Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 1)

[Kalimero]

@Simon

With a single title, you can never be certain that you’re a Hard Gainer.

“What if – for whatever reason – that specific subliminal has no discernable effects on you?”

Isn’t that the very definition of “hard gainer” though? This is the definition Saint wrote in the ZP listening instruction thread:

“First, when we say a hard gainer experiences nothing, we mean absolutely nothing. If you experience fatigue after listening to a ZP title, you’re not a hard gainer, that’s a result indicating that your subconscious is indeed processing the script.”

I’m interested in the goals of Diamond. I’m currently NOT interested in the goals of SpartanZP, but you’re saying I should run that to get the goals of Diamond? I’m not sure I’m understanding you correctly…

@Simon

Without using other files, how will you know, if your response is similarly absent on everything else?

This is why I kept the “fatigue, headache, sleepiness, etc.” part in my quote;
and Saint told you:

@SaintSovereign

If you’re experiencing recon, you’re not a hard gainer.

I’m not here to evaluate the effects of subliminals in general or to prove or disprove their effects. I just want improvements in the size/stamina/EQ department down there… That’s why I wasn’t really thinking of the possibility of my response being absent in general.

As for Saint’s response, I agree, it’s just not the situation. If I had recon I’d know to take it easy for a while, do a washout, lower exposure etc. But at the moment I’m just not having any effect/reaction to DiamondZP and I’m looking to solve that, and that’s what the hard gainer protocol was supposed to do, no?

Anyway, following @Malkuth’s recommendation, I’ll post a support ticket and update if there is any news. The reason for posting on this thread was less about fixing my own issue than understanding if hard gainers are supposed to do the 5 day washout as well or keep going, as that could be relevant to other people running ZP titles.

I appreciate the feedback guys!

[Brandon]

Would love this. I’ve been dreaming so much but never remember them by the time I wake up and I know for a fact I was dreaming about the guy I’m trying to manifest back into my life last night but no idea what it was about.

[sid]

I have the same challenge with zp . When I play 2 loops back to back . But when I play 1 loop I can remember part of my dreams not all of them . I think this is proplem because of the heavy processing of the zp titles . Not a proplem of script . I said before when I played qv2 back to back I can remember my dreams easily .

[DarkPhilosopher]

@Simon

Alchemist ZP will be interesting.

@Malkuth

I want Dragon Reborn ZP.

@James

And EOG ZP

@Lion

I might as well ask for Khan ZP while we are at it.

Pointless, I want 3301 ZP.

Wait, did I say that out loud? Again, really!? I should really stop doing that.

You are dreaming. The above two lines are but a dream.

Speaking of dreams…

Lucid Dreaming 101:

How to recognize that you are dreaming: find the parts of your dreams which can not possibly ever by even the wildest stretch of imagination occur in reality.

For example:

@RockyHandsome

@DarkPhilosopher puts his head down in submission.

'nuff said.

There, changed the topic. Phew!

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I have an interesting question for @SaintSovereign. Well, I think it is interesting anyways.

In the atypical gainers instructions it states:
“Since hard gainers have developed mental faculties to reject any and all subliminal programming (at least using the delivery method we use), listening to the same title over and over can result in the subconscious ignoring it even more.”

and

“You will run one loop per day of a single title, every day. If your stack consists of three titles, you alternate each day.”

Now given that information, I wonder if the subs that are in rotation should still be part of the same topic, of if they could be (or if there’s benefit to the being) completely different.

So, running a healing sub on day 1, a wealth sub on day 2, a seduction on day 3 for example.

Could that actually work in favor of the protocol since the scripts are expected to be quite different from one another, or is it detrimental as the listener is focused on too many things at the time (like the old school Mother of All Stacks)?

It makes me think I could do (for example) wealth and spirituality together as long as they don’t run on the same day.

[Lion]

For those who want to check out the list of Zero Point Preview titles in the main store (only PSIT is missing in the list):

https://www.subliminalclub.com/product-category/zero-point/

[Lion]

Anyone observing effects of Zero Point titles through social media / video chats / phone calls / people remembering you and messaging you / etc?

Basically long range seduction / career / money / social / status / etc benefits?

[Fractal_Explorer]

Nothing yet, but that’s because im running Paragon ZP which is very internally focused. Fully anticipating this for wanted zp though.

[RockyHandsome]

Not me @Lion i guess these things might take longer for me to manifest.

[SaintSovereign]

@Trader

I’m predicting that whatever happens will happen when it happens and couldn’t happen any other way

“How do you know?”
“We are still alive.”

Sigh. What could’ve been.

[SaintSovereign]

@Kaprice

I agree with your amazing product images and descriptions. But I disagree about the website. I find it slow and a bit awkward to use – esp the Q store. I buy in spite of the website not because of it.

Lol, it’s laid out like any other basic e-commerce site. Picture on the left. Short summary on the right. Buy button. Long descriptive text beneath that.

Sometimes it’s better not to try and innovate things that don’t need it.

[openmind]

@lrw

I have noticed better verbal skills since I started using Chosen. I also noticed this when I tried Limitless Qv2, I only ran the sub twice. I don’t know about you, but reading books always improves my communication.

Cool, thanks for the info. Chosen is going to be my main sub so that’s good to know.

@lovage

I can vouch for Stark.

@GoldenTiger

I can start by saying that Stark is the king of verbal fluency. You will pull out some sentences and expression while talking… Like where does it comes from? I don’t know, but it’s amazing!

Also, all the seduction subs based around sex and seduction (including primal seduction), will help you with persuasion, sales (and of course, seduction)… Which in terms will help you communicate your ideas better!

Thanks, I was looking at Stark a while back and I’ll definitely consider that, it sounds like the boost I need but because the description sounded so unlike me, I worried about recon. I think that’s why I decided against it originally.

If I can’t figure something out in time, there’s always the option to do a cycle of Chosen solo and then look at adding on for other areas.

[Deadpool]

If I may one thing regarding boxes.
Every box picture is very nice made except Sex and seduction.

The sensual lips are great there is no problem. The problem in my opinion is that white background together with those small lips.
It looks somehow empty like someone has started doing it and at some point just stopped.

Edit: I would add at least Red background to just highlight a sexual theme.

[openmind]

Also, I had some wild dreams last night. Currently on day 2 of wash out.

[SaintSovereign]

@Kalimero

Currently not noticing any changes.

PM me. I’m going to have you try the 1 hour long version the from the private test. You can’t stack with this version, though.

[SaintSovereign]

@Deadpool

Every box picture is very nice made except Sex and seduction.

That box is like three years old, man. Lol. We’ll update it eventually.

[SaintSovereign]

@DarkPhilosopher

Now given that information, I wonder if the subs that are in rotation should still be part of the same topic, of if they could be (or if there’s benefit to the being) completely different.

Honestly, it probably doesn’t matter. We’re just trying to “shock” the subconscious into acknowledging the sub by responding with recon (or a result), and then you consciously hijack the process by recognizing that it’a a result. Over time, you may be able to chip away at that stone wall you’ve built.

[RockyHandsome]

Stark Terminus for me was an absolute game changer…

Seriously you can verbally demolish anyone…

[RockyHandsome]

Hi Saint can you please perhaps share a hint on the next ZP to be rolled out ? ahahaha.

[friday]

@RockyHandsome

Hi Saint can you please perhaps share a hint on the next ZP to be rolled out ? ahahaha.

It is going to be Libertine most likely

[James]

If i wasn’t in the middle of a washout I would seriously consider running that.