Put alternately:
these steps:
and these steps:
Will both take you to the top of the exact same mountain.
Which stairs would you rather take?
And for that matter, which ones do you think would get you there faster?
Bigger is not always best, or most effective/efficient.
Whichever one fits you best is going to be the one that best carries you to your potential. (and beyond).
Those guys were doing the Lord’s work.
Stark OG 
well i live in hope hahahaha
When is Symmetry: Seductress coming? 
Same question regarding seductress’s release date here @SaintSovereign any estimation avaliable yet?
I think the goal is to progress towards the full loop eventually, however starting with 30s-3 minutes is typically a good idea to get a feel for the title.
I’ve noticed, especially when I don’t do a proper stack rotation and go right into trying a new title, going right into 5-15 mins actually gives me diminished results because I can’t process/feel overloaded.
Once you get comfortable with the title, your seeing results and the recon is manageable then bump it up.
It’s not about the hitting rhe potential as much, as running what you can to get some form of results.
And, ironically, for me, I have not really noticed much from micro-loops or shorter loops.
I do them in order to be patient and because they’re recommended by @SaintSovereign and @Fire.
But I have also not really experienced a whole lot of obvious recon in these years of using the subs. And my first really clear experiences with subs were when I first started running Stark Terminus when that was introduced as an experimental build.
Once the new ZP build was introduced, I decided to lay down my ongoing Terminus experiment and to be more conservative and careful (since this build represented an enhancement in power and process).
And that leads me to a current question, (maybe I’ll also raise it in another thread, if that’s more appropriate).
Question:
I’m wondering what’s the degree of similarity, difference, or overlap between a) running a loop of a Terminus build program (in which more repetitions of a subliminal are condensed into the same 15-minute time frame); and b) running multiple loops of that program in standard, non-Terminus build?
I wonder how these two conditions might contrast experientially and functionally. They’re clearly not identical, but there is some degree of similarity.
My experience is that recon does not directly relate to overload, nor does overexposure lead to recon (again, “directly”). By “recon” I’m meaning the cognitive dissonance that happens as the script brings forth a reaction within me where I react negatively. If I work on that belief/experience which shaped my reaction, recon fades.
If I run 3x15m loops in a day, I will be knocked out for the following 2 days. Tiredness, brain-fog, moodiness etc. but if I do any introspection - there’s nothing to work on. There is no belief, experience that is in contrast to the script. There is just too much script to process.
If I jump into a new sub, I will have greater recon with 15m loops, and it will be easier to work on that recon (introspective wise). But if I do full loops, with multiple subs I’ve ran for a long time, the processing does not get easier.
My experience basically says that overexposure/overload is not recon, and should not be treated as recon, it should just be treated as an overexposure (aka listen less). That’s at least the only tool I have found for overexposure. So if you’re a person who processes stuff faster/quicker easier and don’t find yourself getting overloaded (if we’re distinguishing between overload and recon) I would probably say go full loops.
I get more results on full-loops, but the rest needed between loops makes it impractical for me to use. I reckon most people do not want to be knocked out between listening days, and 80% of the benefit lies in the first quadrant. So for most people it will be better to run micro-loops, hence the recommendations. Since you are more experienced with subs I think it’d be fine with you listening more.
I’d consider them both (i.e., cognitive dissonance and overexposure effects) to be varieties of recon. One is more content or “software” related. The other more stimulus or “hardware” related. I do see your point, and, if pressed to give a highly-specific definition of reconciliation, I’d also give precedence to the challenges of integrating the actual concepts in the script.
Anyway, to resolve this, you can just slightly adjust my wording. Instead of “But I have also not really experienced a whole lot of obvious recon in these years of using the subs”, we could just change it to, “But I have not really experienced many obvious over-exposure effects in these years of using the subs”.
Yet the underlying question remains:
How does the stimulus of 1 Terminus or Terminus2 loop compare, functionally and experientially, to the stimulus of multiple Standard loops?
I’ve been wondering about this.
I hope new titles have some sexual energy scripting infused with them even a little bit,i feel like it would be very beneficial,sexual energy is all energy. Sexual energy would also help to be magnetic and help with making important friends
Maximising the inner and outer world.
Maybe some of the new Genesis AoJaH, self care, and loving productivity scripting can go into the new Khan Black update. That would be great for sexual energy transmutation imo
Day 2 of asking when is Symmetry: Seductress coming 
Might be something brewing for Christmas or new year.
Last Christmas was SB and Khan if I’m not mistaken. Pretty high hopes for a Christmas EOG drop.
I really am looking forward to the new stark drop.
As soon as Saint gives the green light will upgrade.
I am sometime back 
Last year Christmas Eve was new Primal and Primal seduction.
Mid January was the last Hypedaddy event that gave us new Khan ABBR PN and HS.
Ended up with all 4 titles from the last Hypedaddy event. In other words Hypedaddy events are good for business.
@SaintSovereign for someone who’s ran Genesis Mogul for almost 2 years would you still recommend I run EoG ST1 when it comes out or would it be okay for me to go to something like ST4?