Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

Define ‘Thought’.

Place it into biophysiological context.

And then, I believe, it will be clear that they could no more “stop” than could respiration.

They don’t need to stop; you just need to feel as though they’ve stopped.

(My strict definition of ‘thought’ is ‘neurological propagation and activity’.)

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gotcha and very interesting because Im inclined to disagree…and that’s because I"m coming from an existential standpoint…

I was defining thought as “anything my mind does in the present”…and that can definitely stop.

the subjective internal dialogue can definitely be silenced…totally

Right.

Within a phenomenological paradigm, ‘thought’ can and does stop. From a literal biological standpoint it only ‘seems’ to stop.

This is because a phenomenological perspective stresses the subjective perception rather than the objective process.

Similarly, if your task is to track surface-level topographical features, and you’re following a river, and the river becomes subterranean, then it is accurate to say that ‘the river disappears’ because we are not including sub-surface phenomena in our geographical account.

‘Thought’ is same. We, for reasons of tradition and common practice, categorize some sub-forms of neural/mental activity as ‘thought’ and other forms of neural/mental activity in other ways. We also define the boundaries of thought’s existence as formed by the limits of subjective awareness. So if mental activity goes outside of the bounds of awareness or occurs outside of those conventionally-defined forms of activity, we say that it has ‘stopped’. And that is okay.

From my perspective (because I do not subscribe to those conventions of categorizing mental activity), if your heart is beating in rhythm, then your autonomic nervous system is ‘thinking’.

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We are very biologically instictual in preferences, top genetics generate most attraction and positive internal state follows/gets programmed by positive feedback.
Resources, status also plays a role but i would say a secondary one to genetics.
Also a potent attraction drive is fulfillment of psychological shadow cravings which i excel at, very much not in favour of leading with resources .

Will be exciting to see how new wanted plays out and which attraction factors it amplifies.

gotcha…what you say makes perfect sense…however when it comes to meditation I think we as humans are too smart for our own good and get lost in all these concepts/definitions…

the essence of zen/meditation is to keep it simple…watch thought until you see it isn’t you…fulfillment is.

Mastery(awareness) over our subjective existential experiences is what humanity needs more then accurate inventories of objective processes rn …

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I say we need both.

Complexity does not automatically result in becoming lost.

But if the above makes you feel lost, you’re wise to keep it arm’s length. I personally find it grounding.

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I think the next season may be starting soon as saint has spoken in 24 hours now

Well i hope anyways

Yogas citta-vrtti-nirodhah.- Yoga (and “meditation”) is the stopping/suppression/inhibition of the modifications of the Citta.

Then we come to the word Citta. This word is derived from Cit or Citi (IV-34) one of the three aspects of Paramdtma called Sat-Cit-Ananda in Vedanta. It is this aspect which is at the basis of the form side of the Universe and through which it is created. The reflection of this aspect in the individual soul which is a microcosm is called Citta. Citta is thus that instrument or medium through which the Jivatma materializes his individual world, lives and evolves in the world until he has become perfected and united with the Paramatma. Broadly, therefore, Citta corresponds to ‘mind’ of modern psychology but it has a more comprehensive import and field for functioning. While Citta may be considered as a universal medium through which consciousness functions on all the planes of the manifested Universe, the ‘mind’ of modern psychology is confined to the expression of only thought, volition and feeling.
– From I.K. Taimni’s commentary on Patanjali’s sutras.

In other words, what we normally think of as thought or the movements of the mind is not the real or only object of the process and it can go much further than that (and should).

Why do you think yogis learn to control their heart rate, breathing, all of their body functions?

Also nirodha can also mean to control, so in some instances it may not be stopped but regulated (but may be stopped).

So yes, they can stop, just like respiration (but may not need to).

Of course, in most peoples experiences of meditation, they never reach this level.

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Am familiar

Valid point

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We’ll probably get that announcement soon!

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We can only hope

It’s possible

If Season 3 ended June 17th with
Spartan: Beast Unleashed

Maybe the break is nearing it’s end

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I’m expecting an announcement this week or next week. Not necessarly a release.

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I heard through the grapevine that they are kicking off this season with a banger.

Code Name Eldritch Truth

It’s a 20 stage super subliminal that seeks to help users:

Shed their mortal weakness, and ascend to The Great Old Ones.

Several of the testers have sunk into utter madness. Rambling names with no known human linguistic roots.

A linguist theorized it might have been “tounges” an ancient hysterical language of prophets and holy men.

The linguist has since taken a “leave of absence.”

Only two candidates showed promise, both vanished–leaving behind scattered scribblings in indescribable symbols, their whereabouts are unknown.

People at HQ have reported “hearing voices in the walls” following the disappearances.

Prior to their departure, their eyes began to take on a faint glow.

It was described as “eyes that glimmered like sweet starlight.”

Disclaimer: this is all clearly a joke inspired by Bloodborne

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Looks like we gotta level up our insight for this Sub

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Verily, hast thou prevailed against the dread Malenia, Blade of Miquella? If thy sword hath not sundered her unyielding flesh and thy spirit groans beneath her wrath, then know this: thou art unworthy to use this title. Go back, strengthen thy resolve, gird thine armor with patience, and return when thou hast conquered that fearsome maiden, that thou mayest stand triumphant and worthy in thine own right.

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Looks like Imma have to use “Let Me Solo Her” ZP (IYKYK) to take on this Malenia, then I will be worthy of this title.

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Just got a crazy idea for a new core: " New Art of Happiness & Joy Experience Core " hear me out

If we were to currently combine Genesis: The Art of Happiness and Joy + New wealth Experience Core. the result will produce a title that ensures working on & achieving AOH’s goals will result into experiences that leads the user to wealth.

  • Living life, learning to be happier = experiences that generates and/or leads to wealth

Now what if we combine say Genesis: Mogul + New Art of Happiness & Joy Experience Core. This produces a powerful title that ensures working towards & achieving Mogul’s goals leads to ever increasing happiness & joy, hypothetically producing a Mogul with free flow factor…

  • Mogul + New AoH Core = Working, building and studying wealth leads to positive experiences producing the ultimate flow factor! Taking action in any capacity with Mogul will not only result to progress but make damn sure it feels amazing

  • Primal + New AoH Core = Every step when it comes to socializing, seduction & breaking free will ensure it feels great. Progress becomes addicting. Taking action becomes the reward itself

  • Limitless + New AoH Core = Learning, Studying and thinking becomes fun and fulfils the user with joy! No longer will the reward of the effort come at the finish line be it finishing an exam, finally making progress when learning something new etc

  • DRR/Phoenix/Total Breakdown + New AoH Core = This will most likely be the biggest one! Imagine good ol recon replaced by " Ecstasy of Reconciliation "!! Nuff said

Furthermore, this will unlock a new dimension for custom subs & name embedded majors! AoH scripting has been included ever since it’s title was released! Having an NSE core for it will pretty much change the whole game!

By far, the greatest metric of measuring success is the level of mastery over long term gratification + enduring-to-enjoying the journey! What if each step, each setback, each amount of progress visible or not leads to happiness & joy?

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Season 4/Hero 8 Stager Sneak Peak:

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What sorcery is this ?

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Indeed my friend, what sorcery is this!

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