Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

Oh shit sweet. Screenshot update :wink:

And dm update, Sorry if this is getting annoying.

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Still thinking RM in May/June…. ASR in July/Aug ?

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Any ETA on new Diamond?

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While I enjoy Summertime more and more after the each listening day since it was released, sub I most crave for is…
The Revelation of the Nectar Within: Peach edition

You naughty naughty boy lol

@SaintSovereign , isn’t this Khan ST4?

I think having both variants are good, because some people are simply able to handle the single stage variant and want all of the objectives without having to listen to multiple subs at the same time or sequentially. So I don’t know if anything wrong happened. You’re creating two products in a way, to let some people who are also interested in specific parts of HoM enjoy them. Another for those who are ready for a new product, and both are ok and needed.

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I think it only works in this specific case because it’s an upgrade to a title that was relatively easy to run before. It’s much harder to run now due to people requesting too much without realizing it’d increase its difficulty.

ASBR is an artisan title that’s marketed about being difficult to run. It’s literally in the disclaimer before you even get to the copy. There is no ā€œit should be a four stagerā€ because its identity is fundamentally a single stage title that is able to lead to such fast transformation. Any change in that makes it a different product.

Khan is marketed about being a four stage journey with four distinct phases. In what world should that make someone think ā€œI want to cram it all in a single loop NOWā€? Again, it fundamentally changes the identity of the product. Not to mention the logistics of needing to support an additional version or versions of the same product. The adaptive scripting is good, and should be utilized in an iterative, intelligent way. Not just to try and cram 50,000 words of the same title into someone’s head.

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Yes, I agree, in this specific case, a multistager of HoM is needed, because some people got incredible value from the connection building part of it. One other thing that makes me a little concerned with those people(haven’t read the C&C description but read this here and there, so take it with a grain of salt) is that this version of C&C also focuses on creating those connections also with gravity, rather than just actively making connection in a chosen like manner. OG HoM also had that gravity, but maybe it was more chosen like rather than being Emperor like. Someone wrote HoM is like chosen and EoG had a little child, that’s not true with the new HoM, it’s got more in line with Emperor line, doesn’t mean the title is not effective in achieving it’s objectives, maybe more than ever, but some might find it harder to utilize it. This analysis of mine is based on my very superficial info on the new C&C, I even haven’t read the product description yet, so don’t take it that serious.

No. It explicitly doesn’t have the healing from stage 1.

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Good point
Khan needs to be a multistager

Paragon Sleep may quietly become one of the most important titles in the catalog. I’m suspecting that a run of Summertime + Paragon Sleep for a few months will enhance results across the board. No hype. Just doing my final analysis of the script and any emergent benefits from using it.

There’s scripting to deeply help the nervous system regenerate, heal and regulate while sleeping. Over time, this type of nervous system regulation and relaxation will be far more potent than the kind that occurs in waking time (since the system is being taxed simply by being out in the world, while the script tries to help you mitigate those effects). When you’re asleep, however – something different occurs. There’s nothing to counteract that regulated state, and thus the sleep truly becomes restorative and healing.

Since Paragon Sleep helps you reorient your very relationship to sleep (the copy will explain more), this isn’t a title that functions as a sleep aid. You’ll probably start seeing light benefits immediately, followed by deep restorative sleep after a few weeks (depending on your current sleep habits – mine are terrible, it’s going to take a bit for myself).

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you can’t just say this before dropping the most hype info

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Nah man, this is hype:

The Deep Sleeper’s Identity

Rewrites the foundational story you carry about yourself and sleep. Rather than approaching each night as a potential failure, you begin to inhabit the identity of someone who sleeps deeply and naturally. This is a genuine shift in self-concept that reshapes your expectations, your approach to the pillow, and the quiet confidence with which you meet the night.

In daily life, this shows as the absence of sleep anxiety. You stop bracing for bad nights, stop telling yourself (and others) that you’re ā€œnot a good sleeper,ā€ and begin moving through your evenings with the easy certainty of someone who trusts their body to do what it has always known how to do.

The Surrender Paradox

Develops the counterintuitive skill of falling asleep through release rather than effort. You learn that sleep is the one domain where trying harder produces worse results, and that the art of not-trying — of surrendering into rest rather than pursuing it — is the master key.

This is perhaps the most profound shift Paragon Sleep cultivates. The moment you stop chasing sleep and start allowing it, the door that effort kept closed swings open. And it stays open, night after night, because you have learned the art of getting out of your own way.

Parasympathetic Depth

Builds vagal tone and nervous system flexibility at a foundational level. The capacity for deep, restorative calm grows over time — not as a permanent state, but as an accessible depth you can reach when needed. Your nervous system becomes more capable, more responsive, more resilient.

In your life, this supports everything beyond sleep — emotional regulation, stress recovery, presence, and the ability to shift gears between intensity and rest with increasing ease. The depth you build at night carries into the day.

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Title hopping is not just recon sometimes its Saint Hyping titles :rofl:

Gonna have to keep this one as FOMO…

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Will Revelation of Dreams get this update since it has the current scripting within it?

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My work stack is currently Summertime,
Paragon Sleep, and Hero:Earth.

Even with current paragon sleep, my sleep has drastically improved the past couple of weeks.

For years I’ve had trouble staying asleep, needing to take a 50mg gravol to get back to sleep especially if I get up to pee. Even on vacation last month this was the case.

I’ve since been able to get back to sleep unassisted since adopting this stack for work nights. Even at 6 hours I still get good deep and rem sleep durations. I’m convinced Summertime has already boosted the results of Paragon Sleep to an unprecedented degree!

Working night shift next week for the first time in over a year. That will be the real test.

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so,how does it pair with spiritual title/s ? :grinning:

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@SaintSovereign will Paragon Sleep also help us change our sleep timing? E.G. instead of falling into sleep procrastination every night and waiting till 2AM to go to bed, we can actually shift our schedule to going to bed at 10-11PM.

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Same!

That’s the one time of the day, I never got a proper grip on, no matter what I tried.

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I don’t know why I am in this post, but I don’t like it!
Jokes aside,
This looks awesome!

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Would this help if I frequently end up curled up like a shrimp with a really tense body? I swear sleep does the opposite for me sometimes and I’ve caught glimpses of me having anxiety while in deep sleep and semi conscious.

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