Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

If you order a QTKS right now, it’s in QTKS ZPU. It’s already launched, we just need to write up the supporting material for the launch. That’s what I meant by “when QTKS is officially launched.” Right now, it is still Early Access, but from a technical standpoint, the new tech is already incorporated. It’s just not “officially launched” yet.

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Truly amazing that you were able to see the subliminals having an impact on a third person.

Do you know if he was stacking it with other titles and was he microlooping and following the listening instructions closely?

Ohhhhh okok good to know so I will be ready when EoG: True Sell comes out :sunglasses:

he did 30 seconds of true social & emperor every mon/wed/fri

he did Emperor Solo for 3 weeks and knew it was emperor, then stacked it with the “Mystery Subliminal” that was true social

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@SaintSovereign regarding this, what modules should she add as far as result enhancers in her custom to have faster and even better/more visible physical shifting results?

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Is it possible to have lighter builds of the titles? For those who get really bad FOMO when working towards 15 minutes with the microloop strategy, and they don’t have problem with reconciling the subject matter, it’s just that 15 minutes of Zero Point Standard creates a lot of fatigue for some. So I think lighter builds where thr user can listen to all the scripting but with less repetitions(if even there’s such a thing) would be wonderful. All the concepts of the title, but hitting less deeper with each full listen. I just get fatigue. It’s wodnerful at least for me, don’t know about others though.

Fatigue sounds like a recon symptom too.

Also they are going to say no, this is what the microloop strategy is for, and FOMO from “not getting the full script” has been debunked by them at length multiple times.

Someone with more dedication than me can hopefully link to those posts.

I do understand how you feel, you don’t want to miss anything potentially game changing by not listening to the full 15 min, but I can tell you that there are many on this forum (myself included) getting spectacular results and we haven’t listened to any loop longer than 1-2 minutes in months now.

Trust the process.

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Is this the custom containing 6 full physical shifting cores? If so the fatigue shouldn’t be surprising, even with microloops.

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Thank you for reminding me of this, it’s reassuring.
You’re right.

No, I said the “titles” not custom builds, I’m not that dumb to run a 7 core custom and complaint about reconciliation.

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First few times listening to LoTS I was totally wiped out. But at that time I wasn’t doing the microloops thing. Microloops are the best strategy to help you with fatigue. Go back to even 10 seconds to start.

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I’ll be doing that with my physical shifting custom of mine which is super dense and forever.

With Khan, WB and Alchemist, I will keep the full loops but with long washouts.

One question though, just to confirm, so the fatigue and reconciliation from physical shifting titles will eventually fade when one progresses throughout the microloop strategy.

I might as well go with microloop strategy with all my titles.

Even so this custom will cause fatigue. Any other titles you run alongside will only add to that.

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Yes but I distinctly know it’s from Khan+WB. It’s fine, I listened to two full loops, esch from two of the most difficult and seemingly contradictory titles, especially with WB’s physical shifting. So no wonder about the reconciliation. I should probably just listen to them every 5-6 days and with Alchemist and my physical shifting custom with microloops. I have some full loops of ALST4 under my belt in the past 1 month, so I’ll microloop that along my physical shifting custom.
Seems like I’m derailing this thread but 1 last question from @SaintSovereign, if I’m able to integrate KhanST4 and WB really seamlessly together, then one won’t dilute the other when listened to on separate days, would you aggree?

I have this idea that if I listen to Khan today without WB, then it’ll dilute the WB results I got till now and the same with listening to WB without Khan on another day, so it’d create some kind of inconsistency in my social behavior. Maybe it’s just overthinking. One thing is for sure, they’re really flowing seamlessly.

Nah, you’re fine.

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Custom or not this is your problem. 2 multi-stage and an artisan is not going to work out well for 99% of people here.

It’s trying to accomplish too much, not in the same direction, at the same time- and it sounds like there’s a custom on top of that with physical shifting?

“You can have it all, but you can’t have it all at once”

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It’s not a problem in the serious way you’re putting it, there’s some fatigue, but it’s ok as long as it’s for 1-2 days, despite them getting easier to run and the reconciliation fading over time. Still, a lighter build would be appreciated, but I’m ok either way.

Don’t know about that, don’t agree or disagree, tough stack for sure Overall this is not an issue worth derailing this thread anymore, the reason I run full loops is that the level of fatigue on full loops is not dramatically different than 30 second loops, so might as well make the most out of that lethargic day and take like 10-15 rest days. Let’s not forget, not all users report on the forum and there was a time where one could listen to 2 full loops of the 1st ZP release in 1 day which was much harder to reconcile than the later builds. And those guidelines were based on the extensive tests that were done. So I think you’re sticking to this idea of less exposure too much and in a biased way.

It’s 3-4 standard zero point build titles intended to be run with long washouts. So I think I’m good, change isn’t going to happen overnight, it’s going to take some time and I’m ok with it. Hence I asked for a lighter build, but this build is fine, it’s not a lot of fatigue, but noticeable.

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Lighter builds won’t happen. Maintaining multiple versions means more work, more maintenance, more support calls and more confusion. it’s come up before.

Nah, they still champion less exposure. I had a support ticket last month where they encouraged 1-2 title stacks with my Dream Boy custom especially if along side Khan.

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This may sound super weird but for our sales folks here, anyone notice that your close rate is higher when having Wanted: Physical Shifting in a custom compared to without? It’s honestly mind bongling and I don’t understand how that’s possible.

Like people naturally love you (guys not girls) and want to work with you and doing sales calls is just effortless, fun and easy because they just love what your talking about and offering which makes it easy to get the deal. Same with corporate and social wise people generally seem to love you more, be around you more and basically do things/act in a way you want them to towards you.

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Let’s not jump into overconfident conclusions based on the limited data of our intellect.

Well, I don’t know what question you asked them, besides the support and qOS being more conservative about stack and exposure recommendations, maybe the support realized the need for you to be on low exposure based on your issue, and I wasn’t talking about recent recommendations. When ZP was released and was more difficult than the later versions to reconcile, there was full loops, and sometimes twice a day.

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You’re just confirming my SC conspiracy theory that WANTED is an extension of wealth (just a different face :slightly_smiling_face:).

Can’t wait till my WANTED custom comes online next cycle next to my Wealth custom :triumph:

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