all. I thought HeO + WB would trigger it, but no.
I’m going to drop this experiment. it doesn’t matter with the new listening pattern.
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My fave is 3x a week. Whether that’s MWF, Tu/Th/Sa, etc
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i heard people use that listening schedule a lot too. i might try that in the future.
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So… i fell for the temptation and used LBFH today instead of WB 
the effects & manifestations are super quick like usual. i want to go into depth about them but everything is just like what I have written in my journal about LBFH above. it’s the best sub ever.
Well, i already figured out about observing the pulse & latch, vipassana, and about expectations. I also have reconciled with WB’s recon. There’s not a lot of reason to use WB anymore
i will miss the emotional control scripting but i already got what i needed from it.
Switching to LBFH is going to rock the stability again, sub hopping always does. but… to be honest, I’m just rationalizing my decision right now. the underlying fact is, I’m dying to use LBFH and i don’t find WB to be useful anymore for my goals.
Update 1:
It was not a fluke, the manifestations are still happening even now.
I have been using LBFH for 6-7 cycles and it still surprises me every time.
I feel really good, fuller & whole. people around me are kinder & more enthusiastic when talking with me, people who haven’t contacted me in a while suddenly messaged me, working is more fun, everything is much more fun. i can go on and on about what happened in just a day of using the new LBFH.
LBFH is too good of a sub.
observing the pulse & latch is really useful when used with LBFH. I don’t cling to the positive emotions more than necessary.
i need to find the actual name for observing the pulse & latch, it’s something that i came up with by myself to describe the emotional control method that i found when i stacked HeO & WB. I can’t be the first one to find it, there must be a name for this technique already somewhere out there.
Maybe it’s just an inferior version of what true vipassana can be though.
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I thought i was going to be overloaded since i ran LBFH + Mogul for 15m each this morning. It has only been 4 days since the last time i played WB so i didn’t follow the 12 day stack rotation rule.
I don’t feel any overload, weird. I crossed the 12 day rule for LBFH & the 7m30s limit for Mogul.
Well, I’ll take it as a one time anomaly.
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