Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 1)

[Kalimero]

@Malkuth

@Kalimero Are you sure that you’ve listened long enough to establish that you’re truly having 0 response to the subliminals?

Particularly since you’re using Spartan, you have a very objective and controllable standard for evaluating whether you’re getting results or not. You can literally compare your strength, power, and physical gains before and after introducing the subliminal.

If you see any improvements even if you didn’t feel anything in particular, you do not need to use this special protocol. People feel different things with subliminals, and some people don’t feel much of anything at all.

I’m actually using Diamond only, I was offering Spartan as an option to add to my stack because the hard gainer protocol is targeted at people using multiple titles. But I’m currently only interested in the goals of Diamond so that’s where my issue came up from. Should I add Spartan even though I’m currently not aligned with those goals just because I can then use the hard gainer protocol…?

Using Diamond as well I should have pretty objective standards. I’m looking at erection quality, quantity, size, how much control I have regarding when to orgasm, how much enjoyment I am feeling, level of passion, comments or engagement by my SO and any difference during masturbation. Currently not noticing any changes. I’ve used the Diamond QV2/UV2 version since about May progressing with the updated listening instructions when they came out (and taking action in the forms of having regular sex, masterbation and PE), and switched to the ZP version when the public test started. I’m hoping something is happening deep inside but results have yet to appear in the parameters I’m looking at which I detailed above. Since I haven’t seen changes in those, haven’t had any changes in dreams, haven’t had reconcilation that I can speak of, I think this matches what was described as hard gainer… But if there’s anything else I should do I’m all ears!

[Kalimero]

@SaintSovereign

@Kalimero

Seems to be that using an additional sub in ZP (I have Spartan) when I am not interested in its effects could potentially cause more resistance not less… But I could try it.

If you’re experiencing recon, you’re not a hard gainer.

I haven’t been experiencing it, not during my 6 months running DiamondUv2, not during the regular protocol of DiamondQZP (2 loops every other day) and not on the hard gainer protocol (1 loop every day, mistakenly using only Diamond which contains the goals I am interesting in striving for).

My question was if I currently don’t react to the sub (or at least don’t notice reactions) do I still need to go through the 5 day washout or should I keep going until something changes or I get dreams or something like that as a signal that something is moving and THEN take the break for the bloom?

Also, is there a hard gainer protocol for people focusing on only 1 ZP title?

Thanks!

[James]

First day with my wash out and I am bored out of my mind and irritable.

[GoldenTiger]

When you mean first day washout, is it the rest day in the regular listening period of the second rest day, which would make it officially the first day of the washout.

[James]

I started mine a day later than everyone else so I’m not running anything now until at least Sunday

[Kaprice]

@SaintSovereign

What they’re actually complaining about is our nicer website and product boxes.

I agree with your amazing product images and descriptions. But I disagree about the website. I find it slow and a bit awkward to use – esp the Q store. I buy in spite of the website not because of it.

Just my personal feedback. Not a complaint at all.

[Kaprice]

@Kalimero

But if there’s anything else I should do I’m all ears!

Well that’s the problem then. Diamond is about improving dick size, not ears!

[James]

I just had the weirdest thought. What if someone who works in an office took a subliminal literally. Say they work in Accounts Receivable and decide they want to conquer Human Resources or invade the Cafeteria after running Emperor?

[Trader]

Shit would never be the same.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Im running wanted zp soon and my work revolves around a help desk. I hope the frequency of direct messages swerving the ticketing system doesn’t increase…

[GoldenTiger]

I think Wanted manifest more romantic interest, increased attention from people is a side effect of being attractive.

I don’t believe you will have some increased numbers of tickets, except if they are from a bunch of wanton customers

[Malkuth]

@Kalimero

I’m actually using Diamond only, I was offering Spartan as an option to add to my stack because the hard gainer protocol is targeted at people using multiple titles. But I’m currently only interested in the goals of Diamond so that’s where my issue came up from. Should I add Spartan even though I’m currently not aligned with those goals just because I can then use the hard gainer protocol…?

Using Diamond as well I should have pretty objective standards. I’m looking at erection quality, quantity, size, how much control I have regarding when to orgasm, how much enjoyment I am feeling, level of passion, comments or engagement by my SO and any difference during masturbation. Currently not noticing any changes. I’ve used the Diamond QV2/UV2 version since about May progressing with the updated listening instructions when they came out (and taking action in the forms of having regular sex, masterbation and PE), and switched to the ZP version when the public test started. I’m hoping something is happening deep inside but results have yet to appear in the parameters I’m looking at which I detailed above. Since I haven’t seen changes in those, haven’t had any changes in dreams, haven’t had reconcilation that I can speak of, I think this matches what was described as hard gainer… But if there’s anything else I should do I’m all ears!

Got it. I’ll reply to this over at the Diamond ZP topic to continue the conversation and so the feedback you get can be more relevant to your priorities.

[Lion]

@Kalimero

is there a hard gainer protocol for people focusing on only 1 ZP title?

Play one loop (two loops is also fine) of that single ZP title every day until you notice reconciliation or results or dreams, etc.

[Seeker]

@Kalimero

Also, is there a hard gainer protocol for people focusing on only 1 ZP title?

Here’s a support article that includes a hard gainer protocol for a single ZP title.

[GoldenTiger]

I think if you are a hard gainer you need to grab multiple titles! Alternating diamond with sex mastery and libertine for example (or PS)…

[Azriel]

Can ZP be run with Q store titles and customs/ (not QV2) ?

[SubliminalUser]

I’m really hoping for a Christmas drop, otherwise I may have to reconsider what my first stack of next year will be.

[Melior]

Is it normal that I’m more scared than ever to read negative results for ZP ?
I’m afraid it’ll ruin my wining streak, I’m dodging them as bad as I can

I didn’t had that feeling previously on Qv2…
I just didn’t care but now as soon as I read a few words that have a negative tendency I go “blahblahblah let’s go somewhere else !”

[openmind]

What sub do you guys reckon would help improve verbal communication? It feels like a disconnect between my brain and my words at times, or I just can’t think of anything to reply with. I don’t think it’s an anxiety thing because it happens too when my kids talk to me. I was thinking limitless, but I could not find much information with the search button other than someone saying beyond limitless helped them in this area.

[Trader]

@openmind

I could not find much information with the search button other than someone saying beyond limitless helped them in this area.

THIS is the kind of shit I appreciate right there! People who search and tell us what they searched/found. You just won the forum in my opinion.

As for your question, Limitless or QL is what I’d consider. Stacked with something like True Social or SS should help lock in whatever verbal fluency TS and/or SS add to the mix.