Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

[Adi]

I don’t mind sharing knowledge but I think its best done in person, there is a certain transmission that happens when you are in person where the exchange of mental ideas just totally click even if you are not listening to the words at all.

Online you only get the words so too much gets lost in the communication, and you read something and think he or she is saying thus or so which may not be accurate. Then the misunderstandings and discussions starts and everyones time is wasted.

I hate to waste time online and write long posts with someone closing their phone feeling bad or frustrated. None wants that. My will is to see everyone happy.

@SoulFire

I’m pointing this stuff because I care about this subject and don’t want people reading it mislead or misinterpreting things but also because I feel a strong kinship with you and your journey and I think healthy reflection helps everyone.

@SoulFire I saw where you were coming from. It is totally considerate of you.

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[emperor_obewan]

@Adi

Online you only get the words so too much gets lost in the communication, and you read something and think he or she is saying thus or so which may not be accurate. Then the misunderstandings and discussions starts and everyones time is wasted.

I think it depends on the way you process information.

For me, my experience of talking to someone in person versus speaking on a forum or in some social media app, there are marked differences between the two which I realise now is due to which senses are more primary to me. As a result, expressing in writing and having a verbal/auditory and rational monologue with yourself occurs, and any visual concepts are usually duller than the inner monologue, unless I’m getting really creative. In contrast, when speaking to someone face to face, or on the phone, additional cues flood the system - visual especially, or vocal subtones etc. This then dulls the facilities ordinarily used to respond to a forum post or answer an email. The switching is hard to master due to the high throughput of information processed in a more direct communication setting. So as a result, trying to engage the same thought processes while also focusing on the non verbal cues being processed, the thought process is slower.

When I am on a forum or on the computer in general, my focus is on the computer 100%, however other people may find the environment takes more of their awareness away so their thought processes are clearer in some other environment. But for me, oddly enough I find using digital mediums one of the best ways to really get a head around certain subject matters and engage in deep contemplative structured thought.

I only mention this because it’s worth pointing out that what is the optimal method for knowledge transfer is going to depend on a lot of factors and one size definitely does not fit all. And some of the sentiments expressed suggest some recon going on expectation of future interactions to go the same way prior ones are perceived to have gone, etc… and all I would say is have a little more confidence in your own ability to write (and read)

[Malkuth]

@Sub.Zero

Thanks. I failed to make it clear that the point is that Stanford research confirms that belief itself can rewire the body in real time. Good point.

It’s a bit more than that.

Actual studies are published in journals and have sources that allow us to go and read the (sometimes boring) details.

[GoldenBird]

@Adi

Yes I also think the bhakti path is safest and most balanced way.

Note that what @emperor_obewan was pointing out is that traditionally, many Indian schools of philosophy have recognized that people have individual propensities and affinities towards different practices. Therefore, it is very difficult to generalize it like that.
If someone is overly intellectual to begin with, or has an overly developed “upper” faculties, they’d might not even have any sympathies for the bhakti approach, even if it might help them.
Karma, Bhakti, Raja Yogas and so on are most likely the outcome of recognizing the inborn differences between people. The same is true with the different aspects of deities given in places like India. It basically comes down to choosing what you resonate most with.

I suspect that even with subliminals here, the same approach holds true. Find something which you resonate with even just by reading the copy, and chances are that you’ll have an easy time working with it.

[Sub.Zero]

Yes, I’m waiting until they’ve made it available to the general public since it looks like it’s not on their website yet.

[Sub.Zero]

@GoldenBird

Thanks for making this important distinction. Unfortunately, while these type of studies do appear, materialism is so fundamental to modern Western society that they’ll find some way of rationalizing this back to the idea that the brain generates consciousness and that the death of the brain is also the end of an individual’s consciousness.

I don’t think it’s possible after the publication below.

I’ve recommended this book to SC already - Irreducible Mind

Current mainstream opinion in psychology, neuroscience & philosophy of mind holds that all aspects of mind & consciousness are generated by physical processes occurring in brains. Views of this sort have dominated recent scholarly publication. The present volume, however, demonstrates empirically that this reductive materialism isn’t only incomplete but false. The authors systematically marshal evidence for a variety of psychological phenomena that are extremely difficult, & in some cases clearly impossible, to account for in conventional physicalist terms. Topics addressed include phenomena of extreme psychophysical influence, memory, psychological automatisms & 2ndary personality, near-death experiences & allied phenomena, genius-level creativity, & mystical states of consciousness both spontaneous & drug-induced. The authors further show that these rogue phenomena are more readily accommodated by an alternative ‘transmission’ or ‘filter’ theory of mind/brain relations advanced over a century ago by a largely forgotten genius, F.W.H. Myers, & developed further by his friend & colleague Wm James. This theory, moreover, ratifies the commonsense conception of humans as causally effective conscious agents, & is fully compatible with leading-edge physics & neuroscience. The book should command the attention of all open-minded persons concerned with the still-unsolved mysteries of the mind.

It’s a great read.

[emperor_obewan]

I always found Fulxanelli’s retelling of the story of Saint Christopher (aka Offerus) to be one of the best examples of this principle in action.

Offerus is a big bulky dude, built like an outback steakhouse, and he likes to travel around, see the sights, but he wants to serve the biggest baddest most feared master of them all.

So he proceeds through the lesser to the greater bad guys until he finds out they’re scared of the Devil, and so he decides to serve the Devil, who just happens to rob stagecoaches. During his adventures with the Devil, he finds out that he himself is scared of you know who. So Offerus, not to be tied to any contract with the man downstairs, tells him where to go and heads off to find Christ.

He meets a hermit, who tells him that Christ is found through prayer, and fasting, and watching. Offerus says “is there no other way than these”? and then the hermit, understanding who he was dealing with, takes him to a river where he is essentially offered karma yoga - help all the pilgrims who come this way to get across this perilous river, and if you do this for Christ you will get what you seek.

The story then proceeds from there, ending with Offerus being christened Saint Christopher. It’s a story from a very early version of the Golden Legend.

The multiple ways of climbing the mountain seems to have at least crossed from India into Europe, but who really knows where it originated? But it does seem like something similar to the schools of Yoga for ordinary mystics did exist in the first couple of centuries AD and found its way into the later accounts of the lives of the saints.

[Adi]

Mm you have some interesting points. My strength has always been human connection and interaction in real life. The ways I have been capable of absorbing and learning information best is direct interaction.

Back in the day, in school, I never studied from the textbook my best way of learning the information was being interactive in the class and connecting with the teacher, by interacting and being fully with the class I was able to retain most knowledge. My grades where always very good for the classes where I had a liking for the teacher because through that connection I was able to absorb a lot of the knowledge directly from the interaction rather than peering through the textbooks.

Like how you mentioned earlier with the chakras, in the same way everyone has different inborn aptitudes that are more developed than others, but all can be developed by consciously working on them—you are right!

Revelation of Mind, if at some point I run it I will explore how my mind functions and how to perhaps develop it in different ways.

I was just talking to a German teacher the other day and she told me how she loves studying from books and we had this exact conversation. I never loved studying from books, it has always been a weakness of me to convert written information into the actual knowledge within my mind and make sense of it, retain it.

[SaintSovereign]

@emperor_obewan

Not Saint here, but I’m pretty sure I’m watching the same set of topics everyone else is, and I haven’t seen any majorly esoteric bent to the titles, nor has the order of upgrades really changed significantly for at least a month or two.

TLTB and AEON had been planned over years to provide an evolving direction for those running Hero or artisanal titles like KB/Alchemist, and took up one slot in a season, and have been used to gather information about how the anti-recon tech has been performing, along with testing the iterations along the road to ZPU. They were a little esoteric only because they are titles touching on advanced iterations of concepts that were already built up in earlier versions.

This. I concur.

[ryder004]

Do you practice Yoga by any chance?

I do want to try SKY and Kriya in the future, after some foundation with qi gong.

EDIT: NVM, saw that you do.

[Adi]

Never heard of SKY but I do do Kriya, it is so good!

I think you mean this? https://vethathiriskyyoga.com/

[Bobby]

I think the skill-based format would end up limiting RoS too much. Trying to limit the aspects of “spiritual development” into visible or appearance of skills that can be used for “spiritual development”. But of course, not everything about spiritual development would be about skills, or even visible skills.

I don’t mind having scripting to help develop skills, but it just seems like a title that’d be limited by the “skill-factors”.

Of course this can just be my preconceived idea of what a skills-based RoS would look like - but my first take is that RoS is better without that focus. It’s an exploration, or revelation - not an “developing title” (might better for Sage Immortal?)

[SoulFire]

I think that RoS could have a very short simple script and be very effective, since our spirit is what we already are, all there really needs to be is an opening or allowance to what is already present, a softening of identity or an opening within the identity, an opening to genuine change that is already knocking at the door but that certain limits doesnt let in.

I like the current RoS and I would love an even simpler and more universal spirit opening script if possible. Relaxation, letting go, more trust in oneself, opening to higher and deeper guiding nudges.

Scripting that could target 3 energy centers for optimum balance, root, heart and crown, so grounding scripting, joy love heart opening scripting and whatever might be crown opening which I feel RoS already has, and obviously solar plexus self esteem self trust scripting to have stronger energetic boundaries and protection and being able to act more decisively\instinctually on the inner guidance from spirit.

Basically a sub that helps strengthen different essential parts of the being for optimum alignement of the human self to receive and act upon higher\deeper Self guidance.

How about a new name, Revelation of Self.

Just throwing quick general ideas.

@SaintSovereign

[Sub.Zero]

It could involve some kind of intuitive and intentional regulation of the ‘filter’ between the brain and the mind, since that filter functions as the main ‘safety valve’ between the subconscious and the conscious, protecting our awareness from being overwhelmed by subliminal content that rises into it.

Tibetan monks achieve this through a special kind of meditation, kept secret, which they describe as creating ruptures in that filter (which they metaphorically call a ‘mattress’). Through these ruptures, subliminal content surfaces into consciousness. A friend of mine, who practices this meditation technique—what he calls ‘stabbing holes in the mattress’—told me about it just a few days ago.

These ruptures are temporary and small at first, but over time they grow larger and may even become permanent to some degree.

My friend and I have fascinating daily discussions about philosophy, psychology, and Buddhism, and I honestly believe QL has ‘manifested him for me.’ We’re both just English teachers at the same college in Thailand, lol.

I also believe this concept could be implemented in Zero Point technology as one of its cornerstones.

I’m not sure how feasable it would be, however.

[Judoka]

Man i had to sound impatient lol,my uni is starting again and the titles like Ascension or A Stark Reality would he perfect for it right now

[Sub.Zero]

Run GLM and Stark.instead.

[Judoka]

I only have space for 1 right now and stark seems like the best fit

[RockyHandsome]

@Sub.Zero

Thanks. I failed to make it clear that the point is that Stanford research confirms that belief itself can rewire the body in real time. Good point

Hi Sub Zero did you attend the Kundalini awakening seminar back in 2010 ?

[Sub.Zero]

@RockyHandsome

@Sub.Zero

Thanks. I failed to make it clear that the point is that Stanford research confirms that belief itself can rewire the body in real time. Good point

Hi Sub Zero did you attend the Kundalini awakening seminar back in 2010 ?

Not yet. How about you, mate?

[RockyHandsome]

@Sub.Zero

Not yet. How about you, mate?

yesh i did i saw guy who looked like you hence me asking.