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[mountainguy]

Only once did I use both As Above and So Below in my stack and I was really into the sensation and clarity it brought to my meditative practice, but using them separately never had much impact. Hearing these two titles are being brought together has me hyped! There’s potential here for a title with as much energetic impact as Khan Black, but leaving more room for ‘dense’ titles in the stack.

I just added the current Minds Eye alongside Alchemist ST 3, as I wanted to bring more “sparkle and sizzle” to my meditations, and the new direction for the new Minds Eye sounds like it’ll work even better for this purpose.

I might even do another run through of all 4 stages of Alchemist paired with these two titles!

[Tomcat]

One more thing.

I think that As Above & So Below can be converted in just one title: Alchemist: Singularity to remove the “dividing” factor. So, no need for two separate titles.

The script can adjust to the needs of a user.

[Lion]

@Tomcat

I think that As Above & So Below can be converted in just one title: Alchemist: Singularity

One title confirmed:

@SaintSovereign

@Lion

Is this combining As Above and So Below to a single title?

Yes, it will now be a single title.

[Metamorphosis]

Here’s something that I want to add.

When I make music, I am constantly imagining and predicting what the next note / sound would be. It’s like a constant visualisation.

Yet, there was song that I once wrote without actively trying to predict by just evaluating the melody in hindsight as I put down more notes to complete the melody and this one turned out to be a very nice song for me.

[Tomcat]

Oops, I don’t have enough time to read all posts but it is really logically correct to have just one track.

Once upon a time As Above & So Below pair were “energy cultivation set”.

Now, as I see, newest Alchemist does this on a whole new level. Alchemist ST2 specially. It now have NSE energy cultivation technology.

Something tells me that new Khan Black will use something similar- NSE sexual energy cultivation.

[Malkuth]

@SaintSovereign

I had a colleague a few years back who had aphantasia, and yet he was the most incredible artist. You name it, he could draw it – without even looking at a reference. But he swore up and down that he had no mental imagery that he was copying from. He described it as “the paper itself is the imagery,” and that the art was driven by a deep emotion that flowed through him.

I relate to this description (though I’m not a talented visual artist). But I too identified as aphantasic.

I’ve come to realize that this is less a matter of ‘having no imagery’, and more a matter of ‘having no easy access to (or influence over) imagery’.

There are parts of us that are present and functioning, but which are not easily accessible to conscious intention.

Contrary to the conventional framing of things, the ‘normal’ sensory experiences that we have in the world are also imagination-based. All sensation is generated by the nervous system, rather than apprehended from some external location.

Thus, a person who looks out the window at something is already generating brain-originated imagery. They are already ‘visualizing’. But some people are able to consciously interact with that capacity more easily than others.

[bujin]

I’ve always been a big fan of Mind’s Eye, but I’m really curious about Singularity. It looks like it’ll be a fully featured title in it’s own right, with aspects of the Revelation titles, KB, Alchemist etc, maybe even parts of CWON. Really looking forward to it.

[Pyro]

Is there going to be a storytelling component to minds eye to be able to express your enhanced visualization capabilities?

[Azriel]

@SaintSovereign

The new Mind’s Eye does not contain that bias. It will help you first unlock your visualization abilities and crank them to the max – however way you “visualize,” and then help you use those skills to succeed in life.

I may not understand this, but will this also support the development and enhancement of new forms of visualization that may not be our strongest?

It sounds like its focus, which is unclear if it is also its entirety, will be on strengthening our strengths or natural propensities rather than developing a new ability or capacity.

I really like the idea of strengthening our own capacities, but I also like that subs can develop what’s weak or not currently the case for me, and develop new capacities.

I want to run a sub not just for the absolute results of my life but also to strengthen a specific skill. I.E. Even if Piano is my natural strongest instrument, I want to run a sub that will make me better at guitar.

Because maybe being good at guitar and piano is better than being the best at just Piano lol Even if I will always be a better pianist than a guitarist.

Will the sub allow growth with conscious direction in this way?

I know I would like to enhance my auditory mind’s eye and music, as well as kinesthetic. And, OF COURSE, I’d love to really enhance my Visual Visualization -like seeing pictures and feeling like I’m in the experience.

My predominant visualization is what I would describe as intuitive synthesis, meaning I put things together and just know it and act, speak on it. It would be great to have this strengthened, but in a title like Minds’ Eye, I would love to strengthen my visual ‘visualization’ specifically. Regardless if that is my predominant strength or not

[Floridianninja]

So are we hoping for a new round every month to every other month

[Saiyan4Blue]

Remember people. The more a sub tries to do, the more dense it becomes and slower time it takes to execute + potential recon.

Powercreep could be a thing here. Not every title should be expected to do 10+ things better than its predecessor

[Malkuth]

(Disclaimer: The following is NOT Saint’s and Fire’s POV on customer feedback and ideas. They ask for it, created a dedicated website for it, and even use it to inspire new product directions.)

[Tobyone]

This reminded me of this, sry @malkuth just had to

Family Guy - Bull in a china shop

[Metamorphosis]

Let’s say you have certain goals that require long term commitment - i.e. 3 months (about 300 hours) and that can completely transform the scale of your life - often times an exam or a course - but that in and of itself is quite tiresome or uninteresting - and you frequently feel like you want to settle for less or it’s okay.

And running something like LE or TE or EB doesn’t suffice because of recon or for some other reason.

Would it be possible to have scripting that makes a goal you choose so interesting, so fun, and so engaging that you just don’t want to turn off?

[SaintSovereign]

@Malkuth

I relate to this description (though I’m not a talented visual artist). But I too identified as aphantasic.

@IRON

I have it the same while drawing. Despite being able to daydream and visualize in my head for fun, I never know how the drawing will look at all. Only once it is done. Drawing feels more like putting blocks on top of one another and seeing what holds together. Often reordering or replacing some along the way.

For me, this is so strange. Even when I’m working on a product box, it begins with a very distinct image or “vibe” that I’m looking for. I can already imagine the colors, the type of image, the emotional vibe and I work from that. But, this reiterates exactly why we’re taking the new Mind’s Eye in the direction that we are. Rather than trying to define “visualization” based upon what is popular, we’re opting to enhance everyone’s natural visualization method and then give them the tools to try and develop another.

@IRON

I have a question. If I were to make a custom and I want to boost its manifestation results, would this new minds eye be good for that? Asking purely about manifestation.

Possibly. Remember that Mind’s Eye is mainly a visualization title. The manifestation idea comes from notions regarding the “law of attraction,” which from our perspective, has been watered down to the idea that one can simply imagine about something and somehow get it. We believe it’s a mix of both taking action and creating a very detailed creative vision to work from and that is what gets the true results.

You also have to be careful when dealing with any kind of manifestation scripting, since you can potentially “manifest” the negative outcomes you dwell on as well. Scripting designed to “boost manifestation” has to be extremely controlled and focused to avoid that.

So, the main focus on Mind’s Eye is the visualization aspect, allowing you to “manifest” it however you choose. Whether that’s through physical effort (taking action) or mental (creative manifestation).

[SaintSovereign]

@Metamorphosis

Would it be possible to have scripting that makes a goal you choose so interesting, so fun, and so engaging that you just don’t want to turn off?

Yes, it can be done. There is an issue, but one that’s a bit hard to explain. I’ll try to simplify it without having to go into deep theory and the such, but scripting designed to help you find a passion COULD also keep compelling you to search, if that makes sense, even after you’ve found something you enjoy.

For that type of scripting, we’d funnel it through the NSE so that the passionate activity “unfolds” naturally into your life, removing the need for you to “search.”

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

Also if already not in there, can you consider adding “automatic daydreaming” function to the mind’s eye so that the people find themselves visualizing positive scenarios/possibilities that could occur in their lives outta nowhere? (with the help of their sub-concsious mind).

Also i feel like this could be added to any title that involves manifesting anything too. Would help ground ideas to our reality.

[Goldfinger]

@Bull_of_Shiva_999

Also if already not in there, can you consider adding “automatic daydreaming” function to the mind’s eye so that the people find themselves visualizing positive scenarios/possibilities that could occur in their lives outta nowhere? (with the help of their sub-concsious mind).

I think something like this is already in the script from the current version, as I experienced it. It was interesting at first, but wasn’t nice when it went out of hand - daydreaming overload, almost every moment, without control over it. It was overwhelming and made it hard to remain grounded.

[KingofClubz]

It’s funny how “visualization” reminds me of Quantum Jumping with Burt Goldman. Back when I was listening to Stark OG, I effortlessly combined his program with Stark’s visualization techniques. I experienced things I never thought possible, realizing just how deep the mind can go. I remember sitting in my room with headphones on, diving into those guided visuals. Burt’s soothing voice guided me through incredible landscapes of my imagination—places I never dreamed I could visit. Coupled with Stark’s vibrant colors and hypnotic rhythms, it felt like I was painting my reality, each stroke revealing hidden potential within me.

I sensed a shift, like a cosmic dance, as I tapped into that energy. Everyday worries faded, and I soared through abstract realms, discovering possibilities I didn’t know existed. It’s amazing how a few techniques can open doors you never knew were there. I wonder if that’s what they mean by unlocking your true self—taking a leap into that quantum space where everything is fluid and limitless.

Those sessions were transformative rather than simply visualizations. Each one resonated with Stark’s rhythm, providing clarity and purpose. I hope to replicate those experiences with Minds Eye, if not enhance them.

[Metamorphosis]

Sounds nice. Basically there are activities that are high return but for some reason you just feel like - nah (out of laziness or lack of interest). Even if in the grand scheme of things, you do want to do it.