PLEASE READ: Competition vs. Theft

It appears that Subliminal Club has potentially reached a new level of success, roflmao.

Yesterday, @Fire was working in support when we came across a ticket from a customer alleging a new “subliminal startup” was potentially planning to take our titles and somehow rebrand them for resale. We’ve dealt with the illegal sellers before, who will either purchase or pirate our titles and then illegally put them on sale. This one, however was different. The individual plans to create a subscription based service.

At first, we paid no mind to what was sent, as competition is going to occur and there’s nothing anyone in any industry can really do about that legally. Plus, competition is good – it brings a flame to the veins, a chance to test yourself and your ideas within the collective. But to outright steal another’s work is another thing, entirely.

After noticing that the individual’s mannerisms, speech and the information being provided within this community in which they are marketing completely matches that of myself and @Fire – including instances when the “answers” to people’s questions are lifted directly from this forum, we became concerned and got legal involved. They noted that the individual jacked my grammatically improper use of the emdash (–), which I intentionally do because it provides visual space between ideas where commas seem to fail for me.

Legal discovered that the individual is indeed a customer of Subliminal Club, has purchased A Stark Black Reality and Nouveau RICH in the past and was even inquiring about major name embedded titles in support, asking weird questions about the nature of how the name has to be entered, and something about if the name can be changed.

Again – we are very aware that our products are so effective that it could theoretically produce a competent competitor and was never worried about it, because we have access to our own products as well, lol. Our mentality was always: good luck, we welcome the challenge.

The issue really became alarming when legal signed up for the individual’s “study” that they are claiming to conduct, where the script being tested was described as:

“The subliminals used in this study will contain instructions for overall joy & happiness instructions”

We went back and looked at the individual’s purchases again, and guess what title they recently downloaded? Yep – Genesis: The Art of Happiness and Joy.

It is very obvious when considering all the evidence legal produced (which I cannot post yet, depending how this unfolds legally), what they are planning to do and why they were interested in major title name embeds. I also have no doubt that this individual is going to try to use our ideas and concepts as the foundation of their endeavor.

We’ve decided that we are not engaging in anymore silly public wars and the such – but we have more than enough video and screenshots to easily prove our point.

We’re giving that individual the choice to rectify this situation on their own. If that app releases and this turns out to be more of someone just being a copycat and we verify that our files are being resold or reskinned in any way shape or form, legal is simply going straight for the Apple Developer account. But also, if the app or its content too closely resembles our branding, our style, or concepts, or infringes upon any of our trademarks we will again resort to legal.

Look, everyone – you think you can bring something new to the subliminal industry? Do it. But don’t steal or copy us. For one thing, trying to copy us immediately shows everyone that you have no innovation or ingenuity, and from a practical standpoint you will always be BEHIND us, since we are constantly growing and moving forward. You will always be in our shadow, trying to catch up.

It is better for you to develop your own ideas and approach to subliminal audio and then testing THAT within the community. But trying to assume someone else’s essence and identity is no foundation for any sustainable business.

People can say what they want about Subliminal Club, but we are unique from everyone else. We do our own thing and we leave everyone else alone unless they pull a stunt like this.

Also, to that individual – the community in which you are marketing your app has been abused and manipulated by the “paid subliminal community” so many times that they are hyper-sensitive to these issues, and I don’t blame them. People go there trying to treat them like prey, or just a source of potential money rather than human beings trying to improve their lives.

They deserve their community of people working together to develop subliminal audio in an open source manner, hence why we’ve ALWAYS kept to our own forums and we have decided not to market there at all. Whatever you’re planning, that community is not going to be welcoming when (because with this plot, it’s only a matter of WHEN) they find out that they are once again being lied to by someone.

More updates as this proceeds, but business as usual for now. Except for one thing. For obvious reasons, we’re going to have to put a hold to the idea of single module customs. Q-Programmer has been asked to upgrade our watermarks and assist me in the creation of the ZPU masks to further prevent this type of situation from happening.

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Seriously? Wow!!!

I honestly thought folks trying to steal or get banned had learned their lesson

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I’m not sure that will ever happen… it’s human nature for some people.

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It’s sad but funny. This is like the anti thesis of Noveau Rich and Stark. I’m assuming they fed everything into AI in the most lazy manner possible.

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I don’t get it either. I don’t understand what is so hard about not stealing. We did not invent subliminal audio, so we cannot morally nor legally make a claim against someone making one for themselves. But why do these individuals have to steal our concepts, or do something as dirty as taking our IP and trying to present it as their own?

We are not anti-competition. But we see no reason why these malicious tactics have to be brought into this industry. If you all think we don’t understand the responsibility that comes with being a subliminal audio producer, you are wrong – it is the #1 thing we talk about every time we create a title.

We constantly remind ourselves with various quotes that our customers are living beings who are simply trying to improve their lives. We acutely understand that this endeavor involves a person’s future. People are precious to us. We cannot stand to see or hear about suffering, it literally moves us. We see people suffering, and so we try to create a title that can help them overcome that issue.

There are some things about humanity that I will never understand, and I guess that’s the point. For me, it feels extremely easy to take a more moral path that will help more people.

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Everyone is running their own race…

I’ve been feeling lots of friction with that concept lately, where I have to accept that some people, as much as I wish they weren’t, are a little behind still.

As am I in many ways haha

But we’ll all get there one day

I read a fantastic quote today in a book, it called our current moral state as human beings a “temporary imperfection” :slight_smile:

Such a nice gentle little reframe, I loved it

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"Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust (yeah)
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust"

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It’s wild that someone can be so robotic and greedy, with false pride, that they steal someone else’s work and think they actually built something. The audacity of it all should be an inspiring lesson that makes us even more daring in our pursuit of greatness.

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I am sick and tired of these parasites. How dare they do this cheating thieving f**kers.

You should name and shame them !!!.

Get their arses nailed legally of course.

I tiger never looses its stripes.

We should come down harshly on them. Crush them !!.

I Remember there was a site around the same time as when q or qv2 was developed here, they had a site similar to your name at first some of there titles seemed a rip of from the ones here, some were a bit different but it looked like kitchen sink, think they were on gum road, I used to think maybe you were behind it just testing a different way to market a site but could not be bothered to explore further

Because of the well known fact of different subs clashing plus was testing out z for you on here which was cool.

I think that other sub company closed down.

Not ever explored any other sub companies, but have noticed some other sites normally copy from new titles here, but they are using other modalities.

Think you been through enough since I been here which then effects loyal customers who enjoy the journey with your new discoveries.

Hang in there dude we appreciate you

You are being very generous there, I wouldn’t describe them like that. More like neanderthals, but of course, they see themselves as really clever.

Nevermind, they’ve been found out now. If only they used all that energy to build something constructive :woman_shrugging:

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Bro has an 8 pack so you know he means business.

Lmao you’ll have to delete this message too then cuz you still reference it

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Sad but true. I liked it. It was epic. Glad that I’ve seen it.