Overload on Zpv1 vs Zpv2

Questions and Comments
#1

What are other users experience of this?

For me I feel its easier to overload on Zpv2, hence the need to cut back to 3 or 5 or 7 min loops, even 30 secs.

Recon is less but then is that because of the shortened loops?

On Zpv1 I just listened to a full loop but never seemed to overload, unless multiple in a row which was rare that I tried.

I did have some recon on Zpv1 but now its difficult know if it was more on that than Zpv2, because if I listen to a full loop its like overload.

Not a complaint, just a personal observation, and wonder what others encounter with this.

Feedback is important to work toward improvement.

I understand the primer was taken out at the start and the scripts rewritten, because the primer was impacting some users in a manner counter intuitive to the central focus of the main sub theme.

Yet the primer did provide a boost that I Iiked that was quite uplifting as an immediate after effect of listening to a sub.

That feeling has kind of wanned since the introduction of Zpv2, or is it just that my system or subconscious has got acclimatised to it and now I dont sense that same after exhilaration sensation or euphoria, which was nice but not the actual purpose of the sub.

I’ve heard that Zpv3 will be a combination of the best of Zpv1 and Zpv2. So I’m really looking forward to that :smile:

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#2

I understand your curiously but frankly I don’t think too much about it anymore.

I know the latest files I run are tested, I see the results on the forum and I run it myself and take as much action as possible. That’s it.

Previously I used to wonder about the nature of subliminals, how best to run them, when to run them, why to run them and so on and so forth but realized that all this wasn’t helping me. I stayed in my head all day instead of going out there and getting results.

So I stepped out my head and don’t think too much about it anymore. I run the subliminals according to the the listening instructions and forget about it.

Don’t think am telling you to do the same though. The world would be a boring place if everyone was like me. Am offering you my current perspective. Who knows, that could change one day.

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#3

Overloading, like when your head feels full and you subconsciously removes your earbuds?

Drld did that to me the first time I used it but not since, that was a v2.

My experience with v1 attempts at over exposure is rich. Never felt negative results from that.

Umm, I don’t not recommend overloading drld. I had a bad trip but I did get where I wanted fast. Fast is good. I wonder if the guardrails are about avoiding unpleasant nights.

I’d sign up for a bad night to cross some stuff off the list.

I feel like my energy body is contracted lately. Maybe a side effect. Who knows with things we can’t measure?

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#4

Seems to support the idea there is more common overload issue on Zpv2 than Zpv1.

And recon is reduced or is it just because most users now listen to shortened loops?

Some users who experience zero results perhaps are overloaded?

#5

I have the exact same experience as you. the results were much stronger on Zpv2 but I can only listen to one to three loops a week and then only 3 minute loops. On zp1 i could handle 15 minute loops every other day.

That’s just my experience though, probably different for others.

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#6

There is no way you’re overloading on v2 more than v1. You’re running tougher programs, like Dragon Reborn: Limit Destroyer and Wanted Black. We released a lot more Artisan Titles in v2, hence increased recon.

DRLD would be absolutely impossible to run in v1. We would’ve never even made it. Same with titles like Khan Black.

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#7

@SaintSovereign : There is something in v2 that makes it a very smooth experience. I ran Genesis + RoM (5 minutes loop both) and it barely felt like I was listening to anything at all, yet I can see the internal shift rising like a very calm tsunami. For my current cycle, I’m running Genesis + RoM + Dragon Reborn: Limit Destroyer. 15 minute loops and I still haven’t felt a hint of recon or overload. The only difference since adding DR: LD and switching back to 15 minutes loops is that I have dreams EVERY SINGLE TIME I sleep. But still no recon.

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#8

I seemed to get overload on Genesis, isn’t that sub meant to be suitable for beginners. I had great success with it but often found I was fatigued. Or was that just from the intense dreams and increased REM sleep?

#9

Starman, it’s intriguing that you mentioned feeling fatigued while using Genesis, especially in light of SaintSovereign’s response. However, I’m curious to understand the context of your question and how it ties into the ongoing discussion. Could you provide some insight into your perspective and how it relates to the points raised earlier? I’d like to understand the context behind your question and how it ties into the earlier conversation.

#10

I’m not trying to be funny, but don’t you also do kundalini exercises and listen to meditations like this on YouTube? And you don’t think this has anything to do with the fact that your results are different than most?

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#11

@Starman

I think your interpretation of overload might be lacking, and rather your assessment of “overload” might be in fact recon.

There is no world in which running ZPV2 is more difficult than running ZPV1 (it’s like night and day difference).

The reason people are using shorter loops is because the longer you’re exposed, the deeper the scripting goes into your psyche (bringing up more uncomfortable recon, potentially less on the surface results, and whatever else might come to light).

Plus as Saint said, the complexity of the titles has deepend quite dramatically.

Running WANTED Black ZPv2 vs running WANTED ZPv1 would be completely different in terms of recon.

I know @Jouissance exclusively runs shorter loops because he wants the immediate boost right then and there, on the surface results quickly.

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#12

Also, as I just mentioned in the thread he linked to, if you’re running the same titles and earlier this year you could do all 15 minutes, but now you can only do 5, what does that have to do with the title? The only thing that’s changed is you.

If I go to the gym and I can consistently lift a certain weight, then all of a sudden I can’t, did the weight change or something within myself?

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#13

SaintSovereign’s response to you, @Starman, raises an interesting point. Given your engagement in practices like Kundalini exercises, listening to meditations on platforms like YouTube, and using shrooms, could these additional factors contribute to the variations you’ve experienced in your results?

#14

@SaintSovereign it might be worth considering the implementation of a signed digital acknowledgement disclaimer that customers would agree to before purchasing Subliminal Club programs. This proactive approach could help ensure that users are well-informed about the potential impact of their additional practices or lifestyle choices on their experiences with the programs. By clearly outlining the factors at play, users would have a more comprehensive understanding of how different elements can influence their results. This way, there would be a built-in mechanism to address any concerns and prevent accusations directed at Subliminal Club. :thinking:

#15

No I dont do kundalini exercises, or listen to YouTube meditations.

And my results dont differ from most. Others have reported similar or same as me.

I did Shrooms once and it was life changing and amazing. Not a single regret.

#16

How it has been explained to me is that recon is emotional, whereas fatigue is more from overload. As you mentioned there are a lot more tougher titles offered in V2 so perhaps that is it. These could not be run at all in V1.

Dreams can be off the charts with some of the titles for me, one such as Genesis, so its not so much the weight lifting but it had that effect.

However I did receive wonderful results, just took that other toll on me.

#18

I’m not “dismissing” feedback, it’s just not as valid as you think. C’mon, man – don’t make me post screenshots of you discussing all the different modalities you’ve tried and have used at the same time as our titles.

That alone will shape your experience differently than our testing procedures. Our recommendations for ZP v2 are based upon an individual that isn’t mixing a bunch of things together. If you have, that automatically means your feedback cannot be used in a deeply meaningful way.

That’s the bottom line of this. No amount of arguing with us is going to change our mind on that point. If you’re mixing, or you’re into a lot of different modalities, your feedback becomes secondary. Otherwise, how could we possibly properly test things.

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