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[RVconsultant]

@NinjaFox

Do you think it affect you differently cause I use to do this before?

I don’t know. I am getting changes, so the subliminals are working.

[Simon]

@NinjaFox

Do you think it affect you differently cause I use to do this before?

I think most of us take breaks to avoid Overload / Heavy Brain / Headache.

Taking long enough breaks makes it easier to consume 3-4 hours of subs on Play Days.
If nothing else, the natural, in-between food & water intake removes unnecessary recon.

[NinjaFox]

I do the same and with less loop nowadays feel like the break in-between might be unnecessary

[anon2351792]

Its been said by Saint that DR Ultima and Sage Immortal Ultima are not to be considered boosters, but full programs.

What about Paragon and Elixir? Can those be used as boosters?

I recon Paragon is a bit on the dense side and might be best considered a full program, any input on Elixir?

What other Ultimas are not meant to be used as boosters?

[Meng123]

So far sage immortal is the only one.Every other ultima can be used as a booster as long as you stick to 1 loop,even DR ultima

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This is not a booster. It’s definitely a full program.

Might be because of the touch of ultima+

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It does. And Ultima+ for the bonus.

DRU

@SaintSovereign

Of course, any kind of subliminal programming will have some sort of permanency, but the scripts are written in a way to cause quick state shifts and results, not for deep growth. That’s why we keep pointing out that Ultima is its own product line. Q and Ultima have two different development roadmaps. They are different tools for different purposes. You can’t really take a Major Title script and just throw it into an Ultima format and call it a day – won’t work right. With Dragon Reborn Ultima, we managed to get the full script in there, but it had to be rewritten and adjusted. AND, DRU is meant for you to use after running the entire program. So again, it’s best used as a booster.

[SubliminalUser]

@Meng123 I would imagine DR U is also considered a main since it’s a variant of DR ST4. Then again, it predates the tech of SG.

[Meng123]

Dunno,saint said its best used as a booster but only after finishing dragon reborn first

@SaintSovereign

With Dragon Reborn Ultima, we managed to get the full script in there, but it had to be rewritten and adjusted. AND, DRU is meant for you to use after running the entire program. So again, it’s best used as a booster.

[anon2351792]

Thanks man!! So I was wrong… DRU is a booster and Sage Immortal is the only Ultima so far that cant be considered a booster.

[Lion]

@anon2351792 - sorry for the misinformation. I think I wrote elsewhere that I guessed that DR Ultima and Paragon couldn’t be considered as boosters since Sage Ultima wasn’t considered a booster. But thanks to @Meng123 for clearing this up.

[anon2351792]

@Lion

sorry for the misinformation

I dont think I can ever forgive you for that…
Not a problem my friend… thats why I asked here, so I can be shure before I pick my booster of choice.

[RVconsultant]

@anon2351792

What about Paragon and Elixir?

I would consider Paragon a full on program because it has the potential to be very energy intensive.

Elixir was originally designed to be a booster with Regeneration, but I think people can get significant benefit running it on its own.

@anon2351792

What other Ultimas are not meant to be used as boosters?

Most of them I think. Personally I think DRU should be handled with caution, even though it’s considered a booster, it’s definitely strong.

[Meng123]

Haha,thats where saints famous booster vs major debate comes in

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Because Ultimas are scripted as Boosters. The script aren’t as dense, nor as encompassing as major titles, but the build method consists of a masked file with an embedded ultrasonic, meaning double the exposure. One loop every day will work as a booster. You start adding more loops and you’re getting into major title territory. So again, don’t try to skirt the recommendations.

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It isn’t about the damn “math,” it’s about how many loops are being run in a day. The more loops you add, the more “off-time” needed to process. If you run an Ultima 2x times in a day, you’re running it like a major. This. Is. LAWYER GAMES, trying to find “loopholes,” and questioning the recommendations to get around them. Everyone, pay attention – this is the kind of stuff that led to the “Qv2 and Ultima v2 is tooooo powerful” mess that happened last week.

[anon2351792]

@RVconsultant

I would consider Paragon a full on program because it has the potential to be very energy intensive.

Elixir was originally designed to be a booster with Regeneration, but I think people can get significant benefit running it on its own.

I agree!! Paragon is very energy intensive, so Im thinking Elixir would be my booster.

@RVconsultant

Most of them I think.

I dont think I get it… my question is about all ultima titles, which ones cant be considered boosters.

Sage is definitely not a booster.
DRU can be a booster if you already run all stages of DR, but still can be on the dense side of things.
Paragon is up for debate, since is very energy tasking.

[anon2351792]

@Meng123

Haha,thats where saints famous booster vs major debate comes in

Oh I get it… Im not interested in listening to more than 1 loop.
Im deciding which ultima to listen to in the rest days as a booster (1 loop), but feels like all healing ultimas are a little bit too tasking to be considered booster for me, except maybe Elixir.

[Meng123]

My favorite healing/booster ultima is still rebirth,lol.Light and boosts results from every/any program

[anon2351792]

@Meng123

rebirth

Nice!! That one Ive never bought.

[Meng123]

Should try its my favorite.It even makes healing programs easier and reduces recon

[anon2351792]

Well I gues thats why we have the discounts for

[Budewr]

@anon2351792

Its been said by Saint that DR Ultima and Sage Immortal Ultima are not to be considered boosters, but full programs.

What about Paragon and Elixir? Can those be used as boosters?

I recon Paragon is a bit on the dense side and might be best considered a full program, any input on Elixir?

What other Ultimas are not meant to be used as boosters?

also rebirth and limit destroyer ultima are full on long term programmers not just boosters, i read a post of him somewhere in a disc of rebirth or something

[StateOfBeing]

SGU has the full script in it like Stark Ultima. That’s why it’s not a booster.

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