Jouissance - 15s Microloops - Primal Seduction & Boosters (ROTNW/DivD/Primal Nights)

Journal to track Primal Seduction results.

Since ROTNW/DivD/Primal Nights would be things i run very occassionally on dates that I get from Primal Seduction, or long term partners i have sex with while running Primal Seduction, i will post those results here if I have anything to post about them.

Will only really be running those titles as microloops before dates.

If I microloop with WB ever, I’ll likely post on the WB thread as well as here.

As always, if you want to see my listening schedule, it’s in this thread.

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Screenshots I grabbed of PS when I did research on it before selecting it







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To make a long story short, I find that PS is about seducing through integrity, authenticity, and is formless/seamless to any style.

This is better for me than Khan/WB because those have styles they impose on you, meanwhile PS is more neutral - except for it being very “approach/active-focused” which is my style. I am cold approaching, going out on dates, going to shows/clubs/run-clubs/sporting stuff, ANYTHING i can do, I am meticulous about high-ROI social activity (aka where women are).

I also cold approach

I like that PS has some physical shifting but not as much as WB, it seems like the right amount for my goals

And I like that it seems all-in-one - it has what seems to me all the seduction benefits of WB, Khan, ROTNW, bedroom-enhancers, but highly targeted.

EVEN THE FACT THAT PS HAS MORE SEXUAL MANIFESTATION AND “CLOSE THE DEAL” scripting than WB

More manifestation of opportunity AND … AND… ANND!!!. … more scripting to actually close (have sex) that manifested opportunity? Gold mine.

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PS has probably been the title I’ve run the longest and in every stack I’ve had ,to keep that element consistent !

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Already did my first approach and got a number.

Who was it that said they don’t even think of what they say when they approach, they just walk up and say hi?

That’s literally all I did. Didn’t think about it at all. Didn’t even stay and talk.

“Hey I thought you were absolutely adorable, I have to get back to my friends but I wanted to come up and grab your number before I did.”

Girl is 10x hotter than the girls I normally approach too. She gave me IOI’s.

PS also made me confident wearing my hat backwards which I never do but that is what she saw me in and liked apparently, so it is for a reason,

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Also… I literally have posts I’ve made in dating coaching programs about how I’m always terrified or pussy and out of approaching blonde girls.

I normally have so many stories in my head. Either that they’re out of my league, or that they’re a basic bitch.

This girl was blonde, perfect, stereotypical, gorgeous, blue eyed, blonde, and I walked up to her without even remembering I had a story around it…

After I got her number I realized that even on KHAN, I never would have called approached her. But it was effortless, did it literally without thinking or hesitating.

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Wow. I’d figure Khan would work “better”. That’s pretty awesome PS was so effortless.

(All references to Khan are specifically ST2, which is the only stage i’ve ran while single.)

I thought long and hard about this because I had an immediate negative reaction to the idea of KHAN working better than primal seduction… I knew it was just different, but I didn’t know how.

Based on my experience here’s what I think of the two subs so far.

And ofc, my Khan experience is extensive enough that I’m 100% confident on everything I’m saying about it

I have only ran one loop of Primal Seduction… and only for 15 seconds… but the initial results were so pronounced that I can at least share my initial impression

So here it goes:

KHAN is all about dominance and self mastery, forcing you to be the best version of yourself. The moment I start running KHANI immediately have the urge to go for a three hour walk and do dozens of cold approaches. Or make unnecessary runs to the grocery store just to buy a gallon of milk just to find girls to approach along the way.

With KHAN I am constantly thinking about my goals… Sex or money or happiness through specific actions

And so the biggest advantage that KHAN has over primal seduction is that, for seduction, it has you thinking about ways to improve your seductiveness at all times. Usually by doing something bad ass. Being a bad ass is pretty seductive.

KHAN is a near 24/7 hit of confidence regarding women… Whether I’m alone in my room, out on the streets, or at the club, I’m filled to the Bram with confidence that I am attractive, sexual, and able to seduce. With that mindset, I naturally gravitate towards situations where women will be there. I want to conquer.

Primal seduction is totally different. I haven’t felt anything with it on a day-to-day basis, and yet, when I needed it in an interaction with a women, it activated perfectly. And I’m still figuring out what exactly abou t PS allowed me to approach literally the hottest girl I’ve ever approached in my life, and her texting me like crazy since I got her number… but ultimately it might come down to me just being hyper attuned to her attraction to me, and my lack of thought/anxiety about approaching her when i saw that.

If I were to compare the two subliminals, and say what each one does better, I might say this …

If you want an unbelievable sex life where you are just flooded with an abundance of high-quality women that you find extremely attractive and want to be extremely dominant towards… Run KHAN.

Women who aren’t ready to fully submit to you and who aren’t 100% aligned with you will fall by the wayside. KHAN is very polarizing, but that means that everybody that chooses to be in your circle does so because they’re absolutely obsessed with you. It is also the best sub to have the internal frame necessary to deal with multiple partners.

But if you want the ability to approach any woman of your choosing, and be less polarizing, so that you can be sure that you seduce anyone that you’re attracted to. Run primal seduction.

If you want lower quantity, and pretty much equal or slightly better quality, but with 10x less effort, run primal seduction

So far, it feels like primal seduction will give me a higher percentage of success, but won’t inspire me to talk to the same quantity of women that KHAN does.

I might approach 100 girls a month on KHAN, sleep with four or five of them per month, and be proud of how built my harem to be massive through effort and willpower.

On the other hand… On primal seduction, I might only sleep with one to two women per month, but I’ll probably get there from 10 approaches. And I’ll be proud at how deep and effortless the connections feel, and how as if by magic women that I click with perfectly just Appear in front of me and melt when I say hello.

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One other reason that I’m really grateful for primal seduction is that now I can go through all of the KHAN stages in order…

I didn’t want to go back to stage one because I didn’t want to lose the romance and seduction benefits of stage two…

But now that I have primal seduction, I can run stage one and get the healing benefits again, while maintaining the seduction benefits from primal seduction.

@Azriel was saying that total breakdown is improving his sales… Thanks to primal seduction being in the stack, I could test that out if I wanted to

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Appreciate that breakdown. Sounds like PS was less “RAH RAH In your face” than Khan lol.

I remember the old-ass version of PS, when I ran that randomly one day on the office, and a friend I hadn’t talked to in years drunk dialed me on messenger after fighting with her husband about something or the other. Started touching herself. Won’t go into detail lol (TMI).

New PS sounds like a Cthulhusend for you.

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I’m running it enough to clear some of my internal sticking points. So, between those major issues getting melted and some of my limiting doubts that are getting in the way of my other subs getting melted, things are sky-rocketing, and it feels easy and naturally motivating.

That was pretty much WB for me… I was considering PS after we talked the other day, but suddenly I found myself reading PR description and the words Authenticity and Connections kept appearing, Those are core values for me that Ive been developing thanks to WB and LB, so I decided to give it a go… It seems to fit best where Im at now.
I dont want an exclusive relationship, but I also dont want casual sex… I want to develop deep intimacy and connection with 2 or maybe 3 women and enjoy life.

If I had to summarize my experience with WB… I was at this bar with a woman and I told her “I always do what I want” and she replied “Yeah and people always give it to you”. Of course I smiled and said Yes.

WB has the “same” but focused on how to become more attractive as a person and made me reevaluate whos worthy of being in my life… who I give attention to.

Im gonna be following your journal, cause PS is a title I wanna give an opportunity to, in the near future.

00%? well thats reassuring :rofl:

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@Jouissance how do you reconcile these two?

Also @Joa23 the new avatat-rofl

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You quoted Jouissance, but I received a notification. I assume you are asking him

Sorry lol, I just cleaned it up

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:rofl: :rofl:

Khan has this IMO, but for chasing, opposed to being chased.

The “become attractive, manly, and a conquerer/seducer”

PS is just “become a seducer” with the lightest bit of “become attractive (in areas related to seduction like body language)

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Nice, will be curious to see how that stack goes (Khan + PS).

:joy: yeah, can relate.

I have decided to only run 15s loops of all seduction subs

to track progress in the whole category

For science

Will do this for a bit then return to larger loops & see how big the improvement in results is opposed to 15s

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