So basically EB can be used to boost other subs ?
Will there be other artisan experimental subs released before years end besides emp black and these 2 you said would come out in the next week
Super excited about this. But a curious question. Were the og Revelaations subs of the new experimental ZP build, or the old one? Or something in-between? ( Honestly, it’s a joke really to call the original ZP tech “old” 
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Either way I am really looking forward to both of them, and I plan to run them as expansions to QL and Alchemist. I am humbled that I am allowed to partake in these personal subliminals of yours, Saint. 
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New experimental build.
But I’m having doubts about the title. It’s very potent, very very potent and I question whether people have the self-control not to overexpose.
I keep seeing people complain about so-called side effects or saying a sub working when it’s very obvious to us it’s the result of overexposure. When we call them out, they usually admit, but I’m starting to see people who are clearly overexposing lie about it. They’re using weird internal logic to lawyer game the definition of overexposure.
The more we say stop overexposing, the more people want to test it. So, I question whether it’s safe to put out in its current state or if in should nerf it a bit.
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Can experienced members test it? You know those of us who don’t try to lawyer game and complain about side effects
Maybe send it to the Experimental thread like you did with Wanted to test ZP out and let people qualify for it… that way everyone wont be able to test it and over expose it
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Why not just make them part of the restricted artisanal line?
Personally I’d like to try the un-nerfed versions, I’m redesigning my stack for the long term to aim for spiritual growth, I was hoping to add these two.
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Or invite experienced users to test it out. 
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I hear you. And it’s a fair reasoning, for sure. Especially froma business perspective.
After all, with great subliminal power comes… uhhm… people with wierd recon behaviours… 
Though I would like to try the un-nerfed versions, but not until march next year. Still, even nerfed they would be potent, no doubt 
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I very much agree with you, but at the same time, I would feel like many people would miss out on the beautiful creation that is RoM, and I don’t think you want this to end up like OG Blue Skies
Either way, I think a very fair way to do this is having an invite system, where you, @Fire, the mods and the ambassadors can choose to let in people based on who they are and how they are.
What do you think?
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Understandable but kinda sad.
There are several aspects new to SC in RoM and RoS (like the purely inner development, which would be great for meditative work), that make them VERY interesting.
I would love to try the unnerfed version. The metaphor of unfolding resonates very much with me.
Out of interest: Are both in the same way challenging?
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I’m in.
Don’t give up on us seasoned experimenters cos we sure won’t give up on you always pushing the envelope.
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I thought this became the ZP primer. At least in part.
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I mean they are maybe 4-5 people doing that on the forum.
I read that, and I know you have an eagle view, but from my mice view 
only a few people are overexposing (or not taking responsibility for their overexposure ). I don’t believe the right thing would be to gatekeep the greater tech for the 99.99% who follow the rules.
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I meant the actual OG sub was never released.
RoS is technically more challenging than RoM. The latter feels exactly like what one of the current testers said: a hyperpotent Mind’s Eye. Considering it’s designed to heighten intuition, meditative abilities and overall spiritual awareness, if you can handle something like Limitless, you can handle this.
RoS is a different animal, however. The unfolding is not for everyone and overexposure is not wise AT ALL. It’s not something you play around with. It’s not something you mess around with.
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Which is stronger between RoS and Ascension Chamber?
I don’t think I had any recon on RoS whatsoever. If anything I really resonate with Revelations of Spirit.
While I did have some recon from Revelations of Mind. I only did one loop of RoS and I do like it but it’s a bit like Limitless Executive for me I delve hard into work, particularly around studying Spiritual scriptures lol, and it really gives me the caffeine effect from Limitless which I dislike.
I don’t jive well with cognitive boosters.
I personally wouldn’t mind this at all, I hate overexposure.
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