Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

[Adi]

There is a girl I am very close to and we noticed when things happened within me it is also happening within her so a certain exchange was happening through our connection.

When I first ran GLM her entire chemistry matched the one of the program. I did not expose her directly but I believe there is some sort of subconscious exchange between us.

It is not just this part of the script you mentioned which I haven’t even noticed yet. And I notice this happening with other individuals as well. Mostly people who I am living with over a certain period of time. You know, where trust develops and a connection. Especially if they are sleeping in close proximity, the same house or as with this girl on occasions the same bed.

So it is an interesting thing I noticed. Not sure as to what the basis of this whole experience is but it is at the same time very undeniable for me.

Like the good old “you become the 5 people you surround yourself with”… energy, thoughts, emotions everything gets exchanged within the space. Especially if people become receptive through connections, trust and other forms of “openness”…

Over the years, I noticed in long-term relationships people would take on each others qualities and attitudes. So if I’m undergoing some inner alchemy it will for sure affect my girlfriend.

[Fractal_Explorer]

I’ve had this too. To the point where whatever recon I’m experiencing on a more emotional abstract level is sometimes voiced by someone else around me or enters the conversation. Like a weird sort of resonance, which makes me wonder if certain concepts have an energetic sort of fingerprint that’s more universal that others pick up on at a subconscious level and decode. My theory for myself at least is it’s auric spillover or something, not sure if it’s because internally things are amplified or if my energetic boundaries have holes in them. Or both maybe. Makes me feel like I’m a bit crazy though when it happens.

[SaintSovereign]

@Fractal_Explorer

I’ve had this too. To the point where whatever recon I’m experiencing on a more emotional abstract level is sometimes voiced by someone else around me or enters the conversation. Like a weird sort of resonance, which makes me wonder if certain concepts have an energetic sort of fingerprint that’s more universal that others pick up on at a subconscious level and decode. My theory for myself at least is it’s auric spillover or something, not sure if it’s because internally things are amplified or if my energetic boundaries have holes in them. Or both maybe. Makes me feel like I’m a bit crazy though when it happens.

I mean, we’ve talked about this before, lol. It’s not even a “subliminal audio” thing, but rather the natural aura of information that an individual produces. You’ve all had experiences where you enter a location and the “vibe” doesn’t sit well with you, as if you are unconsciously noticing the energetic landscape of the area and noticing how it makes you feel. The only difference now is that you are consciously paying attention to it.

Those who do Qigong or any other energetic practice that involves inner transformation will immediately notice that their presence seems to stabilize the area, or that people will perceive them as calmer, or wise, etc.

Science is now starting to catch up to the ancient traditions of the world has been saying all along: Scientific Papers on the Human Biofield (re: auras)

[Adi]

With Alchemist, I’ll transform the world then. My biofield will do Alchemy everywhere, turning bad vibes into good vibes and uplifting the people and energies around me into higher states of energy and peace.

[emperor_obewan]

That’s an interesting point and it’s one I hadn’t thought about a lot, but I just got done watching the start of an old lecture of Michio Kushi (founder of macrobiotics, and collaborator with George Ohsawa in Kervran inspired transmutation experiments) and the two topics do seem to share a common thread.

Looking over my own past experiences with lovers/partners and even close friends who I would call a “brother from another mother”, I can see examples of this in action both “good” and “bad”. Spiritual healers will often encounter similar kinds of problems of transference of problems from their patients, which is why it is so important to have a way to re-establish your own inner centeredness and groundedness in your own original being. Back then I didn’t do that, and ended up suffering some of the consequences of taking on other peoples sh*t. I still see it taking place in some respects with the friends I hang out with locally, in both directions, which is why aside from housemates I find prolonged meetings can be problematic unless the energy dynamics are managed in the right ways.

Appreciate people raising this. It’s one of those elephants in the room that everyone just thinks of as part of the furniture

[Malkuth]

@SaintSovereign

I mean, we’ve talked about this before, lol. It’s not even a “subliminal audio” thing, but rather the natural aura of information that an individual produces. You’ve all had experiences where you enter a location and the “vibe” doesn’t sit well with you, as if you are unconsciously noticing the energetic landscape of the area and noticing how it makes you feel. The only difference now is that you are consciously paying attention to it.

Exactly.

It would have been happening anyway. This is where we get chemistry and vibes and auras.

I remember being a young boy and visiting the countryside in rural Jamaica where my father had grown up. (Very, very poor.)

I remember that as I was walking down a quiet dirt road there was this dog, built kind of slenderly, like me. As soon as I saw it, we made eye contact. And I just liked him. And we were pretty much inseparable for the rest of that day. No physical touch. It didn’t jump on me. It didn’t even make any noise at all. We were just companions. When I sat somewhere, it would sit a little bit away. And I knew that I loved it.

We had a permeable energetic connection.

This is an expression of what we are.

Living beings immersed in and comprising fields.

Sometimes the resonance can get very high and subtle.

The attunement.

Natural.

[Realitysmith]

Yeah I think “bad vibes” comes from a group of people in an area (or a person with a strong biofield) thinking bad/negative thoughts. I think a lot of “bad vibes” have come about because of all the negative garbage people look at on the internet. If only they chose to start avoiding looking at negative things…

[Adi]

Yes hence why I want to become an Alchemist.

A person in modern personal development says, avoid negative and toxic people, cut them off and away with them.

A mystic and alchemist would say — transform them.

Your presence and way of being should become such an expression of mastery that you transform people and situations around you without even lifting a finger. You mere presence should do that. Outside situations, events, energies, thoughts, emotions and circumstances should not affect you, instead you should affect them.

This is true mastery and Alchemy in action.:.

Your awareness and mastery of your subjective reality (which directly interacts and influences objective reality) can transform situations and people very easily. But it requires you to to first transform the weakening passions and influences within yourself so that you gain control over your inner-world and not be controlled by it, and have the freedom to affect and control the outside creation as an extension or you.

[Tomcat]

I feel that new GLM+Alchemist could be great combo.

GLM greatly, positively influences people around.

[Malkuth]

@Realitysmith

Yeah I think “bad vibes” comes from a group of people in an area (or a person with a strong biofield) thinking bad/negative thoughts. I think a lot of “bad vibes” have come about because of all the negative garbage people look at on the internet. If only they chose to start avoiding looking at negative things…

I think that categorizing energy as ‘bad’ or ‘good’ is already a bit downstream.

There are more powerful places to stand.

And when your power increases enough to shift the energy in a particular context, it really does not look ‘good’ or ‘bad’ anymore.

Example:

You’re walking down the street, and you see a guy kind of stumbling and stomping towards you from the other direction. His eyes are unfocused, he’s saying a bunch of profanity and weird, vague conspiracy theory kinds of things. As he gets closer, his eyes focus a little bit more, and he balls up his fist, calls you some profane word, and throws a punch. You’re a busy person, and you are quick enough to dart past him, and you walk away. He says one more curse and then keeps walking.

Relatively at least, we can call that ‘Bad Energy’. ‘Bad vibes.’

Now, it’s 20 years later.

You have, during that time, mastered 3 forms of wrestling, fighting, and movement arts to the level where you are considered in the top 3% of people around. You did it for the love. You were playing different subliminals and at some point, you just got this strange inspiration to become a top-level mover/dancer/fighter. So you did. It brings you joy. And lots of interesting experiences.

One day, walking down the street, you see a very similar guy to the one from 20 years ago. This time, what you notice most is his horrible balance. His general lack of coordination and mental focus. You feel compassion and pity. As he gets closer, he throws yet another pitiful punch in your direction. You just step to the side a half-inch, and he misses you and falls down on his behind.

You help him up. He can’t make eye contact. He curses at you and starts crying.

Looking at you more closely, he wisely declines to throw anymore punches, and since you have a few minutes, you ask him his story. He’s in a pretty bad way; and you buy him a water and a sandwich from a nearby shop. You give him the card of a friend of yours who runs a dojo and a halfway house. “Show up there. He’ll help you out.”

Now, he’s crying again. But this time, he’s saying, ‘Thank you so much!’

You go by the dojo a month later, and see him in there. He looks better. He’s working it out.

From this perspective, if we asked you about his energy, you might say, ‘Unfocused. Chaotic. Weak.’

But not bad.

Part of what made it ‘bad energy’ in the first example was that you were threatened by it, due to your own lack of experience and skill. He actually had more capacity to harm you in that first case.

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Anyway, I think that vibes are vibes. Not necessarily good or bad. But they take on a particular value to us based on the level of our vibes.

So it’s good to refine our skills over time.

[SoulFire]

@Adi

you transform people and situations around you without even lifting a finger. You mere presence should do that

@Adi

have the freedom to affect and control the outside creation as an extension or you.

Good news is you are already an alchemist and you already do all this.

The reason you work on your inner limitations is not so you can do all this.

It’s so you become aware that you already have that much power and are already having this impact on reality, and secondly that the impact you’re having is coming from your core being of creation instead of conditioned bullshit programs.

[MAkh]

@Malkuth

Part of what made it ‘bad energy’ in the first example was that you were threatened by it, due to your own lack of experience and skill. He actually had more capacity to harm you in that first case.

I love your way of explaining things so much. Thanks for this, it was a good thing to wake up to and ponder about today…

[emperor_obewan]

I like the ideas presented in this post. I might even say some of those ideas / goals are similar to my own.

I feel like it’s worthwhile mentioning though that the term Alchemist might not be the best one for what you’re referring to, even if the modern interpretation of that word has become nebulous enough to allow general understanding of what you mean by a lot of people.

The reason I say this is the complexity of evolution of alchemical thought in the West. I studied this stuff from as early as 1999, and yet I didn’t get to know what some of the earliest texts said about the subject until very very recently.

As a matter of fact, one of the very first authors in the West to speak of alchemy was Zosimus of Panopolis, and much of his writings are lost or only partially translated. What he spoke of in On the Letter Omega, even many modern scholars of alchemy wouldn’t have a clue about. He spoke about the knowledge of the art of transmutation and the elixirs being communicated to men by what at the time were described as the Biblical fallen angels / Watchers. He even cautions about improper religious or spiritual approaches to working with these “daemones” (spirits) in the process of alchemy, in the fragments I’ve seen of the text. So basically early alchemy finds its roots in the early tradition of humans consorting with non human intelligences, a somewhat dangerous practice that started gaining popularity again in modern times with the occult revival and the new age / ufo movement.

These early texts of Zosimus then led to later authors who “Christianised” the whole set of ideas developed around them. Yet Zosimus when attacking his opponents at the time claimed that his rivals were, like the common people, subject to Fate due to being deprived of divine consciousness. He was essentially stating that “true philosophers” must of necessity sharing in this higher consciousness or their opinions weren’t worth the paper they were printed on. And so you can see why his opinions would be attractive to early Gnostic Christianity and those who sought to obtain divine grace, and these ideas worked their way into early European alchemy. This developed into the whole idea of “Ora et labora”, the Benedictine Rule, which made its way into a number of Latin alchemical texts, because the original underlying idea was that you needed to have direct experience of these non physical realms in order to have a true revelation.

In contrast to these ideas, most popular ideas of alchemy are about a general wishy washy concept of transformation, an idea popularized by Jung, which has absolutely nothing to do with what alchemy was originally about, maybe with some random stuff about transmuting lead into gold and the philosopher’s stone thrown in. At best it is usually seen as a superstitious precursor to chemistry, when in reality it was about obtaining an “unfair advantage” through direct interaction with the higher realms, and obtaining the Donum Dei (Gift of God), ie spiritual sight and direct knowledge of the Creator outside of the construct.

I think what you’re proposing is probably somewhere in between the two concepts. But your ideas are something that can stand on their own without needing to refer back to that particular edifice of early times. I hope this doesn’t seem like hair splitting; I often like to weigh in on the topic of that particular ancient science as it has always been very dear to my heart.

[GoldenBird]

I really appreciate your posts here. In materialist “secularized” societies, the idea of non-physical forms of intelligence are so far out for most people that they’d rather belittle European alchemy as a superstitious precursor to modern chemistry than inquire into it more. I’ve found that Jung is basically the beginning of the modern New Age movement. Both Jung and Richard Wilhelm, for example, distorted the translation of the Secret of the Golden Flower. It helps a lot to study the Chinese and Indian perspectives, because even though they also suffer from many distortions and almost total loss of tradition as a result of Westernization and Colonization, they still offer clearer insights, which can be helpful to understand the Greek/European schools of thought.

[Adi]

We do a have a great deal of similarities in our interests.

Perhaps even our Spiritual pursuits are similar. I would love to have a private correspondence with you at some point since some of our understanding may overlap.

I have read some of your posts before and they are compelling reads.

[emperor_obewan]

Thanks, and that’s a good point about Jung and Wilhelm. I don’t think it was even an intentional thing because Jung, for all the he exceeded Freud in his learning, was still looking at a lot of this material through the distorted lens of what was known of the human being and Chinese culture at the time.

I have recently been able to find some of those cross-cultural similarities between the Greek/European and Eastern schools. I actually think despite the loss of common knowledge of the origins of Western alchemy, its Christianization was actually a good thing, because with the synthesis of this earlier Graeco-Egyptian tradition with early (and largely Gnostic and rejected) Christianity came the inclusion of the idea of John’s Logos at the heart of it all, the “Word of God” hidden in the soul which Jesus secretly taught about which would lead a person to knowledge of the kingdom of heaven, and help them regain their freedom and original state (also known as the Shabd or Nada in India). This completely transformed what was originally an artifact of pre-Christian shamanic knowledge traditions into a more solid system no longer dependent on the older practices. It was the birthplace of the ideas that Fludd and others would later develop, and I think that without this impetus alchemy would have remained just another dead remnant of the events that occurred in what we tend to refer to as the cradle of civilization.

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign Any artbox idea for the New WANTED, perhaps?

[Plutus]

@SaintSovereign is there such a thing as pre-recon and pre-results for subs like New Rich and Stark: A Reality. I feel like I’ve noticed something like this lately and the results are out of the ordinary but related to these two subs.

Also getting crazy physical shifting results that I’ve never gotten on a washout which I believe is pre-results from New Wanted because the changes I’ve noticed in under a week we’re astonishing and I haven’t ran OG Wanted in almost 3 weeks as well.

[Judoka]

Also i know how sometimes we can see the subliminal results on other people,is there a way to make it so the subliminals dont give results to our enemies lol?

[Tomcat]

Not bad. Not bad at all.