Ecstasy Black … aka Cocaine Mogul.
Standup Stark
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Sometime in September. We’re taking a little break right now.
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That tittle that was mentioned years ago that will never see the light of day “ sex monstrosity “ Fingers crossed lol
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“Sex Monstrosity” was my project. That groundwork became Primal Nights. Stack it with something like Diamond or SMX and you’ll have a rather close build. It wasn’t an attractant, it was designed for just raw, very primal sexual interactions.
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Hint: No one’s gotten the title right yet. I don’t think you will. 
That’s the point of Fire vs. Saint. Not about popularity. About creativity, self-expression, innovation and of course, exploring deep philosophical themes such as duality, the inner world versus the external world, material aspiration versus spiritual and the delicate balance that seems so hard to achieve. And competition is good, yes – but if competition doesn’t lead to internal change – at least for me – what is the point?
@Fire and I both have this idea that the more we improve ourselves, the more we educate ourselves, the better we can serve the world. For me, I had long “mastered” material wealth in a way, it was something that came easy. What I needed was spiritual growth.
What I didn’t anticipate – like many others who decide to walk a spiritual path and will confirm – was somewhat of an ego collapse. When you’ve lived your life seeking material pleasures and accolades from the masses (since I grew up quite poor) and that’s what drove you to succeed, what happens when almost overnight, you no longer have any desire to “have your name in lights,” what exactly do you do?
The answer for me is creativity and innovation for the sake of expression.
So, while the polls and the hype are fun, remember that all of our “season themes” are philosophical and designed to help customers explore themselves, both sides – the fiery passions of the flesh and the pursuit of material wealth, and that ineffable, undefinable quality of “spirit” that hides within.
I’ve already learned a lot just looking at that poll, which our first instinct was to remove, but then we decided to break away from our normal habits. Being honest, I fully expected the poll to swing hard in @Fire’s favor, since he’s been the project lead for many of the titles that appeal to those seeking more resilience, more dominance, more control over their lives. When we saw that the polls were running 50 / 50 or close to it, it helped me realize that there are more spiritual people here than I thought and gave me more motivation and inspiration for the overhauls to RoS, RoM and the rather risky Chosen: The Way of Nature idea I’m working on. They deserve their titles as well. So regardless of how the poll ends or what people say, we’re definitely giving those titles some fresh life.
Both are important – the spiritual and the physical. In my opinion, they are one and the same, both informing the other. Whatever path you choose is yours alone to walk, and deal with what comes along that path.
This is about choice. This is about experience. It’s about choosing your path. So, which one will you choose?
P.S. @Fire 's idea was so compelling that I rushed out and created a musical single for it – risky title, risky musical single, but in that risk, I was able to explore other parts of my creativity. That’s how this should work – by letting go of “control,” I was able to see the sheer brilliance of the idea. Once I showed @Fire the first draft, he immediately became inspired and began writing basic script ideas. This should indicate the nature of Fire vs. Saint. Though we are “competing,” we are still working very closely together on the titles as he is inspiring me and vice versa. We’re just analyzing our own responses and fears to the other person’s ideas and taking a leap of faith to allow their vision to shine.
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Mind blown ….thank you taking that leap of faith it and releasing it , yes I will definitely try that stack idea in the future
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I thought season 3 wasnt coming until all titles were updated?
Maybe, it’s Nothing Black a title for joy and relentless optimism.
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That was a good question, Hoppa.
We defy most stereotypes and it’s very hard to truly pigeonhole us and that’s one of the reasons we’ve refused to list out which producer led which title – we don’t like being limited in our expression. @Fire is also deeply spiritual and is more than capable of writing spiritual titles, but he likes to create spiritual titles where there’s a practical element involved (like Khan Black, which truly shines when the user has a daily meditative or energetic practice). The spiritual titles I create tend to be more open-ended and is a “journey,” like Revelation of Spirit.
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Love that one!
Ain’t running anything unless it’s the new Trading Black!
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How hard do you roast each other at the office? It is a bit difficult to sense the aimed for tone of Season 3 as we are all sitting at a virtual campfire together.
I mean… with the mindcontrol fans away, I could e. g. see a title for politicians, religious or social figures, leading their tribe, preaching, completely Fired up by the cause. This sub could be called Burning Saint. Such a title would get the undivided attention of everyone and would probably be great as an opener, but I have no idea if this is way too crass or just proper grandious wrestling inspired lingo perfect for Season 3.
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Man it’s honestly still hard to believe how far we came. My only wish regarding subclub is that it remains like this or evolve for the better where it’s creators and staff are happy regardless of what the future holds.
With the utterly insane results i’ve been getting with zpv2max+nse i know that ZPV3 will be utterly mindblowing. I only hope that SubClub is protected from any third parties that might take issue with people becoming happier and healthier. And that despite the trolls and degenerates that cause them endless worry, they will remember us who are truly grateful for everything we learned, for the growth and the space for us to be here.
Lets not take this place for granted everyone. We been through so much and even greater days are on the horizon.
[MOD EDIT: Not being funny, just trying to keep the conversation somewhat on customer expectations and ideas rather than the conversation turning to us.]
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IMO the set-up of Season 3 is great – if no competitioner is close enough to push you to further innovation, you have to do it yourself and loving any potential wrestling inspired battles – but it’s kinda difficult not to turn the conversation to you when the season is called Fire Versus Saint.
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Understandable. But again, remember that we think very philosophically and reflect that into the company ethos. Outside of new titles, most of you already know which products remain for an overhaul and it’s a mixture of intensely spiritual titles and intense wealth / romance titles.
And so, the more important question is: will you fuel the fiery flames of ambition and material wealth, cultivate the inner spirit (your internal sense of sainthood), or try to navigate a path between them both?
Hence, the battle of “Fire versus Saint” mirrors the path that each of us must walk, for better or for worse.
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Lennon-McCartney
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Sounds less like competing and more mutual inspiration and collaboration!
In Saint vs. Fire, it’s the customers that win 
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Por que no los dos?
I have a spiritual custom with Love Bomb, Sanguine, and a ton of virtue/forgiveness/safety/joy modules
and I am running that alongside an alpha custom with Emeperor, Limitless, and a bunch of status/power/productivity/wealth modules
Not gonna lie it’s tough to balance and because the customs are stuffed to the gills with modules (many of them Synergy lol), the progress is slow and subtle
But BALANCE between the spirit and the flesh, we shall achieve 
For anyone who’s curious:
Strength & Power (44 modules)
Emperor core
Synergy: One Above All (3)
Synergy: Winner Overdrive (2)
Synergy: The Golden One (7)
Victory’s Call
Virtue Series: Temperance
Instant Business Tactician
Limitless core
Dopaminergic Revival
The Aligner
Synergy: Preordained Vitality (5)
Heracles
SPS: Fat Burn
Synergy: Machine Totality (3)
Deep Sleep
Synergy: Divine Dominion (6)
Void of Creation
The Way of ROI
Cosmic Navigator
Synergy: Primordial Aura (5)
Love & Wisdom (32 modules)
Love Bomb core
Joie de Vivre
Synergy: Carpe Vitam (3)
Faith Unyielding
Divine Self-Image
Gratitude Embodiment
Starfilled Night
Light of Humility
Virtue Series: Patience
Safety Net
Synergy: Wonders of Life (2)
Song of Joy
Synergy: Wisdom of the Ages (4)
Path of Forgiveness
Virtue Series: Hope
Sanguine core
Negativity Displacer
Synergy: Semper Praesens (2)
Synergy: Subconscious Mastery (2)
Synergy: Energetic Transcendence (5)
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General important theme. The source of many of my successes, but also my biggest issue because sometimes it’s SO HARD to do (like, how do you let go of monetary need when you live paycheck to paycheck).
We all need to find our own ways of doing this, but this seems to be the source of success for the more spiritual inclined.
More material inclined folks seem to work better under “burning desire for thing X”
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Khan stage 2 has me wrestling this in my mind. I have come up with the sense of it’s good to have the burning desire for X, do everything possible within your power to make it happen, but then at the end of the day focus and celebrate on the effort towards that goal, not the result. If the result happens enjoy the victory. If defeat happens retreat, re-group, re-assess your goal, re-align yourself and attack again.
It’s a hard dichotomy to balance and has a lot of introspection to it.
It’s how I started playing board games and now slowly transitioning into how I am attempting to live and think about life.
Case in point, I accidentally just gave a review on Khan stage 2.
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ZPV3 ….bring it on !!?
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