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#108

Exactly this.

  1. Entity comment.
  2. Boxes - as in, product boxes.
  3. Influence on the psyche.

This literally ticks all the checkboxes that the people who have been stalking and harassing our families, friends, staff and us are looking for. If anything, this would have been a perfect read of the room if one was looking to try and set up a new source of hysteria.

Especially if we were to delete it - but we aren’t doing that.

In this new era of Subliminal Club, we will be going after every single person who tries to start hysteria, lie, scam, etc.

We’ve already caught 4 old suspended members who were trying to just slither their way in.

One was suspended for lying and spreading the idea that everyone on the forum was brainwashed, as well as piracy.

The other was spreading spiritual ideas that were directly hurting members of the forum (@Lion, if you want you can chime in here, but you don’t have to if it’s too personal), and was caught lying in an attempt to “prove us wrong” by claiming overexposure is not real - thankfully, we caught it before the idea spread. @AlexanderGraves, I believe you remember this situation better.

Then we have another suspended forum member who caused so much forum drama that half of the forum said “I don’t want to post anymore because he’s posting”. Kept doing it even after being asked to stop many times, then started sending dismemberment videos to forum members and calling for war, conquest and domination. Got suspended permanently. Then had the gall to claim @SaintSovereign and I never cared after he was suspended from support - after we tried to set him straight from his “war and domination” obsession in a last ditch act of goodwill.

Finally, we got the OG stalker himself, who has consistently stalked us for years at this point with the claims that the forum members are in “spiritual bondage”. Messaged our friends, families and even the wife of a customer.

I expect the last couple of them are going to appear within the next 30 days. Interestingly, out of all our suspended members, if you take all their alternate accounts (some of them having as many as 45), it’s only maybe 6 or 7 people at the most. But like @SaintSovereign said, it’s just like a kidney stone - 1 is enough to ruin your whole month.

This time however, we are directly going after these individuals. We are in the talks with our lawyer team to start legal proceedings against the OG stalker, the other one is in permanent “limbo”, and the last one is being dealt with.

I also want to point out that every single time these individuals have come out and tried to attack us, it was through the forum community. Every single time, it’s “it’s a cult”, it’s “they are brainwashed”, or “they are in spiritual bondage”.

We are not allowing these cowardly people to target our customers and get away with it, nor stalk and harass our staff, family and friends. We will combat them every step of the way, and if anyone has a problem with us protecting this safe haven that we have established painfully over the years, then perhaps it is time for you to look for another subliminal provider.

One that won’t fight as hard for you.

Up until now we’ve done it silently, but going forward we’ll be calling out every single one of them and letting everyone on the forum know what is happening behind the scenes. Gone are the days where they can play their games in the shadows due to our own goodwill protecting them.

So, I want to note that there indeed are bad actors and that it’s not simple “paranoia”, and if we are pushed (by the bad actors) with even a single additional bad act of theirs or asked (by the community), we will gladly show the proof we have stored in our databases of their wrongdoing.

I want to call on the community to be aware that there really are people looking to paint this community as a “cult” and ruin the safe space that has been created. If you don’t want that to happen, do what you have always done (quite successfully I must add) - flag and report these individuals - and be aware that unhinged people are looking for any little excuse to tarnish your results, your experiences and life stories just because they are mentally unstable.

Hence let’s avoid idolizing (not that we wanted that in the first place - we just want to make dope shit), making claims that the community is more than a safe haven for individuals from all kinds of different walks of life to come together and grow together (i.e it having a psyche, it being an egregore or any other similar concept), and so on.

Let me paint a final picture for you of what is happening…

Imagine - someone is not having a good day, week, month, year, or life; and as an act of vengeance they decide that YOUR life, YOUR experience and YOUR being is a lie, false and wrong. That YOU lack agency over your own existence, and they must be right.

All your experiences, knowledge and hard won battles are null, and THEY are the sole arbiter and judge of what is right and wrong.

Hence THEY get to decide what your experiences and subsequently how your lives should be and go, and that you are just “brainwashed”. And if God forbid you say anything against it, then you are “evil” and “occult”.

And if you ever try to make your stand and fight for your growth, for your friends and family, for a better life and world in one of the rare places that allows it, well then, we must tear down that place too because you then must be part of the “evil ones”.

Honestly?

Fuck that.

I think we have more than enough of that these days.

I say rage against enslavement in all such forms.

Live and excel in your life without the wicked bondage of others trying to claim your blood, sweat and tears for their own twisted purposes.

I promise you - Subliminal Club definitely will.

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#109

I feel exhausted just reading this…

@Fire started cursing, you know we’re about to get in a new era of Sub Club.

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#110

Its really strange and quite pity that “religious”, “cult” and etc topics appeared in first place.

Myself is quite observant person, with high enough sensitivity to sense if something “goes off” and… I never had any issues with SC philosophy, which resonates with my soul.

Seeing “aggressive religious” persons here were quite a surprise.

I named it as “shadow” side of the forum.

Btw, is that persons were punished, finally?

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#111

Reading this actually made me mad.

Fuck those people, we won’t let them bring us down, devalue our improvements, or talk shit for a moment longer.

I fully support pounding them into the sand with the full extent of the law, as maybe that way they might learn their lesson through pain, since your kindness hasn’t been enough to get them to change their ways.

I only feel bad for you guys, and the legal fees you’ll be incurring. I suppose I’ll just have to continue becoming legendary and order more customs to help shore up that war chest :rofl: (for anyone with reading comprehension skills below 3rd grade, this was a joke. I already have 3 customs I run and am not planning on buying any new ones for the rest of 2024 [maybe an upgrade here or there tho hehe])

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#112

Let me clarify…

I’ve been experiencing psychic dreams long before I joined SC, in fact, since I was born. Do SC subliminals enhance dreams? Yes, indeed!

In fact, just this morning, I had a vivid dream about this entire thread.

In the dream, I saw the trees in my backyard nearly cut down to the point where a simple push could topple them. I witnessed the founders (not literally) scrambling as the trees teetered on the edge of falling. I looked up, grabbed my sister, and ran to the farthest part of the yard (Chosen instincts :100:), which scared the hell out of me.

Upon waking, I researched what falling trees signify: To dream of a tree being chopped down represents a loss of some established or secure area of your life… implying that the foundations of Subliminal Club are about to undergo significant changes :timer_clock:.

Is this fact or fiction? You tell me.

All I do know is that I’m sticking with Chosen Wanted from now on. I’ve had so many positive experiences with Chosen; I can’t begin to express how much it has improved my life for the better. That’s why I’ve let go of all Khans; I felt that dominating others was far from my true nature of being a team player. Every time I listen, I feel like I’m genuinely contributing to this community :100::raised_hands::heart:.

No more worries. :relieved:
I’m just thankful to be here :pray:

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#113

The thing about people like this is that we don’t understand it until it is too late.

I won’t mention the name of the individual cause it is time we stop giving our energy to them.

Many of us already know this individual though and he recently created another account to slip into the forum and try to affect users by asking about our personal growth.

I found it suspicious and asked what subliminals he was running and he said something about a title in passing.

But largely such characters (including him) talk more about the themselves than the subliminals as if the forum need to revolve around them. And am not talking about journaling but that for them, the forum should cater to their wishes including their delusions of grandeur. And when caught, he tried to deny that he was that person even after Fire tried to verify his identity.

And this isn’t new. This person have done this before where he tries to influence loads of people by writing in a hard to understand manner mixed with a sense of spiritual authority and messiah complex. And when we fall to such influence, he will ask you to join his group and through him achieve some form of personal development and even “salvation”. Cause you know, he is a spiritual guru?

Thankfully I have been spared his attention partly cause am not a big believer in following someone (although am incredibly loyal to those I love). But even that didn’t stop me from appreciating his writings which always have that sense of certainty that tends to sway us away from our individual power.

Only after knowing later that he was trying to recruit forum members into his own personal cult, did u realize the reality of what was happening after which we had one of those epic showdowns on the forum lol.

It is no surprise then why Saint and Fire don’t want us to hero-worship them (or anyone) cause they know the danger of losing our personal power and uniqueness in order to obey the whims of someone else and feed their ego and accomplish their agenda. We need to take back our power and sovereignity by avoiding such individuals and if that means being more stringent in the process of name embedded main store titles or in the rules of the forum, then so be it.

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#114

@KingofClubz Funny you mention dreams because just 2 days ago I had a dream in which I was playing my favorite video game Valorant with @SaintSovereign, he had organized an event for the forum members so we were playing together on the same server, it was a very cool dream and I had a lot of fun!!

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#115

That’s pretty cool :sunglasses::+1:.

I wish I had been there :cry:.

I’m not much of a gamer, unless it’s Tetris :rofl:.

Dreams are fun and very revealing about the complexities of life. I know that from now on, I will filter some words and statements that I type, as they can have a negative impact on the group.

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#116

Hear, hear. I’m excited for what’s to come from SC.

Increasingly powerful, efficient and effective products and most of all nerfs no more.

As for liking this company?

Well what’s not to like. A company whose actual goal is to improve lives and respect their customers? Of course I’ll support it.

I think some of these issues from what I’ve read and understood comes from a crabs in a bucket mentality.

“I’ve had it hard why should you have it easy?” “I’m miserable, you should be too” “Or “F you I had mine”

Man. Do I have stories about people like those in my life.

Pruned this and my post down below as I don’t want my post to be long in such a serious thread.

Anyway, I’m just one individual, but I say keep going SC and stay strong.

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#118

Let me drive my point even further in.

Just received another gem from the support agent before she “limbo’d” the whole thing (while documenting it of course for any potential legal necessities):

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In other words, it’s not his actions - it’s every forum member’s “evil” reaction to his “terminology” that caused chaos and drama.

These individuals are so blinded by their own brokenness that they are unable to comprehend how inane and crazy their ramblings are, to the point even their historical accounts are off.

Meanwhile, the other individual who has been harassing us claims that all forum members are in spiritual bondage.

Funnily enough, we’ll catch them sneaking in and buying products under alternate accounts, and then when we ask them if our company is so cultish, why are they still buying the products, they say the product is mind controlling them.

But then they claim you guys are in spiritual bondage.

I’ll be honest, both @SaintSovereign and myself are completely confused at this point.

So, I’ll let the community tell me, be honest now…

Are you guys evil, or in spiritual bondage?

Which is it?

And make no mistake everybody, we’re already predicting the next argument - because we are locking them out of the community, they are going to say “oh my God, exclusivity! That’s why they are a cult!”.

So in other words, they create an issue by attacking the community, then when we try to fix it, they turn it around and say the solution is the issue.

Do you understand this ridiculous circular logic we’ve been dealing with for years?

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#119

If I’m being really honest I think this bike needs a chain, some breaks and for god’s sake put some air in these tires!

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#120

My guess is that’s the main point.

I only read parts of their endless ramblings but they reminded me of old toxic acquaintances, a lot of confusion tactics, boring into submission with walls of text, rubber/glue, always frenetically digging rabbitholes and kindly inviting you to come down with them ending on emotional emphasis that has no traceable origin.

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#121

Wow… any way to block them from support as well? That just looks draining

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#122

SC didn’t influence anyone to press the buy button, only for them to turn around and blame SC.
That’s like picking up a hammer, smashing your fingers over and over again, and then blaming the hammer.

Ridiculous!!!

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#123

Okay.

That was the last time we’re giving energy to that aspect of why we’re shifting gears.

We’ve vented a bit, hopefully explained one of the reasons of why we’re taking this action, and now we can go back to am the more important issue: everyone’s concerns about the upcoming shifts.

We appreciate everyone’s feedback, including those discussing the philosophical pros and cons of “exclusivity,” versus “open access,” and if you have more of those concerns, we want to hear them.

In regards to upgrades, we’re looking at some kind of self-serve system, where once the upgrade is available, you simply login and request it, and the Q software will create the upgrade and send it. Honestly, though, once Zero Point Union is completed, upgrades won’t occur as much, and the focus will be on which actions one can consciously take to get better results, hence the name “Union,” as the nature of the tech will require conscious steering, but not in the way most people think.

We are open to other ideas, as we know many of you are coders and work with software development on a daily basis.

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#124

In the spirit of moving forwards, all this upcoming changes are wonderful.
Cant wait to play with the new tools!!

All your efforts are very much appreciated you guys!! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

We all deserve to focus all of our energies into creating more growth and changes, making our lives much more enjoyable… filled with passion.

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#125

My insight is this…

  1. first and foremost, finish updating the current subliminals already in the library, maybe write the future updates un-nerfed as the name embedding direction is being headed towards.

  2. then introduce name embedding in the store for new purchases, have a spot where we can input a name and hear back how it would be pronounced, and we can add instructions on how it would be pronounced otherwise…

I see this becoming a MAJOR bottleneck as there are so many unique names out there and the level of complexity is very high. Then we run the risk of our name being incorrect in the script and the pronunciation which I’m sure you guys have thought already but it’s a big reality.

And then now that this is becoming the norm… the barrier of entry becomes greater for new customers or people who are skeptical because instead of buying a subliminal for my friend who is brand new, now his name has to be connected which I’m not a fan of.

I’d rather you guys completely subtract the beginner market entirely though but that shrinks your TAM massively.

After you guys really dial in this AFTER the titles have all been rewritten then it would make sense to start working on improving the tech with ZP Union or whatever else is up your sleeves.

PLEASE DO NOT SACRIFICE THE SHORT TERM FOR THE LONG TERM.

Most people will not see the vision.

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#126

On one hand the part of SC focusing more on professionals is understandable. I get it. Specially with some of the stuff that’s been going on.

It’s kind of an exhausting wack a mole to try and help those who need well a different kind of assistance.

However I’m still a proponent of products to help those who are looking for a fresh start or stability in the lives.

I understand AM, Genesis and the like are there, I’d like to request those products improved upon further and not forgotten in lieu of more professional focused products. Titles that made SC the Titan it is today.

About the name, it’s good but… I’m probably in the minority but I don’t like my name… hahaha… anyway that’s a small matter.

That aside I’m also asking if we’re still allowed to purchase products for a loved one, like seductress or paragon etc. I know there are ways to have them purchase it themselves but I figured I might as well ask in this current thread.

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#127

Unpopular opinion: I would rather you guys focus entirely on advanced users, triple or quadruple the price, and stop nerfing products.

Then focus on releasing more titles to the library, specifically skill based titles which we are severely lacking in.

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#128

Let’s not look too much into the word professional. What @Fire meant is that we’re now going to focus our efforts on those who have a certain level of development or mindset already developed.

For those others, they may need something like therapy first to create a strong inner framework.

the lines ———

read between

the lines ———

If you catch my drift.

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