Main Idea Thread - Quintessence Pro (Potential Service)

@SaintSovereign @Fire

After the main store titles get revamped, I’d like to see a greater focus on skill based subliminals that are pushed to the absolute EDGE of what’s possible and more focus on customs.

I’d like to see consultations for custom building, more modules, more focus on physical reshaping.

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Guess it’s actual time to start posting, huh.

Yeah, but I’d argue that, once the modules are purchased they are pretty much permanent and it’s just the build that costs and customs are generally run for longer durations. (Not sure about the exact data of course).

Multistagers and Single Stagers, once made, nothing to change until the next update - since there is no on going operations costs (in the case of Q - the processing and the AI engine itself plays a role).

While it’s true that 1 custom is equal to 10-20 Main Store titles if you consider the licence price. As a single standard build itself, it’s 100$ (without add ons).

I mean obviously Saint and Fire will be better understood about the number of customers in Q vs Main Store.

People will anyway purchase from the Main Store to get a feel for the custom modules and cores to pick. So, 3 core custom - again you’re looking at 105$ in mainstore titles.

And not all can spend money on a single go, and some might just get better results in mainstore.

To add, the data for a core’s performance will largely come from Main Store titles I think. Because larger amount of data gets created. And if there’s little to no piracy, likely the forum participation will increase through new members → more data.

Thank you @Parsifal!

An additional option could be setting a base percent % likes per posts ratio that qualifys the member when surpassed. This should work for many members who are less active but still contribute

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What are your thoughts on how we could improve the qualification process?

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Some way to add more modules than allocated now,

too much to choose and to hard to narrow down,

Too much time.goes into trying to select and then end up not getting custom.due to regrets

A custom service like originally where you can write a subliminal from scratch to specific requirement.

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There is too much variability in “likes” on this forum. That’s an unfair metric to follow.

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That wasn’t directed at me, but I have some thoughts on this.

  1. Post count is a very blunt metric, but 1000 posts still requires some dedication to achieve, and anyone spamming the forum with nonsense can be flagged.
  2. Perhaps length of membership can be an alternative or additional metric? e.g. at least 1 or 2 years, or whatever seems appropriate.
  3. As a fallback, anyone could potentially still be able to submit a support ticket and make their case to be manually approved.
  4. Likes are a poor metric IMO, some interesting journals have few likes, anything in the Black forum has few likes, and this can potentially lead to sensationalizing journals to get more, defeating the purpose of journals.
  5. Referral systems are easily abused and lead to cliques, so I hope they’re avoided here.
  6. Maybe consider excluding anyone who has received multiple warnings or caused trouble, as that’s a pretty clear sign of immaturity, irrespective of their metrics.
  7. Whatever the final system is, it should be transparent and the rules published on the forum so people know what to aim for, any hidden metrics used would just give an impression of unfairness or elitism.
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I agree it should be an additional option rather than the only one.
Either you engage a lot with the community or strategically only post a good comment when it has the most visibility to get likes.

But to put it frankly, if you want to pursue it, you should post no chit chat, no journal, no asking questions or other activities that will net you fewer likes.
Only insightful comments at the right time & place.

I’m not against it. If people want it then it’s an option.

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I would say the vast majority of Arch Alchemists are experienced subliminal users who demonstrate meaningful contribution and value. Some might be able to spam the process, but until we see that more consistently, I think it’s a fair qualifier.

I would do a manual application process for those who post less but are still qualified. i.e. @Saiyan4Blue @Hoppa etc.

I think @SaintSovereign and @Fire can identify the people in this category as experienced enough to qualify.

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Id just ask for a pyschokinesis subliminal lol,just try to push the boundaries of whats possible

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In my opinion, it largely depends on what options, modules, and titles they’re getting access to.

If these things are for experienced subliminal users (increased power levels come to mind), then qualification should involve proving that they’re experienced enough for it.

Forum ranking is a very poor metric for that. Someone can be on the forum for 4+ years with a large post count, and be a complete beginner subliminal user with no foundation or capacity to handle more powerful technology, concepts, or scripting. Someone can also have tons of likes from just being funny or likable - I have some meme threads with a lot of likes which have zero relation to objective subliminal experience.

In my opinion, they should be somehow vetted for their ability to handle those options/power levels/titles/modules. Maybe they can fill out an application answering a range of questions:

  1. What titles have you ran, and for how long?

  2. Have you bought customs?

  3. What results have you gotten?

  4. Are you satisfied with your results?

etc

Strong potential metrics could be

  • Having bought a custom and used it with success (this could be strong because you can instantly check if someone has purchased one)
  • Having used more advanced titles (artisanal, or some multistagers, etc) with success

This service seems more like “you’re already doing well, and now you have more options and opportunity to do even better”.

I don’t really know though… I’m just adding to the discussion, lmao.

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No referral systems. Whatever system is chosen will have exact, precise requirements that are not linked to another person’s approval, but rather the level of growth an individual has achieved, as indicated by concrete measurements.

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My chosen routine at the moment is use a custom alongside a major title.

I don’t know how doable is this but I’ve always wanted the perk of being able to tweak and name embedded a major title for my present needs and aspirations.

The effectivity of major titles are undeniable, it’s been crafted with care, experience and support scripting to make the title more effective and powerful.

What I’d like is to be able to have all those benefits while adding things I’ve observed through my own lenses I want more from that title and subtract the things I’d like less from it.

There are major titles I’d love to run in the long term however there are certain features I wish I could adjust so I can tailor it more and align it to my current needs and personality therefore building my momentum; and then eventually, simply make a new order or use that major title when my other priorities have been handled. (While still benefiting from a major title that aligns so well with me and gave me results)

Not one person is the same, and I feel this feature will open up more choices and possibilities.

As much as I am enamored by certain titles, I feel I couldn’t enjoy it fully and in the long term even through a custom because what I may want to adjust is probably part of its core, and again the major is accompanied by meticulous support scripting for the end goals of a sub.

The benefit of obtaining an extra service that gives me the ability to tweak a major title for my use case can be a boon to my sub experience, alongside running a custom on the side.

Anyway it’s just a wish, and I don’t know doable or hard it could be. That said, exciting times.

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Precisely. It should be a really carefully picked cohort. Real “elite”.

:snowflake:

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@Skadoosh Raises a good point. Is this more like another level for experienced users or additional perks @SaintSovereign ?

When I think greater customization I don’t necessarily think of more power, I think more granular design. So not necessarily about having good results as the metric who gets access, but the capacity to design, build, and run customs with some level of autonomy and not causing a fuss if it doesn’t work out

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I fully support this idea, have been wanting this since I have started reading the 200+ modules in the Qstore. Though I think the price could be a touch more afforable than suggested.

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Maybe in addition to post count there could also be a survey (quantitative/qualitative) that people fill out periodically that offers prompts and metrics (selected by the Sub Club team) for describing one’s experiences with subs. Quality of response and frequency of response could be another criterion for qualification.

But there could be a cap on how many survey responses are counted within a given duration to avoid desperation-fueled spamming (e.g., you can submit as many surveys as you like, but only 1 valid response ever 2 weeks will be counted towards qualification).

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For me it would be very nice to test stronger builds and titels that are considered too strong (like Khan Black 2)

Then I am even more happy to be a part of this community and willing to participate

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