Would that indicate a potential unspoken limit threshold slightly higher than 2 loops every other day ?
Well that would be cool but don’t worry Imma stick to the recommandation as long as nothing is becoming official as for the numbers of loops
so no stress
People here are free to run outside of recommendations, just don’t post about it or act like it should be the main thing. (I’ll be honest: I recently experimented with a pattern that did give results, but I won’t write much about it here).
And also DM Saint if you have interesting experiences on alternate patterns like the 8 loops guy. That could give them more data. However once again this is a risk that the user takes so when there’s great recon that user needs to understand that they have to take responsibility there.
The thing most people don’t realize is that when we tested the longer versions (they were an hour long), there actually was some recon, like head pressure and headaches, feeling a bit dazed, or the other recon I faced where one day I felt like a complete worthless pile of dirt, or the big one: feeling like I’m wearing someone else’s face and body.
Those things aren’t as easy to deal with without a strong mind. Yes, I know a lot of people here are going to say “yea I can handle it”, but many of the testers were “seasoned” sub users (don’t know if that’s how you say it 
), meaning that they hd enough experience and maturity to take care of themselves and not go ham with the loops.
Take me for example, I haven’t shared this here but I have been contacted by many people both on the forum and on discord (someone from the forum apparently shared it) and some of them have asked for the experimental test files, all because they want the same kind of results, and when I declined, they kept begging me to tell them how many loops to run to get the same results (one guy mentioned he would do 4 loops of WZP to make it an hour, so he can get the same results).
This is exactly why I support Saint’s decision with walling off ZP to anyone who doesn’t follow instructions, some people will act like they can get away with it, but from someone who has experienced ZP in its early and powerful stages, I’ll just say this: prepare for trouble, and make it double.
Bro we both know it’s not a good idea at all 
I had some inspiration from another experimenter. It’s great. Now what I’m going to do is A/B test it against the classic recommended pattern.
Please read this everyone. In the initial versions of WANTED ZP I experienced some really terrible stuff, such as being angry at everything and not wanting to see anyone. Also my balls got sore a few times haha.
It’s unbelievable how much SC improved the ZP build in a matter of two months.
Wonderful post, Saint. This particular part also fits me to a T as a fellow INTP. Looking forward to overcoming this.
And I almost broke up with my girlfriend, and fought with my family.
So guys, if not for your own sake, then think of the ones you love.
Well for now I like to see how far I can go with the recommandation but as soon as I get some green flag from Saint or Fire, I might think after 1-2 cycle go to 3 loops every other day or even 4 after some time
I think my spiritual hellish experiences have helped me build some really good defense against self destruction? imma still not play with the devil tho, and those will probably will be slow increment.
gotta go slow to go further than fastly nowhere and lost
also I might decide to stay fully at 2 loops every other day, it’s probably the addiction to listen to more that is talking, because every rest day I’m like : “aaahhh I really want those loops” ahahaha I’m a sub addict
This. Couldn’t have expressed this better. I got this from CHOSEN the first time I ran it. It’s like starting anew, with no preconceived notions or baggage slowing me down. Just positive expectations from life and everyone around me.
You can submit a support ticket.
Haha, you’re so dramatic. 
The Recon on the test for some versions one hour etc was tough shit, imagine waking up with a blank mind, making continuous errors, if someone asks you for a bowl and you give them a glass, spell your name wrong, go completely blank, just cant be bothered to do anything, and on top of that when people are depending on you.
I would follow the instructions by Saint and take it very seriously.
Well this one is weird. I was running paragon zp a few minutes ago. Went into another relaxed trance state. Then I just had images of people like I was a spectator watching a crowd. No idea who these people were, they weren’t anyone I know in my life. And then it was weird because they’d be moving normal pace, after a few seconds it’s like someone hit fast forward on a video and I’d land on a different group.
I’m familiar with hypnagogic type hallucinations but this one was a bizarre experience.
Bruhhhhhhhhhhh Recon is real here.
nah, just giving advice so that maybe one day you can get results as good as mine 
I think you should be awarded the “Cocky Invictus” badge:joy:
Haha, no. My results are superior to yours. You merely get girls.
You know what I get? The literal respect and obedience of other men. Maybe get at this level, then talk.
is that why you had to run 8 loops 
Naah lmao, this is speaking strictly from emperor & khan. Good try tho.