PLEASE READ: Fire vs. Saint Round 2

[Hoppa]

RoW single stack comments?

[Malkuth]

@SaintSovereign

Get ready.

[BlissAdventurer]

Waiting “unpatiently”. I cannot wait to kick start after Luna New Year a new Wealth cycle

[RagnarLothbrok]

@SaintSovereign if I have no direction will RoW and/or EoG help me to discover or decide on a direction?

[RockyHandsome]

@Judoka

8 stage subliminal

Is this for real 8 stages ? I am on the edge of my seat here dying to know more

[Parsifal]

@AnswerGroup

Over the past four weeks, I’ve realized just how smooth NSE feels in its operation. However, this very smoothness sometimes makes it challenging to notice changes in daily life—something I realized upon revisiting my journal.

Could this lack of noticeability affect our results?

When we don’t recognize progress as it happens, we miss out on the positive feedback loop that reinforces trust in the subliminal. This might subtly undermine our confidence in the programs effectiveness.

I’ve read several accounts suggesting that pre-NSE results were more noticeable—not necessarily that there were more results, but that they were easier to perceive.

With this in mind, I wonder if future updates could include scripting designed to make results and improvements more apparent. By highlighting progress more clearly, users could experience a stronger positive feedback loop, boosting their belief in the subliminals’ effectiveness and potentially accelerating their results.

[ksub]

@Parsifal

Could this lack of noticeability affect our results?

You have to find your own framework of noticing results.
Here is mine:

• How I feel now regarding specific situations vs how I used to feel before the sub.
• How easier it is to take action now vs before the sub.
• If taking action is not easier, how easier I can will myself into action mode vs before the sub.
• Which responses and reactions I’m getting from my environment vs before the sub
• How I react to specific triggers now vs before the sub.

When I look at my journal, I can see very obvious patterns of growth that wouldn’t have happened without the subs.

[Lion]

@Fire

Many people have trouble connecting to the idea of wealth. So many preconceived notions, to the point some feel as if “something” is blocking them, like a barrier in front of them, stopping them from connecting to the idea that yes, you can actually achieve wealth.

Normal scripting will naturally over time erode this and help connect to it. With Revelation style scripting, this is a much more… “mystical” process. Not quite in its original meaning, but more in the style of tapping into that idea of wealth regardless of the subconscious structures blocking the connection. And from there, a slow revelation of the possibilities that naturally change the subconscious structures.

Hence the word “mystical” - it can appear as if out of nowhere. It’s a much more intimate, subjective process (more so than normal).

And of course, for advanced users this can have completely revolutionary effects, once you’re in those deeper subconscious layers.

Am staying off trh forum for a while but peeping in occasionally to see if there are any updates.

And this post piqued my interest since am wondering if this sort of scripting can be applied to health too. Maybe for the update for Paragon Complete or Revelation of Body.

[anon1637736]

@SaintSovereign

EoG features the new multistage format where you can run it in any order you want.

Which titles have this feature ?

[Jouissance]

Renaissance Man: Vibes and Emperor Fitness are the only ones, currently.

But the copy and style he’s referring to when he says the “new” multistage format refers to RM:V specifically

[Fire]

@RagnarLothbrok

@SaintSovereign if I have no direction will RoW and/or EoG help me to discover or decide on a direction?

While yes it can absolutely do so (and you’ll likely notice such an effect, and even those who do have a direction will have insight into profitable areas that could be interesting to them), specifically for the “no-direction” issue we have made Genesis.

@Parsifal

Over the past four weeks, I’ve realized just how smooth NSE feels in its operation. However, this very smoothness sometimes makes it challenging to notice changes in daily life—something I realized upon revisiting my journal.

Could this lack of noticeability affect our results?

When we don’t recognize progress as it happens, we miss out on the positive feedback loop that reinforces trust in the subliminal. This might subtly undermine our confidence in the programs effectiveness.

I’ve read several accounts suggesting that pre-NSE results were more noticeable—not necessarily that there were more results, but that they were easier to perceive.

With this in mind, I wonder if future updates could include scripting designed to make results and improvements more apparent. By highlighting progress more clearly, users could experience a stronger positive feedback loop, boosting their belief in the subliminals’ effectiveness and potentially accelerating their results.

Part of achieving greater and more profound results is having them feel natural. This is why journaling is so important.

The goal that we are aiming for is actual life-transformation, which doesn’t necessarily correlate with obviousness (as anyone can verify, there’s plenty of other stuff out there that creates cool tingles but barely creates any change in one’s life).

That being said, I’m not against increasing obviousness of results. We’ll note this down and see if we can tweak it without compromising results. No promises though.

[James]

@Fire

While yes it can absolutely do so (and you’ll likely notice such an effect, and even those who do have a direction will have insight into profitable areas that could be interesting to them), specifically for the “no-direction” issue we have made Genesis.

EOG , Genesis, & RoW?

Asking out of curiosity. Not because that’s what I’m going to do

[Jouissance]

@Fire

That being said, I’m not against increasing obviousness of results. We’ll note this down and see if we can tweak it without compromising results. No promises though.

I second this.

There’s more confidence that comes from obviousness of results. More momentum gets built. I notice a result, it inspires me to introspect on and realize the other non-obvious results, i feel confident that i’m getting results so i go out and take massive action, and that gets me even MORE obvious results, which gives me more momentum, confidence, action, and results again, etc etc ad infinitum.

[Azriel]

@SaintSovereign

ASBR is directed mostly at product launches.

Information like this is massive. Can big things likes this be included in copy in the future?

This is ‘pyscho-active’ information to me, meaning it creates integration and direction that can’t be unknown

I’ve run ASBR for a year now

Knowing this I feel a massive power in my ability to do something like that, but never even thought of it. So much of my experience and internal pulls are retroactively very clear now in knowing this

[Fractal_Explorer]

@Fire

That being said, I’m not against increasing obviousness of results. We’ll note this down and see if we can tweak it without compromising results. No promises though.

I feel like this could go either way. More obvious results someone’s like “oh cool the sub is working, I’m changing” vs “oh change, I’m afraid of this time to pump the brakes”.

But there’s also the “nothing is happening” effect which can also decrease overall integration. Seems like a hard balance to get right.

[Judoka]

I wonder if the suprise launch could be more synergy modules

[SaintSovereign]

It can help., yes. Ultimately, you’ll have to consciously choose, as the script doesn’t push you in any direction.

[SaintSovereign]

@Azriel

Information like this is massive. Can big things likes this be included in copy in the future?

I feel like it we make it with clear that ASBR is for the entrepreneur who wants to create a world changing or market changing product. Hence why I said “product launches.”

[SaintSovereign]

@Jouissance

Renaissance Man: Vibes and Emperor Fitness are the only ones, currently.

Dragon Reborn Red and Gold has it to an extent:

There is a major difference between Dragon Reborn RED and the other multi-stage titles you may have used at Subliminal Club. Dragon Reborn Gold has no “maintenance” stage.

All four stages contains unique scripting, as refinement is a process that can continue infinitely. There is no “end point” for Dragon Reborn Gold. After a single run, you can opt to stop, or to continue your refinement journey until you think you’re ready.

But, jumping straight to Stage 4 will serve you no good, as it is a unique stage in its own right, with scripting aimed at refining the progress made in past stages, while introducing new concepts of its own.

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

@SaintSovereign

I feel like it we make it with clear that ASBR is for the entrepreneur who wants to create a world changing or market changing product. Hence why I said “product launches.”

In my country there is a famous comedian (Cem Yılmaz) and his punchlines used in our everday conversations all the time.

Could some effect like that take place in there instead of “products” for ASBR?